PvP Zons

[Rane-]

Can they compete anymore? Don't they just get killed in one hit?

[.EYRIS.ONE.]

i take it you mean bowazons? yes, they can compete :thumbsup: they can take on any char but the ones they have most problems with ( imo ) are smiters ( if they fast/use tele ) chargers ( nuff said ) and foh palas. all other chars are easy :lol:

peace.

[luuuucifer]

If you add a jav and shield and a secondary jav skill, they can take on un-godly chargers/zealers...

If you give yourself stacked resists + absorb, you can take on fohers.

However, they are hopeless against elemental druids/necros with engima.

Engima not allowed in CH? Well, I have no idea in that case, since no one in CH duels on ladder... arg.

[Rane-]

Yeh my bad I mean Bowazons. Don't they just die in one hit? Even with say 1k life, 50%dr and say slightly positive res in hell, don't they just get spat on by 40k Meteors? I haven't dueled since 1.09, but from what I see playing non-dueling games, I don't want to be the zon on the end of that Meteor/Fireball/Blizzard/Bone Spear/Hammer/FoH/etc...

Can they actually survive for more than 3 secs?

[Raijin]

My pvp bowzon (ladder east) does just fine, foh'ers aren't that much of a problem... chargers hurt and a good nec is impossible with their godly bone armor they just recast and can tank you for a long time. I have had mixed results against wind druids, if they are big on expoiting the minion bug then it can be tough, otherwise and can pretty much split with them. Good, fast, tele barbs can also be a problem sometimes (or any melee char with a doom weapon). Overall I think they do just fine. Just don't stand still long and be able to shoot fast. I have about 1.6k life with my cta and do 3.7k damage ga.

[Joe_smith]

Yeh my bad I mean Bowazons. Don't they just die in one hit? Even with say 1k life, 50%dr and say slightly positive res in hell, don't they just get spat on by 40k Meteors? I haven't dueled since 1.09, but from what I see playing non-dueling games, I don't want to be the zon on the end of that Meteor/Fireball/Blizzard/Bone Spear/Hammer/FoH/etc...

Can they actually survive for more than 3 secs?

are you used to tanking everything everyone throws at you? ..... hmm.... i wonder why. fb is easy to dodge manuelly and also can be dodged with yoru doge skill. if you keep on the move and if you have a lot of frw it's extremely difficulty for the fb sorc to hit you. while your gas track and can kill her in a few hits. blizzard can be beaten too although name lock blizz can cause some trouble even for a fast zon. bone spear is easy to dodoge like fb unless they use lame prison on you. and hammerdins are one of the easiest class for bow zons they just won't be able to hit u. foh can be beaten from off screen it will hurt if you dont' stack res though.

[luis19]

i duel alot with a bowazon and the only problems i have is when i get desynced by chargers or sometimes i get killed by minion stacking

otherwise, i can usually beat most chars. i have like -80 all resist, 15 or 40 dr (depending if i wear gaze or not).
i do about 7k max dmg ga with wf, 4k max with cruel ward
i have about 1.6-1.8k life depending on what rings i wear (with cta)

even with low resist, i can take about 2-3 fohs...if they can hit me
fb is easy to dodge, same with lighting

they r still very good for dueling if u have the rite stuff

[Joe_smith]

i duel alot with a bowazon and the only problems i have is when i get desynced by chargers or sometimes i get killed by minion stacking

otherwise, i can usually beat most chars. i have like -80 all resist, 15 or 40 dr (depending if i wear gaze or not).
i do about 7k max dmg ga with wf, 4k max with cruel ward
i have about 1.6-1.8k life depending on what rings i wear (with cta)

even with low resist, i can take about 2-3 fohs...if they can hit me
fb is easy to dodge, same with lighting

they r still very good for dueling if u have the rite stuff

ya i noticed a lot of 1.10 zons doing obecene ammounts of damage seem like over 1 k damage per shot even with full dr, and a fast moving zon for some reason desynches as badly as a charger. cant't ell where they are whatsoever. like they are walking through time portals one after another.

[boigoth]

...and a fast moving zon for some reason desynches as badly as a charger. cant't ell where they are whatsoever. like they are walking through time portals one after another.

