Which character is better overall for pvp?

[thesecondrei]

A liberator, or a ww baba? And why? I can't decide which character to make...:)

[Scorpzion]

A liberator, or a ww baba? And why? I can't decide which character to make...:)

Ok,

Liberator => hammer > Baba's + more

So, cant be that hard of a choice ^^

[xxme]

liberator is the best out of the 2. but the most popular duelers are bone spirit necros and wind druid as their damage is high, cant be negated and they are pretty good at taking dmg. but try the liberator guide on this site and you will have no problem killing barbs

[FromHell]

Wind druid is the best duel char

[Joe_smith]

A liberator, or a ww baba? And why? I can't decide which character to make...:)

necro obviously. so far i only died once with my friend's crappy 3.4k damage 2k life 0 fhr 10 fps necro. and that was when i tried to tank a barb and a windy sneaked on me. otherwise it was pretty much 1 on 7 clean sweeps each game, most pub necros are easy to beat. i just don't see how a tele necro can lose to anyone without lagging or taking uneccesary risks of dying . good necros can tele up and spear people or stun with teeth and spear lock or spam a spirit field and stun with teeth or spear. bad necros just tele tele tele stay away from all harm and spam spam spam simply cannot lose.

[sbc84]

necro obviously. so far i only died once with my friend's crappy 3.4k damage 2k life 0 fhr 10 fps necro. and that was when i tried to tank a barb and a windy sneaked on me. otherwise it was pretty much 1 on 7 clean sweeps each game, most pub necros are easy to beat. i just don't see how a tele necro can lose to anyone without lagging or taking uneccesary risks of dying . good necros can tele up and spear people or stun with teeth and spear lock or spam a spirit field and stun with teeth or spear. bad necros just tele tele tele stay away from all harm and spam spam spam simply cannot lose.

Do you have any crappy tele necro on uswest/ladder?

[sbc84]

Wind druid is the best duel char

I'd agree with you if you change this to "wind druid is the best char for killing noobs".

[daskidude]

Wind druid is the best duel char

my lvl 6? bonemancer (note NO enigma, maras, charms) killed a lvl 8X wind druid who had ENIGMA and teled on me. hehehe, i tanked his ***. that was ina kill me for soj game (he was the "me") so before i killed him he left...lol. then i owned some barbs

[IsNOTShevlock]

OK, get any crappy nec, and PM me... I'm on East/L/Sc...

or get any really good nec that you have and msg me anyway.

[daskidude]

who me? sorry but my guy is East/NL/SC but i have a crappy nec on ladder

*Feanox

[Joe_smith]

Do you have any crappy tele necro on uswest/ladder?

no i use my friend's on nl and i'm still very new to necros not even used to hot keys. i used to defend necros but now i experienced their cheapness first hand cant' say much other than "cheap!!!".

[FromHell]

my lvl 6? bonemancer (note NO enigma, maras, charms) killed a lvl 8X wind druid who had ENIGMA and teled on me.

look guys just coz you killd a noob that buy his items from ebay dosent make you or you char any good, druid is known to be the best pvp char for the pro players if a pro wind druid duels a pro necro wind druid will win most of the times plain simpel.

[-Infinite-]

my lvl 6? bonemancer (note NO enigma, maras, charms) killed a lvl 8X wind druid who had ENIGMA and teled on me.

look guys just coz you killd a noob that buy his items from ebay dosent make you or you char any good, druid is known to be the best pvp char for the pro players if a pro wind druid duels a pro necro wind druid will win most of the times plain simpel.

prove it...

[Joe_smith]

my lvl 6? bonemancer (note NO enigma, maras, charms) killed a lvl 8X wind druid who had ENIGMA and teled on me. hehehe, i tanked his ***. that was ina kill me for soj game (he was the "me") so before i killed him he left...lol. then i owned some barbs

some nice delusions you had too bad in the real game u can't hostile at level 6.

[sbc84]

no i use my friend's on nl and i'm still very new to necros not even used to hot keys. i used to defend necros but now i experienced their cheapness first hand cant' say much other than "cheap!!!".

