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TEB-Bird
31-05-2004, 03:45
Hi guys,
I'm going out of town for for a bit grandmother isn't doing so well, so I'll be gone a few days not sure how long. Stinger has the pw to my acct for enchanting ppl so harass him if u need some enchant ^ ^ .
When I get back I'll go for the big #4 good luck and play safe all.
Bird
Hope grandma is gonna be ok bird.Hi guys,
I'm going out of town for for a bit grandmother isn't doing so well, so I'll be gone a few days not sure how long. Stinger has the pw to my acct for enchanting ppl so harass him if u need some enchant ^ ^ .
When I get back I'll go for the big #4 good luck and play safe all.
Bird
Take care Bird. Think positive....I hope your Grandma recovers quickly.
On Asia front. A few pointers on WW barb. Saw dueling post. Need pvm. 1 hand or 2 (would've thought one but see most dual weilding). IAS on weapon. Angelics? What else is important? Thanks, as always.
TheCerberus
31-05-2004, 17:40
Viamede, most of the people going 2-hand weapons are either duelers or pretty much bored. In most places a shield isn't needed that much for resists, such as Flayer, but usually a battle hammer/naga and a shield works well. I like battle hammers, because they get higher damage, have lower requirements, and more durability than nagas. Nagas do have the higher range though.
Using a 3D Tower Shield, most resistances can be gained from other places. To get 75 max in hell, you need 125 total resistances.
125-57=68. If you have one point in Natural Resistances, and one point in Battle Command, you'll get 21 to resistances I believe. If you use all 3 slots for Angelics, then you can easily have those 47 resistances through helms, gloves, boots, and belt.
And with WW in Classic, don't bother looking for a weapon that must have IAS. Leech is pretty nice, and high damage, but don't worry about getting IAS, because I'm pretty sure it doesn't effect WW in Classic. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Thanks Cerberus. I recalled reading that IAS on weapon is all that works with WW, but may not have been classic and may not be important. So Angelics, bhammer, 3d shield, twitch for armour (?), res items otherwise. Started Viamuse with thought of either singer (muse) or ww. Never built either. Thinking singer likely not viable except in party and not enough people in Asia to depend on partying.
not enough people in Asia to depend on partying.
Quality over quantity via. :thumbsup:
Quality over quantity via. :thumbsup:
Couldn't agree more Khianna :buddies:
That's why I have spent almost all my playing time in Asia and have left all my east projects stalled. Heck if enough people stay there I may never go back.
The only BUT to all that is I often play odd hours (6 AM EST type thing) when no one else is on so need to be able to solo and party most characters I play, at least to a point :D
I personally woouldnt worry about wether you go 1 or 2 handed as most builds can go both ways.
IAS means nothing for WW in Classic......Snap is just as fast as that 40 IAS Exec!
I suggest no mastery at all until very late and after you are 100% on what you want to finish the game with.
Remember, if you get to the end game in CS there is only Zerk, Warcry, Leeching and BOing that you can do. With this said, you could live in the river your whole life if you want to, but it will be slow lvling.
The better overall builds are Maces one of two hand and simply for the Undead bonuses, and durability and even a 100 ED mace is good damage where 100 ED on most other weapons isnt very good.
I would personally suggest (2) handed as that will give you kill speed. Hammers work, dont get me wrong, but with Range 1, and probably a 110-130 damage you will be a much slower killer thatn even the worst Snap that can spawn. The thing here is you can build to a Hammmer, but go Snap or Steel also as your are talking about similar reqs.
Crushing Blow is a must......Your main sorce here is GToes as The Aromor has flee and can be very annying but does do the trick. Most any Barb in a solo or 1-3 player game can kill fine solo, but when the game increases to that 4+ player are the only thing that will allow you to kill well is crushing.
As for Classic Barbs.......I suggest you take the mindset that you WILL invest more than just 1 point in Natural Resists so that you can go 2 handed. This simply only eventually costs you a little Mastery which frankly isnt needed! I have a Naga Barb that is Conc/WW on East with no mastery and has a fulll crushing setup and he kills very well. I dont sugest this build, but it proves that you can diversify your build mosre than just all out WW/master/bo/shout.