Ahh, you hit upon the secret of my zon (besides the mass poision). Speed. I can even use that speed to outrun some boneprisions cast at me. I am pusing the 170% FRW right now, I wonder what I would get at 200%? Everything I wear is light, so no penalty in equipment.

[Phyrexial]

I have seen good zons do pretty well in duels, but I'll tell you right now that I have yet to meet one that can beat my bone necro consistently.

The classes I've seen kill zons the most are:
1) Necros
2) Wind Druids (minion stackers)
3) Charger/smiters

[Rane-]

Where the hell do you get 170% r/w from lol!

And no I'm not some noob used to tanking, I just figured that when you DO get hit, which occasionally you will, if you would be able to survive in 1.10 duels.
My general question is;
Do you need to use res + dr + vit or should you just screw it and go all out damage and ias?

if you don't mind could you post your gear setups?

[boigoth]

Where the hell do you get 170% r/w from lol!

Do you need to use res + dr + vit or should you just screw it and go all out damage and ias?

if you don't mind could you post your gear setups?

my gear for speed:
M'avina's Tenet (belt) – 20%
The Cat's Eye - 30%
Aldur's Advance boots – 40%
UMed Valkyrie Wing – 20%
Enigma Great Hauberk – 45%
The rest FRW is in charms.


And, usually one hit is doom for me.

My technique instead of damage is openwounds and poision, bleed them to death while I run.

[dumbpig]

hey godly zon build!!!!!! get 99 fcr and engima and wear forty 383 pdsc, ownage huhhh????? and o yea dont forget the um and shael mat bow. godlly huuuh?

gee what a strategy

[.EYRIS.ONE.]

of c use a sheild and titans on switch for melee if they get to close, just use jab. one point here.

only chars that can kill me are :

1) chargers/smiters ~ lag/desynch like no other
2) GOOD barbs ~ like above desynch.
3) high bone armor necros otherwise they arn't to hard. gotta keep running.
4) a GOOD fo sorc who knows how to tele.

peace.

ps: make sure you can at LEAST hit the 9fps breakpoint :scratch: you really shouldnt be wanting this low though :/ ur choice but speed is what you really need :thumbsup:

peace.

[Rane-]

EYERIS do you use dr n res n vit n stuff, u do u just go for dmg? If you ever get hit can you not die, recover and run away n leech back? Or do you just avoid getting hit?

[luis19]

rane u cant leech...not anything noticable in duels ne ways

this is how i play.

vs sorcs i can only take like 1 hit cause of my - resists. so i dont tank their hits, but i dont run away either. i run around them in like a circle while shooting them. they go down in like 3 hits or so. maybe more with fast block and a good es

necros- i can stand still and my passives will let me stay alive for usually more than enough time to kill the necro while we both spam our attacks. once i break bone armor, its usally a 1-2 hit kill. sometimes i can stand there shooting at each other for like 1 min, no joke.

barbs- i like dueling barbs the best. i can take about 5 ww's, unelss they got alot of psn or ow. i run in a cirlce and fire just as their ww is about to end. i win bout 75% of the time

pallys - unless i get desync, i will almost always win.

druids - almsot alwasy win. lose sometiems vs stack

basically im pretty even with most classes, but most of the time i win.
i always have on 15%dr (verdungos) and i sometimes switch into my gaze if im using wf.

it seems to me that one of my biggests advantages is that i know what im doing. alot of bad duelers in pubby. compared to toher zons, i usually have more life if we have near same dmg casu of cta and max/ar/life, or if we have near same life, i destroy them in dmg.

[StrikexForce]

Where the hell do you get 170% r/w from lol!


my barb has 260%+ r/w. and good barbs do very well vs zons

[MarkRenton]

rane u cant leech...not anything noticable in duels ne ways

this is how i play.

vs sorcs i can only take like 1 hit cause of my - resists. so i dont tank their hits, but i dont run away either. i run around them in like a circle while shooting them. they go down in like 3 hits or so. maybe more with fast block and a good es

necros- i can stand still and my passives will let me stay alive for usually more than enough time to kill the necro while we both spam our attacks. once i break bone armor, its usally a 1-2 hit kill. sometimes i can stand there shooting at each other for like 1 min, no joke.

barbs- i like dueling barbs the best. i can take about 5 ww's, unelss they got alot of psn or ow. i run in a cirlce and fire just as their ww is about to end. i win bout 75% of the time

pallys - unless i get desync, i will almost always win.

