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Yavanna
15-03-2004, 15:07
I looked in the Arreat Summit, and it doesn't say anything about HoZ having +2 to JAVELIN AND SPEAR SKILLS, like the one I found in SP does...

I have a screenie; I just need to get it hosted. I'll post the link when I do.
[v4]
15-03-2004, 19:09
If your looking for an host try http://www.imageshack.us/ or http://www.titansfan098.com/uploader/
They are really fast :D

Crazy HoZ though! =O
Yavanna
15-03-2004, 20:02
I have an account with FreePicHosting already. As long as I don't use it for avatars or sigs or anything (I'm still pyst with them over that), I can post the odd screenie with no trouble.
Ash Housewares
15-03-2004, 20:43
too bad it isn't bugged to be a zon specific shield
Rune
15-03-2004, 22:05
what relam do u play? and is it up for trade ? :D
Diabolico x64
15-03-2004, 22:33
It's on singleplayer. Was it created by the Jamella editor? I remember when I used Jamella in 1.09, there were a LOT of bugs in the items... this was one of them.
Rune
16-03-2004, 01:15
heh .. way poste singel player cheat here?
Ryshenron
16-03-2004, 01:48
i believe it was mentioned that it was FOUND, not made
Diabolico x64
16-03-2004, 03:09
i believe it was mentioned that it was FOUND, not made

Yea, I saw that, but the original poster might have said 'I found' instead of 'I made' or 'I traded for' to stop people from giving some bullsh*t about how hacks are bad, even when used on SP. I'm not saying he did that, but the reason I pointed out the bug in Jamella, is that it's exactly like he mentioned it, as far as I remember.
Yavanna
16-03-2004, 18:19
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421470400/0.jpg

Here's the screenie. It was found on a Baal run. This char has not been touched with Jamella since about two months before the shield was found. Before then, I can't answer for (it's actually my brother's char), but this shield wasn't a Jamella edit. It spawned with +2 to Javelin and Spear instead of Combat Skills.

Diabolico: She.
Diabolico x64
16-03-2004, 22:28
Oh alright, well sorry for the misconception, then. (Both of them.)
Zenkat
17-03-2004, 01:37
The def is lower than normal too it seems.

hoz def vary 422-507 on the gilded shield.
Boddah_khan
17-03-2004, 04:37
Could you do me a favor? Download ATMA from http://www.luminatrix.com/ATMA and all the data it gets from the shield? Would be helpful in figuring out why it's bugged like that...
tydon
17-03-2004, 05:46
Hoz def actually varies:
362-507

According to dii.net


So, it has 2 things wrong with it, one could just be a error on a site, the def.......
Diabolico x64
17-03-2004, 06:05
I think both of the sites' defenses are wrong... I calculated the defense of a Gilded Shield of 144 def. (the lowest according to the Arreat Summit), with 150% enhanced defense.

The lowest defense of a HoZ, by my own calculations, is 360.

Kinda weird that the "bugged" HoZ has the lowest defense possible on a HoZ.
bluhommie69
17-03-2004, 06:27
I think both of the sites' defenses are wrong... I calculated the defense of a Gilded Shield of 144 def. (the lowest according to the Arreat Summit), with 150% enhanced defense.

The lowest defense of a HoZ, by my own calculations, is 360.

Kinda weird that the "bugged" HoZ has the lowest defense possible on a HoZ.

Ya they prolly are
LordDrift
17-03-2004, 06:50
crazy, low def haha
Yavanna
17-03-2004, 23:12
I think both of the sites' defenses are wrong... I calculated the defense of a Gilded Shield of 144 def. (the lowest according to the Arreat Summit), with 150% enhanced defense.

The lowest defense of a HoZ, by my own calculations, is 360.

Kinda weird that the "bugged" HoZ has the lowest defense possible on a HoZ.I heard from elsewhere that a piece of armor with ED is supposed to automatically spawn with the best base defense possible. To me, that sounded ridiculous on its face... Does anyone else know anything about that?

Boddah: I'll try when I get home, if my internet connection is working today.
Diabolico x64
17-03-2004, 23:27
I heard from elsewhere that a piece of armor with ED is supposed to automatically spawn with the best base defense possible. To me, that sounded ridiculous on its face... Does anyone else know anything about that?


I haven't heard of that myself, but now that I think about it, it does make a lot of a sense.
Zenkat
18-03-2004, 05:18
I heard from elsewhere that a piece of armor with ED is supposed to automatically spawn with the best base defense possible. To me, that sounded ridiculous on its face... Does anyone else know anything about that?

Boddah: I'll try when I get home, if my internet connection is working today.

Yes, this is true. This is why armors with the same %ed always have the same defense rating. They actually spawn with max rating + 1. So the max def a gilded shield for a paladin should have is 168, and all Herald of Zakarum shields spawn with a base gilded shield defense of 169.

edit: This only applies to unique armor items i believe.
Yavanna
18-03-2004, 22:42
Complete story:

I was doing a Baal run on my brother's computer, which still has 1.09, with instructions to hand it back over as soon as Baal died. I left the loot for him to gather, but I could see there was a blue shield. I couldn't tell what kind it was from a brief once-over, except it had gold letters. For some reason, after picking up the loot, he quit the game without identifying the items, but then I left the room, so I don't know what he was doing. He'd just received Jamella 1.09 from a friend, and knowing him, there's a decent chance he was testing that. He emerged later with a floppy disc containing the char's files to put them on the other computer. I asked him about the shield; he said it was the Herald of Zakarum and showed it to me. The first thing I noticed was +2 to Javelin and Spear Skills. I assumed it was the shield Baal had dropped, and the weird bonus was a bug. I had no idea anything was wrong with the defense. But I've been thinking since then...
Diabolico x64
19-03-2004, 00:10
Toldya it was made in Jamella... :lol: :thumbsup:
Yavanna
22-03-2004, 18:56
Toldya it was made in Jamella... :lol: :thumbsup:
And if I'd only known earlier that he even had it, we could have avoided all this confusion. I'll just have to ask him...
Yavanna
23-03-2004, 14:32
I asked him about the HoZ, not accusing him of getting it from Jamella. He said it was from the Baal run.

A. He's telling the truth. Baal dropped a bugged HoZ that looks just like one from Jamella.

B. He's lying. He did get it from Jamella, knows I'm suspicious, and is trying to cover himself.

Option A seems unreal.
Option B involves him thinking I'm smarter than he usually does.
Which is more likely?
.EYRIS.ONE.
25-03-2004, 09:38
sounds like jamella but hey maybe baal did actually drop it ;) it could happen. seen those bugged horadric staffs ? -.-

peace.
jiansonz
25-03-2004, 16:51
Yes, this is true. This is why armors with the same %ed always have the same defense rating. They actually spawn with max rating + 1. So the max def a gilded shield for a paladin should have is 168, and all Herald of Zakarum shields spawn with a base gilded shield defense of 169.

edit: This only applies to unique armor items i believe.


I think it applies to all armor items. Drognan had a Holy (+100% defense) Grim Shield for sale. Max defense for a Grim Shield is 150. The one for sale had 301 defense. So I believe in the "max defense multiplied with % enhance defense, then add 1" formula.

The only time this is not valid, is when you upgrade items. Thatīs why Vampire Gaze and some other items can atually get lower defense when you upgrade them. The base defense gets randomized, just like for a non-magical armor. Thatīs probably a bug but who knows?