Cheapness is relative. Necro or any "top" pvp class is only cheap if they pick on inferior build. In tele duels, necro vs hammerdin vs wind druids, there is nothing cheap about that.

And for those ignorant ppls who think tele necro, hammerdin, wind druids are easy to use, try the above matchups and see how easy they are.

[daskidude]

some nice delusions you had too bad in the real game u can't hostile at level 6.

it was 6? as in 60-something

[bloembak]

Back on-topic and off the high horses. The discussion about the 60ish bonemancer and the 8X winddruid ends here.

Carry on.

[luis19]

necros and windys arent all that tough, i own most with my bowazon. i go about 9/10 vs both chars.

they overpower melee chars pretty well, but vs range they arent that hard to beat.

overall, id say a liberator with the best equipment can take most chars, but they would prolly have trouble vs a defensive/smart necro casue the lack of a spammable ranged attack. vs ne melee they can use hammers, vs sorc they can just get max resist and some absorb then make hammer fields and try to get a name lock. vs zons they can just charge and desync them, vs windys they can just use hammers.

with the right stuff and skill, a liberator can prolly take most chars

[Matt]

There is no one "best" character, some are better than others, yes, that dagger sorc will not beat that bone necro, but any build CAN be counteracted with another build. Hammerdin? anything ranged with some skill should win this one, he RELIES on you being IN the hammers to kill you, Bone necro, A wind druid could have a good shot, again, another ranged character with more skill (or a guided attack) can outduel this one, its not too hard to avoid spears, and GA>spirit IMO.

barbs, bone necro/hammerdin

And the list goes on, there is no one best build.

-Matt

[daskidude]

necros and windys arent all that tough, i own most with my bowazon. i go about 9/10 vs both chars.

they overpower melee chars pretty well, but vs range they arent that hard to beat.

overall, id say a liberator with the best equipment can take most chars, but they would prolly have trouble vs a defensive/smart necro casue the lack of a spammable ranged attack. vs ne melee they can use hammers, vs sorc they can just get max resist and some absorb then make hammer fields and try to get a name lock. vs zons they can just charge and desync them, vs windys they can just use hammers.

with the right stuff and skill, a liberator can prolly take most chars

dont mind my n00bishness, but what is a liberator?

[Aerath]

dont mind my n00bishness, but what is a liberator?

here you go : http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=515

Appears to be down at the moment though...

Basically, from what I remember off-hand, it's a Charger/Hammerdin.

[daskidude]

here you go : http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=515

Appears to be down at the moment though...

Basically, from what I remember off-hand, it's a Charger/Hammerdin.

thanks
ten characters

[stevethatsmyname]

so you dont really need any duped enigmas or anything to make this liberator then, eh?....

neat idea for next HC ladder season :drool:

[dumbpig]

smart wwbarb > smart liberator

dumb wwbarb < any liberrator

smart wwbarb > dumb liberator

dumb wwbarb < dumb liberator

liberator = weak hammerdin

u need to use top secretful supar dupar dueling techniquezors.

(which of course are secret so i wont post them here)
:D

[Joe_smith]

smart wwbarb > smart liberator

dumb wwbarb < any liberrator

smart wwbarb > dumb liberator

dumb wwbarb < dumb liberator

liberator = weak hammerdin

u need to use top secretful supar dupar dueling techniquezors.

(which of course are secret so i wont post them here)
:D

that's some bad reasoning man. dumb wwbarb < dumb liberator belongs to the dumb wwbarb < any liberator catagory.

[fugitive alien2]

liberator = weak hammerdin

even with max charge a lib can still have 9k+ hammer. that's not exactly weak.

good lib can handle any char except smart bone nec (or smart pure hammerdin ><)

[sbc84]

Hey fugitive_alien2, people who think that barbs own everything in pvp shouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe they speak the truth from their own experiences of dueling too many noobs. There are a few of them here: dumbpig (or opposable thumbs), joe_smith and one or 2 others. Less than 50% of the posts on these forum are informative. The rest are just fun jokes, which are good btw since this is just a game.