druids - almsot alwasy win. lose sometiems vs stack

basically im pretty even with most classes, but most of the time i win.
i always have on 15%dr (verdungos) and i sometimes switch into my gaze if im using wf.

it seems to me that one of my biggests advantages is that i know what im doing. alot of bad duelers in pubby. compared to toher zons, i usually have more life if we have near same dmg casu of cta and max/ar/life, or if we have near same life, i destroy them in dmg.

you probably havent duel some good necro. Stand still and tank necro? ....are u crazy? On top of that...your gear probably allow you to shot 8/9 fps. How the hell you can get them to blocklock? A good necro will have like at least 3.5k life or more...

[LLD-Vampire]

Mine has a fast attack and lots of run walk doing a 4.1k GA shes got this awesome rare mat bow and uses knockback everyone *****s but there just pissed about losing to a bowazon that doesnt sit inside town and attack 1 life poisoned people coming back in.

[luis19]

you probably havent duel some good necro. Stand still and tank necro? ....are u crazy? On top of that...your gear probably allow you to shot 8/9 fps. How the hell you can get them to blocklock? A good necro will have like at least 3.5k life or more...
actually i shoot 8 frame with wf and 7 frame with cruel ward

ive dueled some good necros with alot of life

i dont actually tank them....in as take a bunch of hits, but i can stand there long enough with evade to kill em.

for me its better just to shoot at a necro when we r on the same screen then running aroudn with 100 bs's following me and spears/teeth everywhere. if i stop im dead.
but if i just go head on, i usually win. 7k ga with wf rips bone armor easily.

[Weltkriegpally]

with a 10 frame amazon (pvm wf...needed to put pvp gear back on) and doing 6k max damage with it, I have managed to tear necs a big one many times. bone armor doesn't stand up long vs. a good crit hit and fighting a ranged battle gives you as big an advantage as the nec. your projectiles are much faster, even though you need to lay them in wait sometimes. oh yes, one more thing. Knockback is your best friend vs. casters, especially. It interrupts their spellcasting immensely. good luck!

--welt

[Clay.]

I noticed no one has mentioned hammerdins, with 75% block, dr, enough fhr, and fast cast rate. They (I) usually beat bowzons/javazons consistantly.

[Joe_smith]

I have seen good zons do pretty well in duels, but I'll tell you right now that I have yet to meet one that can beat my bone necro consistently.

The classes I've seen kill zons the most are:
1) Necros
2) Wind Druids (minion stackers)
3) Charger/smiters

you should edit that again i think 1) Necros (bone armor recast, clay golem minoin stack and slow,prison trapping, decreptify lame curse, skellies and revivides stacking, minion stacking bug + immunity bug, ibs bug, invisible spear bug.)

funny how necros like to stress how wind druids can minion stack when it's only one of the many features a necro can have at the same time that make them by far the cheapest class.

edit: oops i forgot to mention the infamous marrow walk bug and a less well known defense bug.

[Rane-]

So do you guys bother with 50% dr? It seems pretty clear now that res is pointless, so you should just go for vitality and dr? How do you guys manage to hit 8 fps with a wf, whilst going upwards of 4k GA's AND manage to have dr and 2k life? I'd really like to see some equipment setups if you don't mind. I'm curious to see Shaft vs 160/60 and Gore vs Travs. I've always used Travs as they can add up to 250 dmg, but thats extreme and even then is the cb/ow better for pvp? Does cb work for pvp i forget now...

[sbc84]

I noticed no one has mentioned hammerdins, with 75% block, dr, enough fhr, and fast cast rate. They (I) usually beat bowzons/javazons consistantly.

Unless you like to play with your food and practice tele/hammer vs a fast running/walking target, just put on a death cleaver or something and charge the zon.

[Clay.]

Unless you like to play with your food and practice tele/hammer vs a fast running/walking target, just put on a death cleaver or something and charge the zon.

Well I guess that explains why no one mentioned hammerdin. Consquently, it is much more fun to duel bowzons (7fps-8fps) with tele/hammer even though charge does give bowzons a lot of trouble.

[wastedat6:00??]

