Which char is best against Bowazons

[awjl]

Just want to build a build that is best against 160/60 armour, 3 soc helm with 120/45, 40ed wf bowazons. really hate it when they stand so far and starts throwing guided and mutiple to whoever goes out of town.

Also, which has a further distance? bone spirit or guided arrows? spirits cant seem to touch the bowazons when they stand so far, but the guided arrows can kill necros in 1 shot. thanks.

[D1ce]

BS outranges GA, but BS travels much slower. As for taking out Zons, WW Asns work well if you can get to them. Enigma helps with that, but once you get them on the run, it's usually over.

[awjl]

in most cases i've seen, most of the time people cant get to them. they seem to have loaded many many arrows in their stash and keep throwing out guided. the moment u step out of town, it's a KO.

i believe WW asn needs to get close to tele right? if the zon keeps throwing GA, how does WW asns get close then??

[D1ce]

in most cases i've seen, most of the time people cant get to them. they seem to have loaded many many arrows in their stash and keep throwing out guided. the moment u step out of town, it's a KO.

i believe WW asn needs to get close to tele right? if the zon keeps throwing GA, how does WW asns get close then??

I'm actually advocating the use of Enigma. With Enigma, you'll be able to run MUCH faster assuming you use BoS, and some extra frw from eq. WIth that you can teleport in a random formation toward them, then run and df the rest of the way, keeping your shadow close by. then once you df, you can just claw the crap outta them as most zons will either a) run or b) stand there spamming, but most likely a. tried, signing off now. sorry if im incoherent.

[awjl]

thanks for the reply.

[IsNOTShevlock]

Sorc at 8 fpc tele should do pretty well, if you're decent at tele.

[awjl]

okay, but it's like the chance to die is pretty high as the bowazon will spam GA isnt it?

[LLD-Vampire]

kicksin

work around them so there guideds don't chase then KABLAMOSOAFAFAASA dflight ftalon lamebowawithbuggeddupeditems was slain by godlykicksin!

[awjl]

hmm.... that means use a dflight + ww asn to counter a bowazon. thanks...

[Fearoth]

Telezerker or ww barb OR as always max Holyfreeze charger (switch to walk when charging that way u still keep 75% block)

[awjl]

hmmm..... i dont have any of these builds.
1) ww asn
2) dflight asn
3) telezerker
4) ww barb
5) holyfreeze charger...

[Cloud_Walker]

Sorc w/ tele/orb/maybe ts. In 1.09 I had one of these, it was my zonkiller. Max block with fast block rate, and a fast tele. In 1.10, hehe, I haven't made one of these, but we all know GA no longer pierces, and orb has a synergy :) :)

EDIT: Also, a GA zon yourself, if you're good with them.

[Phyrexial]

Necros dying in 1 hit? I'm gone from high level dueling for 1 week and necros are losing to zons? In my opinion they must be some poorly built/weak necros.

I haven't met a single zon that I couldn't beat consistently. Between my bone armor, 75% block, and bone wall spammage, they aren't in a favorable situation. I throw around some bone walls to attract their guideds which leaves them with two options: Get closer to namelock or switch to multi. If they get closer, I decrep them then throw some Bonespirits/spears their way before teleing away to break namelock. If they switch to multi, they won't do enough damage to go toe to toe with me and they'll die sooner or later exchanging multi hits for BS hits.

This is only against the very rare, very powerful zons. Most zons I can simply teleport next to and load them full of Spears as they get dodge locked to death. Most zons will not be able to trade blows with a well made necro.

Aside from necros, I've seen Wind Druids and Charge/smiters kill zons consistently. Wind Druids just need to keep their minions up and once they tele ontop of the zon is pretty much over. Charge/smiters just kill zons, even moreso with Doom.

[awjl]

okay, good. i can kills most bowazons too. But there are just some where their damage are really high. that's why i mentioned about 160ed/60ias armour, 120ed/45ias helm and a 40ed/15ias wf.

bone wall spammage... nice, next time i see a strong zon, i will try to use this. i've use it once before, and it takes 2-3 multiple to take it down.

[Herald of Doom]

okay, good. i can kills most bowazons too. But there are just some where their damage are really high. that's why i mentioned about 160ed/60ias armour, 120ed/45ias helm and a 40ed/15ias wf.

bone wall spammage... nice, next time i see a strong zon, i will try to use this. i've use it once before, and it takes 2-3 multiple to take it down.
If they use ed/ias armor+helm+Wf they will have poor res. Sorc should only cast any spell once with decent equip. Even my mf sorc (meteorb) can beat a normal PvP bowazon, so a very good sorc would beat a very good zon ^.^
Or a charge/smiter. Always walk, charge up, if it isnt a 1hit KO, smite smite. GG.

And the bonewall spamming is to distract GA's not multiples. If the zon multis, good, Bone armor should survive and you should get at least one hit with a spear. and a zon cant take many hits ;)

HoD

[Cloud Strife]

barbs without enigma typically wont win.. even witha lot of frw. For me, the worst part is the knockback. If their arrows didnt interupt your running, they'd be easier to take down.

so now im just gonna have to buy enigma >_<

[The_Sickness_101]

Necros dying in 1 hit? I'm gone from high level dueling for 1 week and necros are losing to zons? In my opinion they must be some poorly built/weak necros.

