poison not effected by PVP penalty

[Jerkazoid]

in 1.09 we all knew this, but 1.10 saw a change to that right?

am i the only one who didnt know psn is not effected by pvp in 1.10?

[van_ham]

Really? I didn't know that either. . . hmm maybe i should rethink the poison builds ive missed. . .

[CEG]

Are you sure about that? My pvp kicksin has 1k venom damage. I have fought numerous chars and landed quite a few kicks. Unless all of them have nice poison resist it seems hard to believe that its not affected by the penalty. Perhaps you could offer some proof/experiences with it? Its not that I dont beleive you, but that my own experience leads me to believe differently.

[Jerkazoid]

well on the lld forums they are trying them out, i remeber trying a psn lvl 29 and she sucked when 1.10 came out,,
and now....

they results of dmg show the pvp penalty does not effect it.

taken from lld101
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19k Psn Jav over 64 Secs
6.5k Plauge Jav over 11 Secs

Letting each run its full duration, here's the damage:
Against Death Hand (75% psn resist, 75% reduction)

Psn Jav total dmg (post pvp): 971 dmg
Plauge Jav total dmg (post pvp): 372 dmg
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do the math withouth the 17% cut.. ull see they equal up... the dmg is getting through un-penalyzed.

[nucks]

Seems like the elemental damage isn't penalized. Fireball and Blizzard doesn't seem to be penalized either. My friend's 11kdmg blizzard still does an avg of 1000 damage to my barb with 258res and dual ravens.

[tyth17867]

yeah it seems that everyones trying psn builds lately, psn nova mostly. i think plague javas are better and even better is a rabies build, i had one a couple months ago, got him up to 66k or so over about 22 seconds. Thats 3k a sec, killed all but high defense barbs usually and defiance pallies. :thumbsup:

[Soepgroente]

I calculated that poison nova goes through a penalty of 25%. That's all i know :)

[Zelc]

Seems like the elemental damage isn't penalized. Fireball and Blizzard doesn't seem to be penalized either. My friend's 11kdmg blizzard still does an avg of 1000 damage to my barb with 258res and dual ravens.
A high level Cold Mastery can pierce most of that 258 resistance, leaving you with about -85% or something. 11K * 1.85 * 1/6 = 3391 damage. 3391 * .2 = 678 damage, which seems to be about right.

By the way, I think poison damage is now affected by the PvP penalty. My 82k Plague Javelin could not bring an 11k HP druid down to 1 HP in one hit. Even factoring in 75% resists, an 82k Plague Javelin should do 20.5k without the PvP penalty. I doubt he had 115% poison length reduction (which Infinite told me is also affected by the NM and Hell penalties).

[Jerkazoid]

I calculated that poison nova goes through a penalty of 25%. That's all i know :)

this is even more weird seeing as how the pvp penalty is 17%

i just tested i dont know what the deal is,,, the 17% penalty IS there!

[sbc84]

This is how poison nova works:

10K nova hits a player with 75%resist. The contact damage after 1/6 pvp and 75%resist is 417 poison damage. In addition, the target will also take another 417 poison damage in 2 seconds. The total damage will be 834.

[Jerkazoid]

This is how poison nova works:

10K nova hits a player with 75%resist. The contact damage after 1/6 pvp and 75%resist is 417 poison damage. In addition, the target will also take another 417 poison damage in 2 seconds. The total damage will be 834.

u mean in hell, with a player who doesnt wear length reduction.

u can wear two nice rings and have 150% poison length reduction.. then u only need 25% more and ur at 75% in hell.

then stack up to make sure ull have 75% res and suddenly ur listed dmg is doing 1.1% of its stated amount PVP:

so 10,000 would become 110 dmg in 12 frames,, and thats with plain ol 75% res and we all know people will keep some great +psn res item somewhere just incase

[DragonKnight_Aka]

hey guys don't forget that psn nercos also use lower resist factor that in too

[xlodtraderx]

this could have a very easy explanation. You were probably facing a rabies druid, in which rabies isnt affect by ANYTHING after its been inflicted. (Im pretty sure not even akara can heal u)

[Soepgroente]

No, 25% penalty for poison nova. Not 1/6 but 1/4. That makes 10k psn nova 2500 and not 1700 which is better for the final dmg (but not for the one who has to reduce the damage :evil: )

then stack up to make sure ull have 75% res and suddenly ur listed dmg is doing 1.1% of its stated amount
75% resist, 75% reduction and 75% reduction from pvp penalty.

1 - (1-0,75)*(1-0,75)*(1-0,75) = 1,5625% aka 156,25 damage over 2 seconds. Best you can get is to negate it with 95% resist, then the damage becomes 31,25 for a 10k attack. 0,3125% of the damage in other words, can't negate it further.

Worst you can get is -100 resist and -100 reduction, which means you're taking the listed damage (0,25*2*2 = 1)

[Jerkazoid]

Psn nova only gets a 25% pvp cut?.
iv never heard that before.

[Soepgroente]

Psn nova only gets a 25% pvp cut?.
iv never heard that before.
It's what i tested, feel free to prove me wrong though :)

[VoodooCamel]

Just one thing, I am not too sure it is a good idea to use venom and dragon talon because the venom would reset with each hit and do no damage at all.

[Soepgroente]

Just one thing, I am not too sure it is a good idea to use venom and dragon talon because the venom would reset with each hit and do no damage at all.
The duration is only 0,4 seconds (10 frames), so assuming all kicks hit you still deliver 20% of total damage everytime. If you miss a kick you'll deliver 40% already. If you get back to your initial kick you'll have 70% of your poison damage done while you're recovering from them kicks. And lastly, if your opponent makes a run for it, he still takes the poison damage.

Yes it's useful :)

[Groovehawg]

It's what i tested, feel free to prove me wrong though :)

I think Jerkazoid is right on this one...the 1/6th penalty is there. Thing is, poison length reduction in hell is -100%, just like resistances. To get true 75% PLR in hell, you'd have to stack 175%PLR gear.

19K Psn Jav damage
1/6 PVP penalty=3166 damage
75% resistance=791 damage
75% base PLR in hell equals -25% PLR, or a 25% increase in duration/damage, so 791 damage becomes 988 (close to the figure given)

This also follows what sbc84 stated, assuming the target had absolutely no PLR.

[Soepgroente]

I was talking purely poison nova, no poison javelins or from charms whatsoever ;)

[Groovehawg]

So, is the 1/4th penalty unique to poison nova?

I've tested with sin's venom, and even that goes through the 1/6 pvp penalty.

You sure it's not the additional duration/damage from having less than 100PLR in hell thats giving you that figure?