My level 89 zon on us east nl uses:

bow- 40-15'd wf or cruel ward bow of alacrity socketed with 2x 40-15's

helm- .08 gaze socketed with 40-15 or 120-45 bone visage

armor- 160-60 dusk shroud

amu- havoc collar (+2 ama skills, +54 life, +17 str, +19 dex, + res all)

ring 1- ravenfrost

ring 2- raven spiral (+148 ar, 7% ml/6% ll, +13 dex, +15 res all)

belt- verdungo's

gloves- gale grasp (+20% ias, +2 passive and magic skills, 3% ml/ll, kb)

boots- soul spur (+30% faster r/w, +19 str, +14 dex, cold res +28%, light res + 47%)


Using a hybrid zon with eth titans and an ss would probably be a better option in PvP, I'm just pure bow by personal preference. Also if you use wf, try and get 8 fpa for effeciency; 7 fpa with cruel ward is somewhat difficult to achieve ( you need +200% ias for 7 fpa). Rare mat bows or a cruel mat of evisceration would really be the best choice, but they're hard to come by on east.

Anyways as far as bowazon viability in pvp, it's one of the best chars imo if your equipment is decent. If you invest heavily in dodge/avoid/evade, dr isn't much to worry about, 15 seems to be plenty as long as your base life gets to 1k plus. CTA helps out a bit in that reguard. As far as other chars go, the only ones that give me a real problem are good necros and quick/accurate barbs w/ nigma and high life. Ele druids w/ minions aren't difficult; spam guided at them w/ a 4k multi-shot and they won't last long at all. The only pallys that represent a real threat are charge/zealers with botd and extremely good foh pallys. Also any good char w/ doom is very difficult to beat since you're frozen, ravenfrost or not. Some bowas have trouble with trapsins, just as a suggestion I'd use sc's with +5 res all to get your res up to at least 60 (either 5 res/20 life sc's or 5res/5rw sc's). Light and cold are the only res you really need to have in pvp most of the time, since any good fb sorc has a one-hit kill despite fire rs or sorb. Having some res lets you tank a few traps or orbs while most trapsins and sorcs die in a few ga's. fhr helps alot too. r/w speed is somewhat important but +50% is probably enough. Rest of the inv is 3-20-20 sc's (15-20 of them). Skill gcs for a bow ama are nearly useless cause they add less damage than an sc and you'll have plenty of skill pts to cover the passives. Personally I don't use valk at all and only put 5 base pts in multi, ends up being 8-10 (allows you to spam it for less mana, if you have good enough aim there's no need for more arrows anyways).

Zons are a good match vs. any char, good equips are kinda expensive though. Unfortunately, to be perfectly honest it's almost immpossible to make a very competitive pvp bowazon without top of the line gear :(

So good luck if you make or have a pvp zon. Hope this helps, and remeber a javazon or hybrid is just as powerful if you choose to go that route, there's alot of good threads around for a good java or hybrid zon. peace all.

[Mooker899]

A good PvP dexazon now days can reach 7.2 k per arrow w/o poison.
My friend's zon does 6.5 k per arrow and has 1250 life w/o bo, and with bo I reach about 2,050 life!
So he's got a good mix of vitality and dex. He's not done yet though he hopes to reach lvl 90 for a bit more dmg.
With poison he does 7.2 k or soemthing close to that.
I must say very rarely does he lose duels, one of the most recent to beat him was QQ-Shadow (Kodachi) :surprise: .

Also for those who said Foh Pally's are hard, based on my own experiences before they can get a direct hit on me (because of dodge, evade etc.) I can kill them first. Also I have found blizz sorces to be very easy for some reason. I guess my passive skills have helped alot.

Oh and Rane I can easily survive more than 3 seconds ;). Also I dont rely on resist at all, my dodge and avoid saves me, by the time most players hit me they have already been brought to 1 more shot and their dead. You have been very misinformed yes G/a got nerfed but we are a force to be reckoned with. I must say the one player who can win 90% of the duels if they have revive is a Necro surrounding themselves with Immune to Physical monsters, which is a cheap method anyway. Of couse some zealot/chargers and smiters can lay some hits on but if I get distance I can take them too. All comments on WW abrbs being hard are accurate a good barb vs. a good zon, the majority of the duel the Barb WILL win. They can tank, lay some dmg on, and repeat.