Personally I love my Clegs Barb.......he has his weak points, but every lvl he gets meaner as his weapon always gains damage the higher he gets. I beleive it is like 90 damage right now at lvl 60 IIRC....might be off. Anyway, lI have to drink some blues, but I am also relying on only the ML from Clegs. His resists arent maxed, but are close in Hell, and one more point in NR would max al but one. The whole key to the build is the CB and DS on the set, the very low reqs of the set, and the AR of the set.
Now, it isnt advisable to start out as a Clegs Barb and switch later as you need a little Dex for the set, but it wouldnt hurt ya much if ya did. It is also pretty handy to use this set as I can carry two swords and space out my trips to town for repairs. Clegs Barb will start off rather weak at WW but he always gets stronger, and by the time he hit 60ish he is pretty good. I personally use an Ancient Armor......you could go with Twitch for Block, but I prefer more defense. If you go twitch thatn the Shout your get is basically worthless!!!
WW works.....there are many ways to make it work, but i still recommend two handed if you can swing it, or having the option of going both ways if you really want to be a power hitter in bigger games.
Gee I may finally have a use for some of the equipment I have been stashing. I have a bonesnap and have full clegs (two swords as well iirc). So I gather your pref is full clegs to snap. I thought twitch if one handed w PD tower, but if two handed then little use and block is bad on clegs anyway. Jewelry I guess can be rare (manald?) with AR bonus if using Clegs? Found second duskdeep which I might wear on him. Also have many pieces of sigs so may use belt and boots till get goblins (which are hiding from me along with rattle :grrr: ).
On good note andy keeps dropping useful stuff to my freezer (face of horror, 2 manalds and the duskdeep from boss pack on the way) just not exactly what I'm looking for. Still level 52 and workin up. Running outer steppes (no gloams) basically tryin to level before going to cs and beyond. What is good level for starting hell in classic, I am thinking 64?
With a group 54 is ok....64 is going to take a number of CS runs to get, I try and wait till 60 if I will be solo or without BO.
I dont prefer Clegs over Snap. Both are a good way to go. Snap provides some resists just the same as Clegs does, but with the clegs I get DS and CB, and if I want to I can add Rattle and GToes and have massive crushing!!! This is basically why I went with Clegs, that and I didnt have a snap when I started him. I have another barb I have started which will use either a Snap or Steel, I have one each both 1% off of perfect. I have even considered a Zerker with a Steel!!!
Nice thing about clegs is the slow....now the slow can also fool with you and make ya swing at something not there from time to time, but it can slow down things for you. The set also supplies ML and a modest AR. Right now I am using Sigs with the set, Helm, belt, boots, Clegs (3) pcs, +1 ammy and (2) LL rings one is Cats, one has two nice resisits. I have some nice AR with clegs and sigs combo, and I can swap boots for Gtoes and not loose it, but i loose some cold. Sigs is a tuff set to build two when you dont have a good rez shield since it isnt king on resisits.
Personally I dont like twitch, i use it rarely and usually only Zons or low lvl PKK builds, sometimes starting characters, but I usually opt for Angelics for new characters.
I know block is good, but i rarely worry abotu block, it is usually what is the result of getting my resists, or in Clegs case I sacrafice block for CB and DS and Slow. If you have a good two handed, and can add some crushing to that build then you can have a better killler, but if you have nothing, or a small item base a Clegs Barb can go a long way if you allocate a few points to make up for the resisits.
Besides.....it is also that type of build that if some butthead decides he wants to try and PK you he just might find his but in a bit of trouble, especially if you ahve the full crushing set, and maybe carry a few selective angelics pcs around for such an occasion!
Clegs BArb will NOT tear things up like a two hander can.....it is simply just an adequte and cheap build.
Fod for thought for sure. Dang I hate choices....
Well guess I'll toss a coin. Can use clegs sooner so may start there as adds AR (until I replace extra angelic set I lost muling). I don't really want to sink in dex points if going snap as can make do with hellforge hammer or khalims and shield to 24 if need to. Well it'll be easier if I die with first one then my second choice will be made for me. :D
60 it is then (most monsters are just popping now in Act1 NM w/o getting hit)....ought to take me a week anyway. I'll just be treading water in NM in the meantime and hopefully catch the next Khianna/Rathi/Stinger/Holy wave.