I haven't met a single zon that I couldn't beat consistently. Between my bone armor, 75% block, and bone wall spammage, they aren't in a favorable situation. I throw around some bone walls to attract their guideds which leaves them with two options: Get closer to namelock or switch to multi. If they get closer, I decrep them then throw some Bonespirits/spears their way before teleing away to break namelock. If they switch to multi, they won't do enough damage to go toe to toe with me and they'll die sooner or later exchanging multi hits for BS hits.

This is only against the very rare, very powerful zons. Most zons I can simply teleport next to and load them full of Spears as they get dodge locked to death. Most zons will not be able to trade blows with a well made necro.

Aside from necros, I've seen Wind Druids and Charge/smiters kill zons consistently. Wind Druids just need to keep their minions up and once they tele ontop of the zon is pretty much over. Charge/smiters just kill zons, even moreso with Doom.

Ladder or non, cuz 120-45, 160-60, wf, highlords and the critical strike moves hurt. Of course I didnt max block. I could always minion stack but wheres the challenge in that? :evil:

[Joe_smith]

Just want to build a build that is best against 160/60 armour, 3 soc helm with 120/45, 40ed wf bowazons. really hate it when they stand so far and starts throwing guided and mutiple to whoever goes out of town.

Also, which has a further distance? bone spirit or guided arrows? spirits cant seem to touch the bowazons when they stand so far, but the guided arrows can kill necros in 1 shot. thanks.

necros, melee pallies, barbs (if ur rich and good), windies, melee druids if u have enough fr or any char that can slow or tank some hits is good. generally a holy freeze charge smiter is their worst nightmare and necros of course.

[jren]

Just want to build a build that is best against 160/60 armour, 3 soc helm with 120/45, 40ed wf bowazons. really hate it when they stand so far and starts throwing guided and mutiple to whoever goes out of town.

Also, which has a further distance? bone spirit or guided arrows? spirits cant seem to touch the bowazons when they stand so far, but the guided arrows can kill necros in 1 shot. thanks.

holy freeze chargers, FOHers, wind druids w/ good block, are all Wicked vs bowazons! :lol:

[awjl]

thanks for all the replies.
But foh might not be that good too right? the dodge by a zon can prevent her from being strike by a lightning from heaven.

But from the way i see, looks like everyone is saying every type of build can easier kill a bowazons...

[LordDrift]

a bowzon with out absorb

pretty much any caster can take it

[awjl]

yes can take it, but the problem is whether can survive close enough to it her down...

[LordDrift]

thats what i meant

[Absolute-Fire]

yes can take it, but the problem is whether can survive close enough to it her down...
well.....any caster with full DR and full blocking will do it~~ my own sorc can take 11 hits from 6.5k pure phy damage GA~~not include blocked GA :innocent:

[Joe_smith]

well.....any caster with full DR and full blocking will do it~~ my own sorc can take 11 hits from 6.5k pure phy damage GA~~not include blocked GA :innocent:

lol don't bs so much james ur the one and only. i do think a skilled sorc can win though considering most zons are used to hexing and lack in skill. Haven't met a zon who can kill my 10 dr 30 block fb sorc more than half the time. and she usually dies in 1-2 shots from strong zons. The thing is pretty much all bow zons have bad res and die in 1 hit from high damage attacks like fb except maybe a few.

[[cK]Extreme]

I dont get this thread at all, bow zons suck.. my WW sin can beat them using nothing but blade fury. Thats right, toe to toe shootout with a bow zon and my sin wins everytime. Nothing to it....

[awjl]

well.....any caster with full DR and full blocking will do it~~ my own sorc can take 11 hits from 6.5k pure phy damage GA~~not include blocked GA :innocent:

something must be wrong with my char then. i cant survive 3 hits from the bowazons i've seen in my realm. with full block with a ss and 1k+ life. .. ... .... ..... ...... and most often i die without even seeing where the zon is located. but i must stress that not all bowazons can take me down. just that, till now i think i've seen 3 bowazons where i fail to understand why i keep dying and the rest of the pple in that pvp game. What's most annoying is that i dont even know where the zon is. Worst is when 2 bowazons stands together and spam GA, totally no chance.

[Joe_smith]

something must be wrong with my char then. i cant survive 3 hits from the bowazons i've seen in my realm. with full block with a ss and 1k+ life. .. ... .... ..... ...... and most often i die without even seeing where the zon is located. but i must stress that not all bowazons can take me down. just that, till now i think i've seen 3 bowazons where i fail to understand why i keep dying and the rest of the pple in that pvp game. What's most annoying is that i dont even know where the zon is. Worst is when 2 bowazons stands together and spam GA, totally no chance.

nah nothing wrong with urs it's just that his sorc is a crazy tank.