[Joe_smith]

Hey fugitive_alien2, people who think that barbs own everything in pvp shouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe they speak the truth from their own experiences of dueling too many noobs. There are a few of them here: dumbpig (or opposable thumbs), joe_smith and one or 2 others. Less than 50% of the posts on these forum are informative. The rest are just fun jokes, which are good btw since this is just a game.

lol i dont' remember even joking about barbs> hammerdin or barbs > necros.

[sbc84]

lol i dont' remember even joking about barbs> hammerdin or barbs > necros.

My mistake. It was dumbpig who claimed that his barb/barbs can beat every char in the other thread. You were just quoting his claim without commenting (agree or disagree).

[bronzdragon5545]

hey where can i get a liberator guild. thx :creep:

[Joe_smith]

My mistake. It was dumbpig who claimed that his barb/barbs can beat every char in the other thread. You were just quoting his claim without commenting (agree or disagree).

and he probalby can. so far i've seen him beat good players from every class.

[dumbpig]

Hey fugitive_alien2, people who think that barbs own everything in pvp shouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe they speak the truth from their own experiences of dueling too many noobs. There are a few of them here: dumbpig (or opposable thumbs), joe_smith and one or 2 others. Less than 50% of the posts on these forum are informative. The rest are just fun jokes, which are good btw since this is just a game.

lol what realm you on? i'd like to see you beat some of the "noobs" you refer to....

[mrJ]

hey where can i get a liberator guild. thx :creep:I'll assume you meant "guide".

http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=515

[sbc84]

lol what realm you on? i'd like to see you beat some of the "noobs" you refer to....

I play uswest/ladder with tele hammerdin. I will duel any "godly" barb you have or find there. However, I do consider it's a waste of time toying with barbs. If you have a good have a good caster there, we can set up some duels on the weekends (*IMFZZZZZ).

[Joe_smith]

I play uswest/ladder with tele hammerdin. I will duel any "godly" barb you have or find there. However, I do consider it's a waste of time toying with barbs. If you have a good have a good caster there, we can set up some duels on the weekends (*IMFZZZZZ).

i'm sorry but ladder dueling is nothing compared to non ladder.

[fugitive alien2]

If you have a good have a good caster there, we can set up some duels on the weekends (*IMFZZZZZ).

i will look you up... on NL if ladder EVER ends O_o

[fugitive alien2]

i'm sorry but ladder dueling is nothing compared to non ladder.


that's another pointlessly inflamatory statement, sinister ^^

[dumbpig]

I play uswest/ladder with tele hammerdin. I will duel any "godly" barb you have or find there. However, I do consider it's a waste of time toying with barbs. If you have a good have a good caster there, we can set up some duels on the weekends (*IMFZZZZZ).

haw haw haw haw

likewise i find it a waste of time to toy with "tele" hammerdins using a barb... the pally might as well drop his gold and leave before losing face

:lol:

[Joe_smith]

that's another pointlessly inflamatory statement, sinister ^^

it's true, ladder people are much poorer compared to nl people and for gear intensive builds such as barbs ladder people just don't have the fine vitas to make a godly one with. also most experienced duelers duel on non lad for the larger dueler pool and so that they can use the gear they've gathered through out the patches. a lot of ladder people cough (like fenris) think that they are the best or their build is invincible just because there's only like 1 other dueler who can afford and is willing to make a half decently equiped char of the same class. with so few duelers and so little competition ladder duelers shouldn't be making pointless generalizations that non ladder duelers can't even be sure of.

