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Wolfedude

01-02-2004, 01:13

Was running hell Eldrich a few hundred times today and was bemoaning the fact that he wasn't dropping sh*t. Then lo & behold he drops a rare bow. I usually check everything like that out (sell em for gold to gamble with if nothing else) and I find this:
Diamond Bow
112-150 damage
VFAS 20IAS
+241% ED
+14 Maximum Damage
+38 AR
+7 Poison Damage over 3 seconds
2 open sockets !!!!!

Now I am not any kind of expert on bows but will it be possible to reach 8/2 with this bow? I mean easily, not with everything impossible to find in the game. It appears that the bow is either a 0 or -10 bow to start out with. Then it has inheirently 20 ias. If you add 2 shaels you have 40 more ias. Then it is pretty easy to have an additional 30 ias from sigons and another 20 from say Highlords amulet. That's 110 ias right there. Maybe you will need Goldwrap for additional ias but this is not too hard to achieve.

Am I wrong or is this a pretty damn good bow?

senji

01-02-2004, 01:21

the bow is not bad
but the problem is bowazons aren't very viable in hell

Slash

01-02-2004, 03:28

Not much value, becuase of how bad bowzons are in hell but it is a good wepon. Just cause no one will trade for it doesnt mean its crap. With that kind of speed, and still having flexible gear i say its a keeper.

Stimm

01-02-2004, 03:46

I keep seeing people say "bowazons suck in hell and blah blah " i quested my hybrid using strafe 98% of the time through almost all of hell solo w/o any trouble.

ventilator

01-02-2004, 04:15

I keep seeing people say "bowazons suck in hell and blah blah " i quested my hybrid using strafe 98% of the time through almost all of hell solo w/o any trouble.

Are you playing a different game than most of us? Sorry to come off like that, but my Strafezon using a Goldstrike could not kill Thorned Hulks in A3 Hell in a 4 player game because they were regenerating life faster than I could damage them. I repeat, I strafed 4 quivers of arrows on a pack of monsters unable to kill them. That's when I retired her.

Stimm

01-02-2004, 04:28

Her gear was 4/5 of Mavs set ( bow/belt/armor/gloves ) and used a might merc and like i said had no problems anywhere. It s no Goldstrike but then again even in 09 GS couldnt really cut it in hell

LuckyDwarf

01-02-2004, 05:03

Her gear was 4/5 of Mavs set ( bow/belt/armor/gloves ) and used a might merc and like i said had no problems anywhere. It s no Goldstrike but then again even in 09 GS couldnt really cut it in hell

Goldstrike Arch was a wonderful weapon in 1.09 if used correctly. With its massive damage to demons it was very viable in act 5 hell runs. My amazon couldn't kill well with 8 player cows with that bow, but in decent player games in act 5 she would shine. However, since it was 1.09 everyone and their dog had a Windforce, so.. all other bows weren't as good... but some were still very nice. For instance, Witchwild String was a GREAT cowing bow.

Lucky

jsiv

01-02-2004, 05:16

Agreed, I got my 09 Goldstriker to 99 and she killed great anywhere in the game. The Chaos Sanctuary was a joke with all the undead and demons that are there. Not to meantion boss kills. Guided bug + huge demon damage (I used LoH as well for insane damage to demons).

Even 8 player cows was not a problem - and I DID do a lot of those on the way :p

ventilator

01-02-2004, 05:17

Her gear was 4/5 of Mavs set ( bow/belt/armor/gloves ) and used a might merc and like i said had no problems anywhere. It s no Goldstrike but then again even in 09 GS couldnt really cut it in hell

I can see what you mean, but please consider the difference in monster regeneration when soloing and when playing with more people in a game. The difference is quite amazing. Then again, I had no psn damage on her, which could be an option to pmh. If I find the time, I might build another strafezon or maybe a magezon, just for the fun of it.

Stimm

01-02-2004, 05:18

Goldstrike Arch was a wonderful weapon in 1.09 if used correctly. With its massive damage to demons it was very viable in act 5 hell runs. My amazon couldn't kill well with 8 player cows with that bow, but in decent player games in act 5 she would shine. However, since it was 1.09 everyone and their dog had a Windforce, so.. all other bows weren't as good... but some were still very nice. For instance, Witchwild String was a GREAT cowing bow.