I think all three of them are in early NM moving maybe as I type, nost sure of thier hours! I know holy and Rathi went to NM last night at about lvl 28, too early for my blood, and my new Zon really didnt have great resists in Norm let alone NM. I am still a VERY poor person when it comes to getting resists on a Bowa and that is what she is. i have a few bows, but not much else. I seem to have more of a 3-4 character budget but have 7 so items of quality are a bit thin!
If AR is your only concern, the Snapper can use Hsarus and do just fine. He may have a bit of a tuff go early in Hell should be fine later.
As for Hell.......I have a 60 Barb, i am silling to run hell Act 1 with ya for lving, and you should be fine with BO. Things should be mighty slow with Clegs Slow and Freeze!!! The other night a few of us ran Pit a bunch, we were getting like 3/4-1 lvl a run in the 50-60 area, I was 65 when I started and hit 69 and felt good about the exp. I still would like to see how the exp is in there at 84 ish in a good size game but havent had the chance.
I need to find a few items, I have a couple of Zons sort of at a stand still until I find some things. it is amazing how some things drop all over the place when you dont need them but when you need one they never drop. I could go to East and i garuntee you I have 4-6 Irthras Crowns either in use or on a mule and I gave a coupel aways also, but i have yet to see one fall let alone me pick it up in Asia. Same goes though wiht Frosties and Shards, I have a few Frosties, one Shard, and still havent found either in Classic East!
Strange luck I suppose......I will find one, and then i will soon fill a mule with them and that is how it goes!
As for the Clegs Dex......if you have a twitch, and make a Dex helm you could use Clegs for a while, see how you like it and if you dont you can change gear and go snap. i think Emeralds are 8 Dex each??? I dont recall, I am not one to worry about that much, but since you are in the coin tossing mood you could do that. I have some helms and I think a few gems also. There are also Dex rings at a much higher lvl, so when you get in NM you might be able to go that route and not add the dex until way late.
Also, Kihanna and Myslef are both in the beginning of Act 3.......Not sure if we will push thru that act fast, or even run it much as Kihanna is working on a new build. I basically made my Barb for one purpose, and that is to help people thru Hell. He will lvl just fine that way, and i will only play him for that. When he gets bigger and stronger I thinki may do some MF runs with him, but he really is simply to help people thru Hell with BO and some tanking.
Oh, forgot, I have a Java that ill be happy to do some NM CS runs with if ya want......jsut holler. She plays a bit cautious with here poor resisits but she killls well.
Cool expect I'll be doing the Dev thing tonight, may get to Asia for a bit after, but tomorrow night should be OK. Have to check inventory for right weapon for cs, using Culwen's now. Angelic sword might still be safe with IM (did little damage to me in norm) or have ITD wand (w 50% terror) or Diggler but they are both slower (uggh more choices). Course w/o CB I need someone to take out the OK's (CI) as I recall. After a few levels I will poke around hell with your barb, have to adjust some equipment for res etc. Slow on slow sounds pretty good.
Dex helm...never thought of it (doh). Helm and jewels shouldn't be an issue.
Pretty good night last night wth a constant 4-6 ppl game going in NM! If we are lucky enuff to pull this off again tonight or tomorrow we might be able to have a nice stout group to hit Hell wiht by the end of the week.
If we dont have the ole NM group going I am still open for the ole Hell lvling things or even questing.
Yeah it was sure good to level in a game with good people :thumbsup: even if I was mostly doing my own thing. Gained 5 levels in time I would have gained one on my own. Thanks for the CS help. Not bad item night either as found first shard in classic in Outer Steppes.
Cheers :drink:
TheCerberus
02-06-2004, 19:08
Hey guys, my dad has finally stated that I play too much Diablo and don't do enough work to better my college application, so he uninstalled Diablo from our computer. I'll PM one of you my password soon, I have an account with mules with reasonable stuff that can provide some use, also feel free to strip my barb of his items as I don't see myself getting on until about after a month. If any of you wants to experience the joy (get bored quickly) of playing a berserker barb feel free to use him. He's pretty set on resistances, so Stinger if you want to use that Chaos for your sorc feel free and get it. Also, as he has just hit lvl 74, his 3 imbue quests still left can be put to good use on a weapon for the chance of 200%ED, or armors if someone needs. I'll PM either Stinger, Bird, or Viamede sometime soon with the password.