-Mook

[luis19]

if u can afford the top gear for a zon and know how to play with a zon, you should do well vs every class.
windys, very good necros, and ww barbs will pose the biggest threat, but even then you still will be able to beat them, but you will lose more if they know what they are doing.

chargers arent much of a prob for 2 reasons:
1) titans/ss = 75% block 50%dr with verdungos
2) most have bad resist so 1-3 lightingbolts will kill em (1 point lightingbolt is a well spent point). even with maxed resist, lightingbolt will still hurt bad.

the hardest melee pally to beat would be charge/smite with doom, still beatable but very hard.

[Weltkriegpally]

if u can afford the top gear for a zon and know how to play with a zon, you should do well vs every class.
windys, very good necros, and ww barbs will pose the biggest threat, but even then you still will be able to beat them, but you will lose more if they know what they are doing.

chargers arent much of a prob for 2 reasons:
1) titans/ss = 75% block 50%dr with verdungos
2) most have bad resist so 1-3 lightingbolts will kill em (1 point lightingbolt is a well spent point). even with maxed resist, lightingbolt will still hurt bad.

the hardest melee pally to beat would be charge/smite with doom, still beatable but very hard.

but a good pally will have 75 lightning resist most of the time, and better ones will have 85. If you are dueling most pallies, I would have to say your biggest threat is a well played v/t or liberator. They don't need doom to beat you, just charge and one of their other attacks. I can and have taken out zons with foh on my pally, but most of the time, I prefer good old charge. Its the one point wonder thats an answer for your bolt, and its fast. Who needs freeze? Vigor is better 90% of the time. with all this said, a good zon is still hard to beat, but its not because jav skills. Its because of a speed and range advantage. guided still hurts like a mother, but its the speed and range that makes it difficult. and if you don't believe me, I will happily duel on useast at any time.

--welt

[BadLikeMe]

How do you hit 7k GA, luis?

Im interested in makign a pvp bowazon aswell, so far for her i have verdungos, wf (i think it's clean), gaze, ss and titans for switch.

But im really not sure what else to use, how do you get your life so high? Do you have enough mana to shoot so many arrows? should i use ias armor or somethign else?

Thanks for your help.

[Phyrexial]

Perhaps I'm not facing the right zons, but my necro (1.6k life, 75% block, 4.7k spirit) has no problems with them. I'll lose every now and then, but its generally something along the lines of 9-10 me. Take into account that my necro is far from well equipped, there are much much better out there.

EDIT: Meh, this was a repost. Forgot I had posted in this thread already. :grrr:

[luis19]

i think its near impossible to reach 7k physical dmg with a all dex build for a zon using wf. most reach around 6.5k with a dex build.
my zon does 5.8k, its a dex/vit build.

weltkreighpally, even with 75 resist, 1 point in lighting bolt hurts. Im not sure but i think it works with critical/deadly. My bolt does around 3k with eth upped titans, so thats 6k lite dmg if i get a double dmg hit. thats aroudn 1k lite dmg after pvp penalty, it will take 250 life after 75% resist. With knockback and since it always hits, it can pose a problem if you try to charge.

[Weltkriegpally]

weltkreighpally, even with 75 resist, 1 point in lighting bolt hurts. Im not sure but i think it works with critical/deadly. My bolt does around 3k with eth upped titans, so thats 6k lite dmg if i get a double dmg hit. thats aroudn 1k lite dmg after pvp penalty, it will take 250 life after 75% resist. With knockback and since it always hits, it can pose a problem if you try to charge.
well, if its a smart pally, he isn't going to charge straight in. In general, I use a couple of short charges before I connect. It generally takes a while for the zon to re-aim and by that point, I have her in melee lock of some kind (smite for me). In my case, I need tgods to equip most of my high end gear (armor/weapon/shield), so even that 3k isn't going to hurt much (critical doesn't work with elemental) 3k/4=750 750x0.85=637.5 damage gone, or 112.5 damage done at pvp, subtract another 40 from that for the 20 absorb on the belt, and you can see why even I am not worried about it too much. My pally is what I would consider low end and he has 2279 life in standard setup. Kb is what hurts the most, but if I get close enough for you to be using bolt on me, then you are probably a goner anyways. It hasn't been different for me in a duel yet. Its the guided arrows I fear.