[angl2k]

dunno if it has been mentioned, but my Smiter/charge/foh pally does well in duels. Smite can deal with melee, charge/foh for ranged/casters. The only 2 (experienced) characters that i cant beat are bone necro (walls/tele) and wind druid (tele/too hard to resist/absorb)

tactics are simple:
bowazon: charge and smite/fana
charged strike zon: charge and smite/salvation
trapsin: charge and smite/salvation, or FoH/salvation
wwsin: smite/fana or smite/holy freeze
barb: smite/fana or smite/holy freeze
shift druid: smite/fana
wind druid: foh/conviction (if he has no teleport)
necro: unfair duel:) but you can try charge/smite him before he can react (will result in charge bug 99%)
zealot: smite/fana
hammerdin: foh/conviction or charge when they move to lay hammer field
smiter: smite/fana or smite/holy freeze; outcome depends on skills/equip
fohdin: charge and smite/salvation
charger: smite/fana or smite/holy freeze
sorc: charge/salvation or foh/salvation

my pally is level 82 now and is fun to duel with.
only downside to my pally is the charge bug (cant move). this has killed me so many times :)

[Ghostmourne]

A liberator, or a ww baba? And why? I can't decide which character to make...:)

gogo ww baba

[sbc84]

haw haw haw haw

likewise i find it a waste of time to toy with "tele" hammerdins using a barb... the pally might as well drop his gold and leave before losing face

:lol:

For all of you, barbarian dreamers, if you guys have so much gears in non-ladder, let me borrow a hammerdin this coming Sunday. I only need the following gear: hoto, sandstorm Trek (for 75%poison res in hell), SS, enigma, and cta. 75%fcr, 75%blocking and 10K hammer damage will do.

We'll make it best of 7. If you win (4:3 or whatever), you get my ladder Tyrael's might or Perfect death fathom (which are some of the rarest items in the realm). If you get shutout by me (4:0), you pay me 1soj on ladder or I get to keep the hammerdin. If you just lose (but not 4:0), then you get a chance for rematch or just shutup.

After this match, I can assure you that you won't be crying about "barbs only lose to hammerdins because of invisible hammers".

EDIT: This is better than dueling for golds vs noobs as you indicated.

[sbc84]

To dumbpig: What are your barbs' account(s) (uswest right?)? and what time do you normally play on the weekends? I think I can borrow a hammerdin. If I can put together a few basic gears this or next weekends, I will message you.


Whether or not you accept my "one-sided" offer above, look at your own quote and answer this question for me:

haw haw haw haw

likewise i find it a waste of time to toy with "tele" hammerdins using a barb... the pally might as well drop his gold and leave before losing face

If you are so confident about the "superiority" of barbs over "tele" hammerdins, do you dare to make similar "one-sided" offer to prove it?

anyways, I will look for you this weekend once i get some basic gears to equip the paladin.

[Krazy_Solo]

Teleporting with any class other than sorcs is concidered bad mannor dueling in some private leagues... Taking Teleport away Barbs own pretty much any class except the occassional WF Zon...

Necros are too fragile to last long against a skilled barb... Don't get me wrong Hammerdins are good but they fall short when the Barb puts you into Hit Recovery... You can't cast when a barb dances all over you...

[Joe_smith]

For all of you, barbarian dreamers, if you guys have so much gears in non-ladder, let me borrow a hammerdin this coming Sunday. I only need the following gear: hoto, sandstorm Trek (for 75%poison res in hell), SS, enigma, and cta. 75%fcr, 75%blocking and 10K hammer damage will do.

We'll make it best of 7. If you win (4:3 or whatever), you get my ladder Tyrael's might or Perfect death fathom (which are some of the rarest items in the realm). If you get shutout by me (4:0), you pay me 1soj on ladder or I get to keep the hammerdin. If you just lose (but not 4:0), then you get a chance for rematch or just shutup.

After this match, I can assure you that you won't be crying about "barbs only lose to hammerdins because of invisible hammers".

EDIT: This is better than dueling for golds vs noobs as you indicated.

for all you godly ladder people espeically hammerdin dreamers. let me borrow a barb this weekend.all i need is the following gear: high ed ebotd zerker, godly rare + stats fhr 30 frw boots, ed ias ss and arreat, eth beast zereker, demon's limb, perf vita and regen verdungo, gores, perfect draculs, good stats anni, 39 3/xx/xx or mixed with ar/life and or 175pd/xx life, oh and highlords and 2 good ravens and 2 echoing weapons and enigma of course. we'll make it best out of 5. if i win i take all the donars' accounts if i lose you get to keep your barb's ears.

after this match, i can assure you that you won't be giving a damn whether barb beats hammerdin or hammerdin beats barb.