Lucky
I blame my old age for forgetting what a great questing bow GS was , i should have remembered i quested many a zon using GS from 42 till mid 70s

Mcsaladshaker

01-02-2004, 06:12

meh I seem to be the only one that wasn't in love with goldstrike in 1.09

PhatTrumpet

01-02-2004, 07:01

Back on topic.. that bow is nice, but not nearly as good as an upgraded WWS.

Slash

01-02-2004, 08:32

senji

01-02-2004, 09:46

upgraded wws is probably the best way to go with bowazons unless you can find something better and more damaging

Wolfedude

01-02-2004, 21:50

nebby

03-02-2004, 05:19

I am willing to believe that the WWS may be better upgraded but I just don't think that it will compare damage wise with the rare one. I also don't believe that it will compare with the rare speedwise because of the inheirent 20% ias.

Err, uhh, 112-150 damage? Even if you were at 8/2, thats just gonna not cut it with a lot of hi HP monsters in multiplayer hell games, unless you can back it up with a lot of charm damage. Although, it is really fun to be an arrow-hose in some areas of the game, even if you are stuck in NM. Its all about the fun, no?

senji

03-02-2004, 05:28

there are only a few bows that a viable in hell with mutiple players

eagle horn
windforce
botd bow
and wws upgraded to diamond its got deadly strike and amplfy to make up for the low damage

unless you can find something like...
rare matriachal bow
400%+ ed
+ max damage
+max damage per level
30 ias
% to cast ampfly
2 sockets

all other bows are crap unless you got damage ias and amplify

if you think bowazons are still good in 1.10 try to solo dc on 8 player games

Stimm

03-02-2004, 07:25

"if you think bowazons are still good in 1.10 try to solo dc on 8 player games"....... is there a character build out there that could solo DC in a 8 player game?

@Ventilator when i said i solo'd , i should have added an asterix. The way i quest is i join a game and do what quests i can in that game, for example ill do andariel quest even if its closed then ill create a game and do it again for the quest. It just takes some patience but it can be done and you dont need wf/eagle/botd to do it

PhatTrumpet

03-02-2004, 08:06

if you think bowazons are still good in 1.10 try to solo dc on 8 player games
This is the most ludicrous statement I have ever seen. How many builds can actually solo DC in an 8-player game? How many builds are viable in 1.10 Hell? I think you'll find the answer to the latter question to be just a tad bit higher. Soloing DC in an 8-player game is in no way a measure of a character's effectiveness. DC was designed to be impossible to solo in an 8-player game. Try to think of pretty much the most popular low-budget PvM build of 1.10 right now... the Skellymancer. How many Skellymancers out there can even solo DC in a 1-player game? Not many. Does that mean the build sucks and is not good? Absolutely not. The simple fact that it's so popular as a low-budget build attests to the strength of the build itself rather than the gear used to make it work.

I hate bowazons in 1.10 just as much as most people, but your statement here was so ridiculous I couldn't hold back.

LuckyDwarf

04-02-2004, 01:13

Am i the only one who still has a wierd fetish for the kuku?...im sry i cant hold back my love for 1.09 or 1.10 chars with that bow in hell.

Kirsty, an Amazon Forum veteran and All-Things-Amazon-Guru, loved Kuko all through 1.09.. I doubt her mind has changed.

Lucky

senji

04-02-2004, 01:49

11k+ hammerdins with engima
botd barbs
cta botd zealots
cta botd ww druids
cta hoto engima bonenecros
cta blizzard sorceress with wf merc

if you hire act2 mercenaries let them use doom your build will be even more viable!

i can list more if you want to know

Naheet

04-02-2004, 02:29

senji

04-02-2004, 02:55

People who can solo 8 player DC with duped runes don't impress me.

who is trying to impress anyone? i know im not
i just listed some possible builds that is hell viable and can solo dc in 8 player games

you play it your way
they play it their way
simple

i've seen enough of the dupe rune vs legit rune threads

hope this will not turn to one

Spero

04-02-2004, 03:05

but alot more uniqe...and sice i dont know what a WWS even looks like i think its safe to say that it suxorz...majorly

Am i the only one who still has a wierd fetish for the kuku?...im sry i cant hold back my love for 1.09 or 1.10 chars with that bow in hell.
Never tried it in 1.10, but in 1.09 solo Hell cows went down pretty easy with Kuko. I love the Kuko as well.

It's a little like the burrito, though - just too common to be really sexy.

Hehe, though I always loved the newb cannon as well. :D

I hate to complain, but bowzons and melee` barbs were my two favorite characters - why Blizz, oh why? Necros are such a bore IMO.

belth

04-02-2004, 03:29

People who can solo 8 player DC with duped runes don't impress me.

