Do you think OW is BM?

[Buliarios]

I'm here to complain about open wounds in BvB.
I mean it's so patheticly stupid, even if you miss you your opponents life starts to drop.

I've dueled barbs who never hit me and I start to lose life for no reason... but then I remember OW, the only OW I get is from my gores. Now a little bit of OW isn't bad, but stacking up huge amounts of OW is BM.

And most Barbs I duel never even hit me...... but I still end up losing due to OW. It just make's me feel insuperier to them, which isn't even true cause they aren't even hitting me.

And without steelrends I can't use my eth steel carapace. So I can't switch to draculs or anything to match them either, with there OW.

I consider OW to be a big advantage for the user expscially when stacked, so whats your opinion BM or not?

[Los Sin Nombre]

I agree with you; little OW is fine, huge amounts is no-no.

If you want to fight lame with lame, make Malice (IthElEth), that's 100% OW. Tho you prolly need str from your weapon (have a feeling you have BotD) to wear your armor. You could switch armor as it seems high def doesn't help you against OW-lamers.

[Buliarios]

Yes I'm gonna have to switch to new weapon, and armor so I can do open wounds vs open wounds.

Currently I'm using a ebotd zerker axe.

So what I'm thinking is switching that to a, fury zerker, and use maybe eth valor and if I can spare the str I will use draculs.

This is only for OW lamers.

Say does CH have a restriction on OW?
I put my application in just a little while ago.

[Tridge]

I'm here to complain about open wounds in BvB.
I mean it's so patheticly stupid, even if you miss you your opponents life starts to drop.

I've dueled barbs who never hit me and I start to lose life for no reason... but then I remember OW, the only OW I get is from my gores. Now a little bit of OW isn't bad, but stacking up huge amounts of OW is BM.

And most Barbs I duel never even hit me...... but I still end up losing due to OW. It just make's me feel insuperier to them, which isn't even true cause they aren't even hitting me.

And without steelrends I can't use my eth steel carapace. So I can't switch to draculs or anything to match them either, with there OW.

I consider OW to be a big advantage for the user expscially when stacked, so whats your opinion BM or not?
open wounds? eh, i'd worry about 8-11k whirl used in conjunction with lifetap charges (wich i am prone to doing. i know its bm but :o ) more than i would about 1.5k(?) hp/8 seconds. so uh, no open wounds is not bm imo.

[sbc84]

I'm here to complain about open wounds in BvB.
I mean it's so patheticly stupid, even if you miss you your opponents life starts to drop.

I've dueled barbs who never hit me and I start to lose life for no reason... but then I remember OW, the only OW I get is from my gores. Now a little bit of OW isn't bad, but stacking up huge amounts of OW is BM.

And most Barbs I duel never even hit me...... but I still end up losing due to OW. It just make's me feel insuperier to them, which isn't even true cause they aren't even hitting me.

And without steelrends I can't use my eth steel carapace. So I can't switch to draculs or anything to match them either, with there OW.

I consider OW to be a big advantage for the user expscially when stacked, so whats your opinion BM or not?

How can you get open wound without being hit?

If you have bad connection, you should beg your opponent to use poison damage so that you can tell when you get hit. I know you don't like open wound. But you shouldn't say things that aren't true to make your case.

[Cloud_Walker]

You can be affected by open wounds without being hit. I'm not sure if it's a bug or if Blizzard intended it to be this way, but it happens.

I do not think OW is bad manners, however. If you lose a duel to someone who affected you with Open Wounds and NOTHING ELSE, that should tell you something. Might as well say he hit you and you died, and it's unfair and you feel inferior to him.

[sbc84]

You can be affected by open wounds without being hit. I'm not sure if it's a bug or if Blizzard intended it to be this way, but it happens.



This isn't true. Try to use malice with the lowest AR possible and a poison charm as marker. Duel or Test versus a really high defense target and post what you find here.

[Buliarios]

No OW does affect you without being hit, when you are hit you will hear the hitting noise. Also you would notice your health jump down a bit when your hit, but this is not the case my life just starts to go down as usual and then I end up dying.