EDIT: This is better than getting your account hacked. j/k but seriously how can you expect anyone to trust u with all those godlies.

[sbc84]

for all you godly ladder people espeically hammerdin dreamers. let me borrow a barb this weekend.all i need is the following gear: high ed ebotd zerker, godly rare + stats fhr 30 frw boots, ed ias ss and arreat, eth beast zereker, demon's limb, perf vita and regen verdungo, gores, perfect draculs, good stats anni, 39 3/xx/xx or mixed with ar/life and or 175pd/xx life, oh and highlords and 2 good ravens and 2 echoing weapons and enigma of course. we'll make it best out of 5. if i win i take all the donars' accounts if i lose you get to keep your barb's ears.

after this match, i can assure you that you won't be giving a damn whether barb beats hammerdin or hammerdin beats barb.

EDIT: This is better than getting your account hacked. j/k but seriously how can you expect anyone to trust u with all those godlies.

Apparently, u didn't read the following post. I can get a hold of a crappy tele hammerdin. Now the question is, are you willing to put up an "one-sided" stake on his barb? or u don't trust his barb enough since he'd been dueling mostly tele-alot noobadin?

[fugitive alien2]

Don't get me wrong Hammerdins are good but they fall short when the Barb puts you into Hit Recovery... You can't cast when a barb dances all over you...


i don know any sane hammerdins that would tank a dod :cheesy:

[Joe_smith]

Apparently, u didn't read the following post. I can get a hold of a crappy tele hammerdin. Now the question is, are you willing to put up an "one-sided" stake on his barb? or u don't trust his barb enough since he'd been dueling mostly tele-alot noobadin?

he'll problaby win.

[Absolute-Fire]

even with max charge a lib can still have 9k+ hammer. that's not exactly weak.

good lib can handle any char except smart bone nec (or smart pure hammerdin ><)

well somehow you forget to mention about smart sorc~~ :thanks:

[Axurewrath]

The best dueler of all time is your everyday zealot (fanat/zeal) with a little bit of your own touch to him. Why you ask? Although they are quite expensive and require a lot of different types of gear to own about everything that is come across, youll be able to say "My paladin>majority" Everyone and their mother has a cookie cutter built caster runeworded out and can tg and nk and spam "pwntggkthxcry?" but for a cheap caster to be killed by a MELEE? "WHAT THE HELL?! H4XXORZ!" Thats the reaction i usually get. Its more of a sense of pride you get when you kill a cookie-cutter build with a real skill required build. Now im not saying this for all casters but characters such as blizz sorcs (1 hit kills 90% of time, usually tg) trappers (do nothing but tg) and hammerdins (tele, click, dead) are the cheap way out of PvP. My zealot, which i have a very distinctive and unique guideline which i make him by, can beat just about everyone but hammerdins and blizz sorcs, if theyre skill gc'd/runeworded out. ALL other kinds of builds i can either tank or absorb easily. Oh yeah, when i say cheap casters that discludes necromancers, because i for one think that it takes skill to duel with a necro if you dont bone prison, and doesnt deal over 10k dmg. I think i explained my opinion rather in depth, but all this is IMO.

.Axurewrath

[Monger]

My money's on the hammerdin...

You might want to use a libby/tele hammerdin to discourage him from using a two handed weapon but I'm sure that thought has crossed your mind already.

A good barb will kill most hammerdins since nearly all of their owners are horrible, but a good player should leave a barb a bloody mess.

[sbc84]

Hey dumbpig, what time do you or your barbs' friends normally play on the weekends? and what accounts? (just duel for fun if you want; all the high stakes I posted were just to see how sure you were about your claim).