--welt

[Dimoak]

vs sorcs i can only take like 1 hit cause of my - resists. so i dont tank their hits, but i dont run away either. i run around them in like a circle while shooting them. they go down in like 3 hits or so. maybe more with fast block and a good es
I read that first line and stopped.

How is a build good if you have to rely on your opponents being idiots?

Any decent sorc won't even get on your screen and make you run through a wall of fireballs. They're also smart enough to lead a target, not namelock you when you're running circles.

[BadLikeMe]

that's why you don't simply run in circles, you run one direction then turn backwards, then run away then forward again then towards your opponent and keep changing directions so even with a lead they can't hit you.

[Mooker899]

How do you hit 7k GA, luis?

Im interested in makign a pvp bowazon aswell, so far for her i have verdungos, wf (i think it's clean), gaze, ss and titans for switch.

But im really not sure what else to use, how do you get your life so high? Do you have enough mana to shoot so many arrows? should i use ias armor or somethign else?

Thanks for your help.

Luis is right, physical dmg adding up to 7k is near impossible but not impossible. I think my physical adds up to around 6.2-6.5k depending on gear, and with poison I can reach into the 7.2k+ ,psn might not seem like much but combined with Gorerider's Open Wounds it can seriously help your dmg and quickness of the kill. When I first combined the psn and the gores I noticed ppl died after I was done shooting like 4 arrows.

I have a good mix of life and dex so I think even though my zon might not have the dmg as Uber Dexazons she can hang with them anyday.
Don't forgot the demon limb enchant to help with ar and dmg. :thumbsup:

The 160/60 and 120/45 are basically a must for a good amazon though they are not considered legit, to answer the life question I actually pumped my vitality to get it to a decent % then I use 3/20/20 sc's and BO.
All together I get 2.3k life or so, also mana is not an issue for me. Carry a couple mana pots for multi shot but when i use strictly g/a I usually run out of arrows before mana -lol- :lol: .
When using Multi I do admit my mana drains quickly. Your gear looks good except for Gaze, considering you said you wre PvP then you should use a 120/45 helm because leech does not work in PvP. Hope it works out.
-mook

[luis19]

I read that first line and stopped.

How is a build good if you have to rely on your opponents being idiots?

Any decent sorc won't even get on your screen and make you run through a wall of fireballs. They're also smart enough to lead a target, not namelock you when you're running circles.
fact is, most sorcs arent good.
most sorcs dont have much life nor a strong enough ES/TK combined with enough mana to take many hits from a strong zon.

even if its a 1 hit kill from fb and bliz, GA is guided, does alot of dmg, and when combined with kb, ow, cb, deadly/critical, most sorcs will go down in 1-3 hits.

with enough r/w and good passives, a zon should rarely get hit. if they sorc can aim better than you that keep trying to get close to where the GA's start homing to force the sorc to tele rather than shoot.

[BadLikeMe]

gaze = dr

GG.

[luis19]

gaze is just a bad helm all around, 20-25dr (perfect/.8) doesnt cut the lack of any other good mods imo for pvp.
id rather use a shako.

the best helms all around for a pvp zon would be a 120-45 or a coa with 2x40/15. There r also some good circlets and tiaras u could get but those are hard to come by.

[Dimoak]

Ya gaze sucks. I just laugh when I see zons with wf/gaze/shaft in duel games.

Luis, since you're the zon pro, what would you do if the sorc stayed off your screen and spammed fballs, where you couldn't see from the start which direction they were going?

[luis19]

there r 2 things:

1) put on coh, hotspurs, and somethign with more reists like a ring or a helm (i have a 35 life, 45 ias, 40ish resist helm). This will let me take like 3-4 fb's depending on their dmg.

2) fb's range isnt far enough that i wont be able to tell where they are. I just run in that direction (not a in straight line or pattern). If they are the type that like to always stay offscreen i will pressure them with multis and shoot a few GA's here and there. If they are a bit more offensive, i should be able to get a namelock+GA, forcing the sorc to tele without shooting, thus allowing me to shoot more.

[ReVolution]

my barb has never been beaten by a zon with shield/axe setup in actual duel. Just use walk mode, tele on them and ww to death.

[Mooker899]

Since when is luis a zon pro :uhhuh:
Luis are you east non-ladder? I'd like to check out your zon?