I'm also not on a slow connection I'm on 512, and also you can even be affected by OW when you block. Me n a few friends have tested it many times, so OW can affect you even when your not hit and when you block.

[Buliarios]

open wounds? eh, i'd worry about 8-11k whirl used in conjunction with lifetap charges (wich i am prone to doing. i know its bm but :o ) more than i would about 1.5k(?) hp/8 seconds. so uh, no open wounds is not bm imo.

1.5k dmg is more then enough for 8 seconds seeing as it can't be resisted against, where as poison can.

[sbc84]

No OW does affect you without being hit, when you are hit you will hear the hitting noise. Also you would notice your health jump down a bit when your hit, but this is not the case my life just starts to go down as usual and then I end up dying.

I'm also not on a slow connection I'm on 512, and also you can even be affected by OW when you block. Me n a few friends have tested it many times, so OW can affect you even when your not hit and when you block.

What hitting sounds do you expect to hear when both are in Whirlwind and no elemental damages are used? Can you notice to see a jump in health if your open-wound opponent is doing less than 50 pvp/contact damage and you have over 5k life?

Btw, did you try the test on my previous post? and be honest about the results.

(I never tested this OW extensively. But I think I dueled my friends's barbs enough to know that OW only activates whenever I get hit)

[Buliarios]

No I havent done that test yet with the malice. But we have tested using fury, draculs and gores and thats a nice ammt of OW, and the results came out like this, you can be affected my OW even when you block and even when your not hit.

OW is an unfair advantage if its stacked up.

[sbc84]

No I havent done that test yet with the malice. But we have tested using fury, draculs and gores and thats a nice ammt of OW, and the results came out like this, you can be affected my OW even when you block and even when your not hit.

OW is an unfair advantage if its stacked up.

use a poison charm as marker to make sure because you may do next to nothing in physical damage.

[Buliarios]

He is doing 4k dmg per conc, so I think thats more then enough of a marker to know when I am hit.

But when a friend is on later we will put on a poison charm on for a marker.

[Soepgroente]

I think OW gets a PvP penalty of 0,5? Dunno it doesn't seem that unfair to me to use open wounds, you need to sacrifice other things to use it anyway. Though hit and run with open wounds might be a little annoying :p

[Dr4kan]

I'm here to complain about open wounds in BvB.
I mean it's so patheticly stupid, even if you miss you your opponents life starts to drop.

I've dueled barbs who never hit me and I start to lose life for no reason... but then I remember OW, the only OW I get is from my gores. Now a little bit of OW isn't bad, but stacking up huge amounts of OW is BM.

And most Barbs I duel never even hit me...... but I still end up losing due to OW. It just make's me feel insuperier to them, which isn't even true cause they aren't even hitting me.

And without steelrends I can't use my eth steel carapace. So I can't switch to draculs or anything to match them either, with there OW.

I consider OW to be a big advantage for the user expscially when stacked, so whats your opinion BM or not?

one of the easiest ways to get decent open wounds, is to use draculs grasp(some ll, str, good def, 25% chance of open wounds, really great bvb gloves imo) if u arent in need of dam reduce from verdungo/string, u can craft urself a nice ll belt, with up to 10% open wounds and 20 str 80+ life, 3% ll and fhr. really great mods, other sources of open wounds, is toothrow i believe, good for upgrading if ur on ladder some decent defense then and great for bvb, or even a boneflesh, these are all good sources of open wounds, tho i recommend and believe ur using an enigma armor, or a ed/str armor, so id go with draculs grasp and/or crafted blood belt.

[Malibu, CA]

OW is what makes ww assassins own.

[Soepgroente]

Lol it just hit me:

OWn :lol:

[Cloud_Walker]

This isn't true. Try to use malice with the lowest AR possible and a poison charm as marker. Duel or Test versus a really high defense target and post what you find here.

I don't know why you said to include a poison charm, but I will run a test.

The only reason I'm running a test is because they might have fixed this in 1.10. I know for a FACT that in 1.09 you could be affected by OW without being hit, and yes, as Bul said, while blocking also.