Have fun questing guys, and Bird good luck in your pursuit of the ladder.
Sorry to hear that Cerberus. I too will have to slow down a bit or my wife will take a hammer to my cd soon I am afraid. Hope to see you back sometime in the not too distant future.
:wave: <---not waving goodbye
Damn wives and parents!!!
We can try and keep the acct active and get the ones burnt in that arent so if you get to play it is still there for you. Goldskins dropped this weekend for Sorc so she is fine.
Well, the hammer is starting to come down on me as well. But since I put all those points in evade and dodge, I'm hoping I can stick around for little while longer. And I won't be going away totally, but backing off a little. I'm hoping I can find that delicate balance of not appearing to play too much.
I swear, why can't they all get addictive hobbies and leave us alone... :rant:
Anyway, take care cerberus, and hope to see you again...
My Fiance (soon to be wife and the clock is ticking 6-11-04) plays DII, Classic and Sacred. She doesnt play a lot, but she does go on strings and understands the addiction! She somewhat sucks at DII and almost never leaves norm thus why she gets bored eventually. Hell she will make a sorc, invest in all the skills and still smack stuff to death!!! She does have a HC Barb in Classic lvl 56 she soloed, and another 68 in Xpac soloed, both in NM, and both are Concentrate and use Clegs set!!! Would you try Xpac in NM act 5 with Clegs??? BTW she does well.
Anyway, she use to get on my *** but eventually she realized if it wasnt this it would be something else and at least this doesnt cost money.
She use to be "why dont you watch TV with us?" ....reply "becasue you wont watch stuff I am interested in watching"......movies...etc, just different tastes. We have many things in common, but when it comes to some things it is night and day.
Besides, she is also addicted to cleaning, and seems to feel the need to rearrange furniture randomly, and has something in her head that says "lets paint this"......my God she use to paint rather poorly, but she is getting better and never asks for help so I keep my big mouth shut!
I dont ask what is for dinner, or when dinner is, if it happens I eat it. If I ask then I open myself up. I dont complain about squat as that only opens me up for the "Why dont you do it". I have my refuge and she gets the rest of the house, and i even gave up my kick *** recliner!
Anyway.....i am a lucky bastard and i dont want to rub it in, but i feel for ya, and I use to deal with all that stuff not to awefull long ago.
TheCerberus
03-06-2004, 02:24
Stinger, 6-11 I pat you on the back. Congradulations man.
And Khianna, that Dodge/Evade joke made me laugh for like five minutes.
Man Stinger sounds like you have it pretty good. My wifes loathes D2 with a passion ("violence and blood" "Hmmmm there's blood...well I'll be never noticed too busy lookin for the drop") . Doesn't get the cheap addiction part either. I gave D2 up about a year ago and wiped all my SC characters but then my older son started playing again, then I started HC and that was it. Fortunately I get a few nights when she is out (choir etc) when I get some peaceful playin time in, after chores (cat, hamster, boys to bed, painting...oh you can send your soon to be wife up here to paint anytime....etc) are done.
Congratulations on your wedding. 15th anniversary for wife and I tomorrow (guess who's not playin D2 :D ). Also I gather early birthday wishes are in order for Saturday, is it not?
Oh and just to follow in Rathi's footsteps, and for some variety from whacking things meself, what is better classic necro skelli-summoner or boner? (I note Sting is playing both?)
Boner works, but it is a tuff build to start. Boner is a bit of a party type character at least ontil he gets up in lvls. Remember the damamge is nice and big, but with virtually no minons you have to rely on curses to manage the crowds.
i plan on heavy use of Confuse as well as drinking tons of pots and running very fast at times if I solo. i can almsot garuntess this buidl will not leave Act 2 until he is 22-24 and Act 3 till about 28 as i know he wont be able to kill squat in Act 4 until he is abotu 28.
Skellies need assistance in Classic. If you intend to solo at all you just have to hae a bone skill, as you have no Merc to really speak of.
Ya, I sort of realized the other day that June is going to be a BIG month for me the rest of my life! 6-5 Birthday, 6-11 Anniv, and some Sunday between the 14-21s or so is Fathers day!!! Woot (3) gift possibilities in 3 weeks time........the true Christmas in June Sale!