[Ghostmourne]

mmm i havnt seen to many zons killing off good barbs... last barb i made was a 2 hander ik barb and i still didnt die to many zons. im making a BOTD zerker barb now thats gonna have more life, be stronger, and be faster than my IK barb, so i expect to fix my weakness (which was only 3/4 tele run speed, new barb should have tele run speed)

specially with so many teleww barbs? enigmas the reason i dont consider most hammerdins threatening anymore

[Dr4kan]

a barb should kill a zon. we no longer have to worry as much about desynch,
so go make a 43-50% dr barb with max block, decent ww dam 2.5k+ is ok tho u might want more, if ur using a botd for example. u might even wanna use a doom zerker for slowing em down >_<
try get around 4k+ hp and around 150-170 r/w with items/gear +35-40% incr speed. this guy should be able to run up to a zon and kill her before dying(remember to zig zag to shake arrows of ur *** and get decent defense to avoid being hit too much by multis)
barbs have been killing zons since 1.09 and there they had uber poison and pierce, tho barbs had more damage yes, but most zons today jus seem not to run very good imo(slow and dont zig zag alot to avoid u predicting their run pattern) jus run a bit infront of em and ww or tele infront and ww. tho a zon with high open wounds, some 290s, high dex and all the ed/ias gear etc, might become a slight problem :s
ive met a few and they arent easy, u can hope for a fast tele zerk/ww, otherwise a good assassin or telebonenecro can do the trick

[Absolute-Fire]

something must be wrong with my char then. i cant survive 3 hits from the bowazons i've seen in my realm. with full block with a ss and 1k+ life. .. ... .... ..... ...... and most often i die without even seeing where the zon is located. but i must stress that not all bowazons can take me down. just that, till now i think i've seen 3 bowazons where i fail to understand why i keep dying and the rest of the pple in that pvp game. What's most annoying is that i dont even know where the zon is. Worst is when 2 bowazons stands together and spam GA, totally no chance.

hmm... i suggest that you have your titan and ss ready in the second set of wep and at least 34~4k poison damage.~~ jab those zon with titan and ss when they try to run off keep the name lock and switch to bow hunt them down. old but usful tatic. :idea:

[Absolute-Fire]

nah nothing wrong with urs it's just that his sorc is a crazy tank.

Btw...who is this? lol ~~ dont blame me :scared: i am new to this forums :innocent:

[.EYRIS.ONE.]

good chargers will rip good amas up. evenmoreso against bad amas :lol:

peace.

[Absolute-Fire]

nah nothing wrong with urs it's just that his sorc is a crazy tank.
lol chris is that you? :rant:

[sk8brdnick]

mmm i havnt seen to many zons killing off good barbs... last barb i made was a 2 hander ik barb and i still didnt die to many zons. im making a BOTD zerker barb now thats gonna have more life, be stronger, and be faster than my IK barb, so i expect to fix my weakness (which was only 3/4 tele run speed, new barb should have tele run speed)

specially with so many teleww barbs? enigmas the reason i dont consider most hammerdins threatening anymore

I don't much like zerk. Though the dmg is great, I found conc to be a much better choice. Conc cannot be interrupted which makes it much more effective. Zerk (nill defense) leaves you wide open so than any guided arrows, smites, zeals, fireballs, orbs, blizzards, traps, bone spirits/spears, jabs or whatever else may be thrown at you will stop your swing. Your block or hit recovery animations will trigger so frequently that you will have a great deal of trouble connecting. I mean give it a try, but you are much better off IMHO going with am 8 frame conc.

[dkay]

charge/zealers can get em done pretty quickly.. but ive seen some wwsins do fairly well too

[Joe_smith]

lol chris is that you? :rant:

yep. who else talks like me?

[Absolute-Fire]

yep. who else talks like me?
hahahaha i guess so :surprise:

[graycloud]

fohdin. main aura is vigor. with enough frw you can outrun arrows. if not, use vigor/charge to run around. its pretty fast. a couple foh and the zon is dropped.

for the zons that have resists and absorb, it gets a little harder, but not much.

[Raijin]

I don't get that many people are having much problems with bowzons but at the same time lets not overstate how weak they are. I have a bowzon pvp... I have never lost to a foh paladin, never lost to a cold sorc and easily win most other battles with other sorcs. I have lost to good/fast enigma barbs (never lost to an IK barb) and the occaisional ww sin but have won more than lost against those. Necs are simply overpowered against everyone and will lose consistantly to a good one and can go even with a mediorce one. I have beaten many wind druids except for the rare very maxed out one or those simply expoiting as many bugs as they can. Chargers... well lets not talk about them cause they simply own bowzons. I suppose I would do better if I was ungodly rich and had 160/60 ias armor, perfect COA/Verdungos/CTA and of course all near perfect charms....

[awjl]

i made a smitey pala to counter bowazons in my realms, works pretty well. Charge to them then change to smite. But 1 problem. Some zons can run faster than my charge!!! Totally surprise me.... i charge-lock with vigor from bloor to cold plains... cant touch the zon... really irritates me.