Since I don't want to look for nl hammerdin's gears for nothing (and dueling barb with hammerdin is very close to nothing), is there any nl bone (or hybrid) necro who claims complete domination over hammerdin? if so, post your accounts here too; I will get to you when I'm done with the barbs.

[Absolute-Fire]

Hey dumbpig, what time do you or your barbs' friends normally play on the weekends? and what accounts? (just duel for fun if you want; all the high stakes I posted were just to see how sure you were about your claim).

Since I don't want to look for nl hammerdin's gears for nothing (and dueling barb with hammerdin is very close to nothing), is there any nl bone (or hybrid) necro who claims complete domination over hammerdin? if so, post your accounts here too; I will get to you when I'm done with the barbs.
i dont have necro, but i am pretty sure that my sorc can kill your hammerdin easily unless you use absorb :creep:
my acc is "Absolute-Fire"
welcome to duel with me any time when i am online ~ cheer~~ :drink:

[sbc84]

i dont have necro, but i am pretty sure that my sorc can kill your hammerdin easily unless you use absorb :creep:
my acc is "Absolute-Fire"
welcome to duel with me any time when i am online ~ cheer~~ :drink:

I use 1 absorb vs sorc. I'll duel u when I can get a hold of hotspur boots assuming that your name is the type of sorc u have (some people actually make cold sorc with fire or lightning name).

[Krazy_Solo]

Ok lets put it this way... Unless the Paladin stops running to use Hammers the Barb will chase the Paladin all over the map... Concider this is without Teleport... No Teleport = Dead Paladin (Unless a V/T)... V/T is the only build that can stand toe to toe with a Barb without running away...

[fugitive alien2]

Ok lets put it this way... Unless the Paladin stops running to use Hammers the Barb will chase the Paladin all over the map... Concider this is without Teleport... No Teleport = Dead Paladin (Unless a V/T)... V/T is the only build that can stand toe to toe with a Barb without running away...

do you actually play barb, and if so have you actually participated in non-tele duels with a skilled hammerdin, or is that just what you think would happen? ^^

[sbc84]

Ok lets put it this way... Unless the Paladin stops running to use Hammers the Barb will chase the Paladin all over the map... Concider this is without Teleport... No Teleport = Dead Paladin (Unless a V/T)... V/T is the only build that can stand toe to toe with a Barb without running away...

This argument is irrelevant. After dueling fugitive (who is not using teleport), those barbs complained that they can't beat invisible hammers from his charge/hammer tactics. However, they are still claiming that tele hammerdins are meat for barbs.

btw, because of charge (and/or teleport), no paladin should be running while dueling any build that relies on AR to hit.

[The_Redemptor]

I suggest you join whatever duel game you want. Assume there are no nk lamers. Stay in town and count the 'X got killed by Y' messages. That's what I did for seven days, four hours a day. And here are the results:

'XX Hammerdin got killed by YY Melee Barb' ... 6 times
'YY Melee Barb got killed by XX Hammerdin' ... 68 times

If you don't believe this try yourself to get a similar result.

Some more:

'XX Hammerdin got killed by YY Wind Druid' ... 25 times
'YY Wind Druid got killed by XX Hammerdin' ... 180 times

...

I think Hammerdin is the very best pvp character.

[BT-LightDash]

a good ebotd great poleaxe barb does stand a chance against skilled hammerdins....

still a harder matchup for the barbs imo
but defintely not impossible

[fugitive alien2]

I suggest you join whatever duel game you want. Assume there are no nk lamers. Stay in town and count the 'X got killed by Y' messages. That's what I did for seven days, four hours a day. And here are the results:

'XX Hammerdin got killed by YY Melee Barb' ... 6 times
'YY Melee Barb got killed by XX Hammerdin' ... 68 times

If you don't believe this try yourself to get a similar result.

Some more:

'XX Hammerdin got killed by YY Wind Druid' ... 25 times
'YY Wind Druid got killed by XX Hammerdin' ... 180 times

...