Anyway sorces period can be beaten , luis is right for the most part but there are some sorces that are way to hard to kill. Including a sorc with max block and has a good def. boost from ice armors ,chlling, shiver etc.
I dueled a sorc yesterday with max block that used firebolt and after 4 hits I was dead, she didnt even bother running away teled in front of me blasted backed off. I changed my startegy and I realized my arrows hit like 1 of 10. I asked how, and duh max block helps! :surprise:

[FsF.Demon]

well most pvp bowazons r pansies who run out of town and into a corner and spam ga. usually they die in 1 hit so i would consider them not a good choice for a dueler. if you want a challenge and like zons try making a jabazon or making a elemental bowazon. not much dmg about 1k cold and 1.1k fire but it should be fun and a challenge.

[Mooker899]

well most pvp bowazons r pansies who run out of town and into a corner and spam ga. usually they die in 1 hit so i would consider them not a good choice for a dueler. if you want a challenge and like zons try making a jabazon or making a elemental bowazon. not much dmg about 1k cold and 1.1k fire but it should be fun and a challenge.

Must resist urge to flame- :grrr:

Notice you said most and those r the more inexperienced zons, though usually the most inexperienced try to tg and namelock not "run in corners."
If you consider them "not a good choice for a dueler" than thats your personal preference. Im willing to bet that a good zon could give you and your chars a run for your money. And I guarantee that you can't kill me in one hit.

[luis19]

Most zon's in pubbys lack gear/experience/skill.
Just like orb sorc's, bowazons get bad reps from people trying to duel with ill-prepared characters (i.e. mf orb sorcs in dueling games)

An elemental bowazon is a complete waste in pvp, the skills require too much mana and do too little damage.

My zon is on NL east, acct is dirtydozen131 and my character's name is UglyBama.
Just hit me up and i can show u what i use and stuff or whatever.

[sunami]

So do you guys bother with 50% dr? It seems pretty clear now that res is pointless, so you should just go for vitality and dr? How do you guys manage to hit 8 fps with a wf, whilst going upwards of 4k GA's AND manage to have dr and 2k life? I'd really like to see some equipment setups if you don't mind. I'm curious to see Shaft vs 160/60 and Gore vs Travs. I've always used Travs as they can add up to 250 dmg, but thats extreme and even then is the cb/ow better for pvp? Does cb work for pvp i forget now...
Do you mean vitality and dex?
This is my set up, expencive but worth it, she does real well

Coa-13 dr, 30 resist, 2x40/15 ias
Full plate of whale (heavy :() 4x40/15 ias, 100 life
Shaeled wf
Cats
Verdung-15 dr, 31 vita
Dracs-11 str
Dire greaves-30frw,20 fhr, mucho resists
Raven and rune master
Cta and lidless on switch
Charms: 10x5 frw/5 resist,12x5/3/20,6x5fhr/resist, for pubs 11x290, anni-18/20, I switch these up as needed

maxed ga, cs, d/a/e- 14/14/20

Stats w/o gear—w gear:
Str—122---176
Dex—140—221
Vit—238—287
Life w bo—up to 2006 depending on charms
Maxed resists
28%dr (plenty)
90% fhr (very important)
170 frw
ga dam—6880
8 fps attack

I do put on an OW set up sometimes—40/15 crow caw, umed wf, 9fps attack, can be quite effective and 7 fps set up w cruel ward of al…2x 40/15 ias, 120/45 helm, nos and 20 ias gloves (200ias).
Good Enigma necros and barbs are a problem as can ww sins be, but they are usually a problem to most.

[dkay]

hey luis for a dex/vita build how exactly is the stats distributed?

[Dawns_requiem]

thx for the help you guys

[luuuucifer]

wow. a blast from the past.

[RainofChaos220]

Zon's GA pierce may be gone, but one of the funniest tricks is still there.. have lacerator on switch and switch it to when you shot a few arrows. Now Lacerator's chance to cast amp will apply to all arrows still in the air and 33% chance is much better than atma's 5% and amped character with 50% DR actually takes triple damage, not double because amp strips 100% dr, not doubles the damage.

[luis19]

Yeah thats basically the only way a good bowazon will ever beat a good ww barb, if somehow they can get a hit with lacerator with low AR vs a 15kish def, max block tele barb. It does happen though and when it does, if the barb gets hit a few times its over.