I will be honest about my results, and if we knew each other I would have taken that as an insult.

[Cloud_Walker]

The results are in!

It has been fixed. No longer can you be affected by OW without being hit.

[sbc84]

The results are in!

It has been fixed. No longer can you be affected by OW without being hit.

Thank you, cloud_walker for the test.

So let's not spread lies in order to make a case about things being BMed.

[Buliarios]

Ummmm..... No I wasn't lying, I was telling 100% truth, I start to lose life even when I block and even if I'm not hit, me and friends have tested it alot and my results have always turned out the same. So I am not lying, I've tested it with different friends and results = always the same.

Ok lets put it another way I was dueling a Barb with 12k Ar and about 14k def, and I have 20k ar 20k def, I can also get 25k with 2 angelic rings ok lets not forget health, I had 4k and he had about 3.5k, alright I'm using my typical gear and he is using his OW gear. He kills me and I never once recalled him hitting me once until, I was actually nearly dead.

I'm not lying and I know what I have done and haven't done.
Also this is on USWest realm.

[Cloud_Walker]

Will you be on Battle.net tonight? I can create a character on west and watch because I want to see this happen.

[Buliarios]

Yes more then likely will I be on, so do u want me to send u a pm when I go on and a friend is on who I can test with?

[Cloud_Walker]

Yes that would work, thanks.

[xtc_sazabi]

i do belive that massive open wounds is BM, but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. i usually use ebotd zerker, steel, gores, the most OW i get is like 10%. but this guy comes in with his fury dracs and gores, so i break out my fury just to compete. I do not usually use Massive open wounds unless the situation calls for it.

[Buliarios]

Yes I also agree, alot of OW is bm, I plan on making a fury zerker aswell just so I can compete aswell.

[Cloud_Walker]

By the way, here's my test so we can try to figure out what's going on:

2 level 99 Amazons
99 all skills (for high passives = less hits)
1 charm with all possible positive defense modifiers
1 armor with all possible positive defense modifiers
1 charm with 100% chance of Open Wounds

About 55k AR with regular attack, and about 36k defense. Don't worry about there not being much difference, it was hard to hit. Plus it's harder to hit the higher the level of your opponent (this also means that if you go to a high enough level, you will hit next to never even if you are the same level as your opponent, which is why I made them BOTH 99. I suppose the attacker could have been 80 or so, but the test went smoothly).

So for about 150-200 swings not once did I drain the health of the other character without landing a hit. I knew what to look for, because when I did land a hit, the health would drop only a small amount, but OW would drop it about 1/6. I never saw that happen despite many misses/dodges/blocks. Whenever I used to see OW activate without being hit (1.09), it was in situations very similar to this one.

Also, I don't know if you guys knew this, but when OW was in effect, it would drain the color from your armor (on character, not in inventory), and that never happened during the test even when landing a hit, so that has been fixed as well.

EDIT: Forgot to say, that 55k AR came from 1000 dex and slvl 99 Penetrate.

[jjashik]

Ummmm..... No I wasn't lying, I was telling 100% truth, I start to lose life even when I block and even if I'm not hit, me and friends have tested it alot and my results have always turned out the same. So I am not lying, I've tested it with different friends and results = always the same.

Ok lets put it another way I was dueling a Barb with 12k Ar and about 14k def, and I have 20k ar 20k def, I can also get 25k with 2 angelic rings ok lets not forget health, I had 4k and he had about 3.5k, alright I'm using my typical gear and he is using his OW gear. He kills me and I never once recalled him hitting me once until, I was actually nearly dead.

I'm not lying and I know what I have done and haven't done.
Also this is on USWest realm.

there is no way to loose life from OW without being hit. i have 3 OW barbs and a lot of my friends do as well. if ur not hit, u don't get affected by OW. if you have angelic ring and ammy, you can see if u get hit by checking your mana pool. if it goes up even by a little bit, u got hit. since leech is useless in pvp now, the mana going up is not from leech its from the xx% hit goes to mana from the angelic ring/s and ammy. if your nl sc then we can test this out, just pm me.