I think Hammerdin is the very best pvp character.


lol got no life eh? ^^

count necro vs hammerdin dat would be more interesting

[Absolute-Fire]

I use 1 absorb vs sorc. I'll duel u when I can get a hold of hotspur boots assuming that your name is the type of sorc u have (some people actually make cold sorc with fire or lightning name).

I am fire sorc~ and i dont mind you use some absorb~~ as long as you dont over absorb XD cause it really sux :lol:

[Krazy_Solo]

I notice you forgot one thing about a good - Godly barb player does... They use Zerk vs Casters and Range... So I really dare you to stop and cast your Hammers before they get hit your dead in one swing... Zerk is 100% magic damage so the damage cannot be absorbed so a 10k zerk is 3k+ in duels which is instant death to any Caster...

[sbc84]

I notice you forgot one thing about a good - Godly barb player does... They use Zerk vs Casters and Range... So I really dare you to stop and cast your Hammers before they get hit your dead in one swing... Zerk is 100% magic damage so the damage cannot be absorbed so a 10k zerk is 3k+ in duels which is instant death to any Caster...

Now you r just being funny. What is your account on uswest ladder or non-ladder (and the time u play on weekend)? The best chance you have of hitting a good caster with swing attack is by tele/attack. Remember that they can tele away b4 u get off the swing or block your swing, and your AR may not pass their defense. btw, try tele on top of a pure hammerdin when you actually duel for real instead of writing stuffs here.

About the damage, are you assuming that you always hit maximum damage with critical strike (because 10k zerk is not 3k+ pvp without critical)? what about the min. damage? average damage?

[Joe_smith]

I notice you forgot one thing about a good - Godly barb player does... They use Zerk vs Casters and Range... So I really dare you to stop and cast your Hammers before they get hit your dead in one swing... Zerk is 100% magic damage so the damage cannot be absorbed so a 10k zerk is 3k+ in duels which is instant death to any Caster...

i dont' remember being killed by zerk with any of my chars tho except when i zerk dueled other barbs. ww is the real killer not zerk. zerk works on bad or slow players or against people who are trying to tank u. if they are on the move u have a pretty much 0 chance of hitting unless maybe u use ww to stun them first then zerk or maybe use frenzy.

[KaFKa]

hey absolute-fire, bring your fire sorc... my friends got a hammerdin and GUARANTEES he'll win without any absorb...

*I_hate_ebayerz

[Joe_smith]

hey absolute-fire, bring your fire sorc... my friends got a hammerdin and GUARANTEES he'll win without any absorb...

*I_hate_ebayerz

your gonna make him look bad if he loses which he very likely will.

[The_Redemptor]

lol got no life eh? ^^

count necro vs hammerdin dat would be more interesting

"XX hammerdin got owned by YY bs necro" ... 75
"YY bs necro got owned by XX hammerdin" ... 9

(Those 9 wins were dealt by ONE teleporting hammerdin vs 2 different teleporting bs necros who had teamed up (for the purpose of laming I think). That really impressed me, both necros left the game after they got owned and we could continue playing 'normal' duels. Ever since I'm sure 'godly' hammerdins like this guy own bs necros.)

[Absolute-Fire]

I notice you forgot one thing about a good - Godly barb player does... They use Zerk vs Casters and Range... So I really dare you to stop and cast your Hammers before they get hit your dead in one swing... Zerk is 100% magic damage so the damage cannot be absorbed so a 10k zerk is 3k+ in duels which is instant death to any Caster...

my sorc can tank over 4hits from 10k zerk.....no include blocked attack :innocent:

[Joe_smith]

hey absolute-fire, bring your fire sorc... my friends got a hammerdin and GUARANTEES he'll win without any absorb...

*I_hate_ebayerz

95 % fire res? lol that's even worse than absorb.

[Absolute-Fire]

hey absolute-fire, bring your fire sorc... my friends got a hammerdin and GUARANTEES he'll win without any absorb...