Any fast attacking melee that has max resists (75 should do), enough PDR%, Dracul's and OW from somewhere should be able to solo DC in /players 8...

venumb

04-02-2004, 10:48

if you think bowazons are still good in 1.10 try to solo dc on 8 player games

I sure do. Message me on hc uswest and we'll do a hell baalrun together. Unpartied so we don't share any skills/auras. Then we can post who did the majority of the killing in a new thread.

*venumb

usually on in the mornings. 7:00 am pac - 11:00 am pac

Mrmorphling

04-02-2004, 14:29

there are only a few bows that a viable in hell with mutiple players

eagle horn
windforce
botd bow
and wws upgraded to diamond its got deadly strike and amplfy to make up for the low damage

May i add MAv bow, used with the full set? Its dmg is not awesome but it is rather easy to reach 8/2 and the full set provides a lot of res; my hc ladder zon really enjoy the shining set, surely more than eagle and about on par with wf .

Bearcub

04-02-2004, 15:01

Well the best bow is the upgraded newb cannon. We quest with a guy using one and he has no problem killing in hell.

venumb

04-02-2004, 15:24

Well the best bow is the upgraded newb cannon. We quest with a guy using one and he has no problem killing in hell.

To be able to compete with other powerhouse classes as a bowazon, you need to be able to produce the amp curse often. Upgraded buriza is too slow to do this effectively. Windforce at a decent speed combined with atmas scarab amutlet is by far the best damage a bowazon can produce. Multishot is the best skill to use to create this effect. Wisp projector and a might merc both add even more damage Wisp projector HoW seems to go perfect with a bowazon and rarely dies.

My zon does 4000 shown max damage with multishot. When critical strike (60%) kicks in it becomes 8000 max damage. When amp kicks in it becomes 8000 max damage. When critical strike and amp kick in it becomes 16,000 max damage. I went with magic arrow for a secondary attack. Which gives me the ability to kill everything in the game except some boss monsters that spawn magic immune/physical immune/ stone skin, and the physical immunity remains after the monster is amped. Now, tell me a bowazon can't compete with other class builds.

Shadoway

04-02-2004, 18:45

I would also go with Buriza. But I would not upgrade it. The really good part of Buriza is the +dmg per lvl, which cannot be upgraded. If you upgrade it, you need about 50 more str to use it. If you invest that 50 into dex, the overall damage would be better. If you haven't noticed already, even a bowzon can lack AR in hell, so that extra dex is even better.

As for the WF and multishot to trigger Amplified Damage thing, it is only good for a pure bowzon. When I build my zon, I just put 20 into Lightening Fury. Whenever the monster group is over 10, I just LF. I assure you, that is faster killing than ANY bow. When the moster group is less than 10, I would strafe, which is definitely better than multishot for a small group.

Back to the topic, that rare diamond bow is nowhere close to an upgraded WWS. So, just sell it for 35k gold.

venumb

05-02-2004, 09:39

As for the WF and multishot to trigger Amplified Damage thing, it is only good for a pure bowzon. When I build my zon, I just put 20 into Lightening Fury. Whenever the monster group is over 10, I just LF. I assure you, that is faster killing than ANY bow. When the moster group is less than 10, I would strafe, which is definitely better than multishot for a small group.

actually strafe would be better for packs as small as 1-3 monsters, but not 10. By the time you strafe a pack of ten monsters, you could have fired multishot twice. Even at 3/4 damage per shot, two multi's are better then 1 strafe.

As for LF, yah thats powerful.

Relativity

05-02-2004, 09:50

I thought awhile back that it was determined that Frozen Arrow was the best "triggering" bow skill. I think it had something to do with the splash effect FA has. Any body know about this?

-Relativity

senji

05-02-2004, 10:03

I sure do. Message me on hc uswest and we'll do a hell baalrun together. Unpartied so we don't share any skills/auras. Then we can post who did the majority of the killing in a new thread.

*venumb

usually on in the mornings. 7:00 am pac - 11:00 am pac

try your bowazon in a 8 player game full of hammerdins see who gets the most killing

i am talking 8 player games not 2 person baal runs

even if we did do a 2 player baal run i don't think a bowazon is gonna kill faster than a 9 k hammer 3k life hammerdin i would finish the run befor you can even get to the throne l... i am not boasting

venumb

05-02-2004, 10:03