[RainofChaos220]

What are you talking about? GA doesn't need AR and you don't need to melee someone with lacerator when using zon. As I said, shoot GA's, switch to lacerator before they connect, now game thinks you've been using lacerator the entire time and will apply chance to amp to flying arrows.

[luis19]

I thought it worked the same way as duel wield on a barb, the mods on the weapon only trigger if that weapon hits. Dunno with ga/lacerator, I've never tried it.

[Mehatesmaphack]

I thought it worked the same way as duel wield on a barb, the mods on the weapon only trigger if that weapon hits. Dunno with ga/lacerator, I've never tried it.

I've seen it in action so it does work.

[Mehatesmaphack]

Do you mean vitality and dex?
This is my set up, expencive but worth it, she does real well

Coa-13 dr, 30 resist, 2x40/15 ias
Full plate of whale (heavy :() 4x40/15 ias, 100 life
Shaeled wf
Cats
Verdung-15 dr, 31 vita
Dracs-11 str
Dire greaves-30frw,20 fhr, mucho resists
Raven and rune master
Cta and lidless on switch
Charms: 10x5 frw/5 resist,12x5/3/20,6x5fhr/resist, for pubs 11x290, anni-18/20, I switch these up as needed

maxed ga, cs, d/a/e- 14/14/20

Stats w/o gear—w gear:
Str—122---176
Dex—140—221
Vit—238—287
Life w bo—up to 2006 depending on charms
Maxed resists
28%dr (plenty)
90% fhr (very important)
170 frw
ga dam—6880
8 fps attack

I do put on an OW set up sometimes—40/15 crow caw, umed wf, 9fps attack, can be quite effective and 7 fps set up w cruel ward of al…2x 40/15 ias, 120/45 helm, nos and 20 ias gloves (200ias).
Good Enigma necros and barbs are a problem as can ww sins be, but they are usually a problem to most.

That's a godly all around zon. Getting full res in hell with a zon while maintaining good damage,fhr,frw,ias,dr,life is very impressive, but how many people can afford one of those?

[Cantos]

Luis is right, physical dmg adding up to 7k is near impossible but not impossible.
-mook

Outrageous! (http://www.geocities.com/kaelle777/guided.html)

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

thats sucha glass cannon even the slightest breeze will kill it. lol
good luck with a zon that'll die to another in 1 hit :P

[DragonKnight_Aka]

I had a idea it was if a zon was about to get ww by a barb wouldn't standing and switching a ss help cuz that way u got 75% block and if u do get hit u will more likey live tho it with a ss on then switch back to bow after the barb done ww.


another idea is to time a barb's teleport cuz they can't teleport that fast unless it's a warcry barb. other then that u could time when he would teleport on u and when he dose just do a sharp turn to the rite or left then shoot when he ww and he done ww be on the run again ??


another idea is to do shoot and run against fireball and lighting sorcs so u avoid being in dodge or evade lock or w/e it is Lol fireball sorcs can't hit u if u just run around avoiding fireballs unless u run into dem :grrr:
What I seen is a lot of zons get stuck in lock when a fireball sorc shoots dem and they die and zons these days can beat alot more sorcs if lock didn't get to dem first

well thats my ideas ... don't like em don't do them :idea:

[Mehatesmaphack]

I had a idea it was if a zon was about to get ww by a barb wouldn't standing and switching a ss help cuz that way u got 75% block and if u do get hit u will more likey live tho it with a ss on then switch back to bow after the barb done ww.


another idea is to time a barb's teleport cuz they can't teleport that fast unless it's a warcry barb. other then that u could time when he would teleport on u and when he dose just do a sharp turn to the rite or left then shoot when he ww and he done ww be on the run again ??


another idea is to do shoot and run against fireball and lighting sorcs so u avoid being in dodge or evade lock or w/e it is Lol fireball sorcs can't hit u if u just run around avoiding fireballs unless u run into dem :grrr:
What I seen is a lot of zons get stuck in lock when a fireball sorc shoots dem and they die and zons these days can beat alot more sorcs if lock didn't get to dem first

well thats my ideas ... don't like em don't do them :idea:

All decent bowzons do those things. and it's not hard for a melee barb to be able to tele reasonably fast. just spider web or some fcr rings should be more than enough. But it is good trick to run around making sharp turns and make the barb get stuck in long whirls giving you time to land a few gas.