*I_hate_ebayerz

wee~~~ hahaha~~ welcome to duel with me any time when i online :creep:

[DMACK66]

The best pvp? I would have to say either a bowa zon, or either a bone necro

[Joe_smith]

The best pvp? I would have to say either a bowa zon, or either a bone necro

not a bow zon man lol they have too many weaknesses and holy freeze and slow pretty much make them useless. bone necro yeah.

[Krazy_Solo]

Are we even thinking remotely that the paladin even gets a chance to cast his hammers (Remember a Barb normally has 100% f r/w if they are good)... With that kind of speed the barb can chase down a teleporter easily (Sorcs know what I'm talking about)... a Teleporting Paladin is the same as chasing down a Teleporting Sorc in 1.09... Except the Paladin doesn't have a range attack with Hammers meaning the barb can play cat and mouse forcing the Paladin to teleport away before he/she can cast a single field of hammers...

[Joe_smith]

Are we even thinking remotely that the paladin even gets a chance to cast his hammers (Remember a Barb normally has 100% f r/w if they are good)... With that kind of speed the barb can chase down a teleporter easily (Sorcs know what I'm talking about)... a Teleporting Paladin is the same as chasing down a Teleporting Sorc in 1.09... Except the Paladin doesn't have a range attack with Hammers meaning the barb can play cat and mouse forcing the Paladin to teleport away before he/she can cast a single field of hammers...

have you actually seen a barb and a hammerdin in a duel? it certain doens't seem like it.

[sbc84]

Are we even thinking remotely that the paladin even gets a chance to cast his hammers (Remember a Barb normally has 100% f r/w if they are good)... With that kind of speed the barb can chase down a teleporter easily (Sorcs know what I'm talking about)... a Teleporting Paladin is the same as chasing down a Teleporting Sorc in 1.09... Except the Paladin doesn't have a range attack with Hammers meaning the barb can play cat and mouse forcing the Paladin to teleport away before he/she can cast a single field of hammers...

I think we have a mini-module doing his things here in terms of trying to make an invalid argument. However, there is one big difference. You don't compile one long, run-on (or comma-happy) paragraph. Your writings are legible.

[Joe_smith]

I think we have a mini-module doing his things here in terms of trying to make an invalid argument. However, there is one big difference. You don't compile one long, run-on (or comma-happy) paragraph. Your writings are legible.

hehe they both admit their lack in dueling experience.

[evo]

hammerdins are very hard but i honestly believe that their hammer dmg in melee needs to be nerf'd. taking 1800 pvp is way too strong. anyways

with hammerdins you have to have to will not to go in after them.. that is just asking for a death. i have a wwbarb and i usually go 1:1 on hammerdins.

lately every single hammerdin i face runs in before they die? i do not know what their problem is but it is really annoying when you get them low and they just run in.

anyways.. i will duel any mannered non-cocky hammerdin with my wwsin. it is good practice for both of us.

uswest/ladder PKmr2 :wave:

[evo]

as for the question on the best all around duelers.. i would say.. it has to be a

hybrid assassin
barb
hammerdin
druid
necro
foh

feel free to disagree.

i really dislike hammerdins because a lot of them are just too cocky.

uswest/ladder PKmr2

[sbc84]

as for the question on the best all around duelers.. i would say.. it has to be a

hybrid assassin
barb
hammerdin
druid
necro
foh

feel free to disagree.

i really dislike hammerdins because a lot of them are just too cocky.

uswest/ladder PKmr2

Will u duel mannered " " hammerdin? Trust me, u won't be hearing any trashs coming from me in private duels. If you don't cry and spitting out trashs, then I'll look for you on bnet; otherwise, duel is over.

[evo]

Will u duel mannered " " hammerdin? Trust me, u won't be hearing any trashs coming from me in private duels. If you don't cry and spitting out trashs, then I'll look for you on bnet; otherwise, duel is over.

yeah whisper me PKmr2 i wouldnt mind dueling a hammerdin like i said i would with my wwsin

i am always up for some practice vs a good hammerdin

[evo]

some things never change.. again three hamerrdins ran in...