But ofcourse now i have the added strain of selecting the proper things for her on 6-11 the rest of my life.......so i am not real sure i am gaining much here!
36 freaking years young!
Hmmm well maybe he will just fill the role of mule5 for now. Created on a whim as all other mules are full of stuff I will probably never use, but you never know....
Still need IAS on some gloves to use crushflange usefully in hell (oddly have multiples of every almost other sigs piece but gloves). Bright idea last night was to gamble gloves thinking I might get IAS and some res as well...no luck...so can rare gloves be gambled w IAS and if so how much 10, 20 or :drool: 30.
36 eh....puppy....
TheCerberus
03-06-2004, 19:10
You guys have PMs.
Thanks Cerberus. I wouldn't feel right playing your character knowing (hoping) you will be back. If I "borrow" anything off a mule I'll certainly try and replace it, again knowing you will be back...right?
Little slow on the response, but congratulations stinger. I wish you very good luck.
Happy aniversary via, congratulations to you too.
And what is up with sig's shield? I've found around 7, and only 1 of most the other pieces.
Oh, and via, I gambled some 10 IAS rares last night. My char level was around 65. I am not sure if they had res on them or not, and I also don't know if I kept them, but if they have res, and I kept them, you can have them if you'd like them. :lol:
I could have shopped 10 IAS w nothing else in Act1 hell, probably earlier but never looked. If I find Bloodfists I might suffer with 10 IAS as my fhr would be covered. Otherwise hoping to do better...thanks for offer. Sorry had to grab n run from Meph last night. My time limit was up. ;) Found a decent plus one rare pally ammy (extra life/manna steal other stuff) I should have given to pooh as I will probably stick with Angelics through hell if can cover res otherwise. If you know his account I'll f-list him and pass it on otherwise I am sure I'll see him there.
I gathered you are using diggler in hell for ITD and res on your shocker, correct? Then again you have some crushing from cage. How's the speed? I noted daggers are slower on a pally then any other character.
Thanks for the wishes. If wife gets the roses at work today I should be in good stead for a bit anyway.
10 IAS on rares is tops, and they actually show up at rather low lvl. If you ahve certain resists you need for the list em and i can check my stuff.
10 IAS on rares is tops, and they actually show up at rather low lvl. If you ahve certain resists you need for the list em and i can check my stuff.
Bugger! Gambled away a lot of gold for nothin (though guess I could have found other decent mods).
IIRC my fire is maxed due to flange, cold is maxed w sig boots. Lit is in 40-50ish range and poison a bit lower.
Muled over a 17% FHR rare armour 288 def with more fire (boo) and lit (yeah) res and a few other things to replace angelic armour (bye bye skill pt and mf) but haven't donned it in hell yet to check. Need to get rest of res and IAS between gloves and/or better armour probably.
Have a few rare belts stashed away to check but the one I am wearing has mid to high 20's to lit and cold so not sure I'll improve there. Though I have a 24% FHR with lower dual res (lit/pois iirc) stashed to check. Probably have to use sigs gloves (when found) for IAS or crush will be too slow in hell. So need res help elswhere. Could use Diggler which has the IAS and might still cover fire res (ITD would replace angelics if I just dont have to kill bosses) but then lose crushing which I need to damage just CI's.
Well some more NM questing/levelling might address the shortcomings. At least it's fun to have some stuff to switch things around.
Hi Via,
Oh that ammy sounds nice. hgbears3 is my account in asia. I am sure I will see you around.
My wife has finnally given up trying to break me of my game addiction. On the other hand i try to give her time every night. She now wants me to get another puter so she can play with me. So i am a lucky guy. :)
I gathered you are using diggler in hell for ITD and res on your shocker, correct? Then again you have some crushing from cage. How's the speed? I noted daggers are slower on a pally then any other character.
It does seem a little slow, but I think part of the problem is the range. With such a short range, I seem to come out of zeal a lot, so it seems slower than it actually is I think. So, I'm entertaining the idea of going to something with a little better range, but I seem to be doing fine except for light immunes, which a longer range isn't going to help me out very much. :thumbsup:
My wife has finnally given up trying to break me of my game addiction. On the other hand i try to give her time every night. She now wants me to get another puter so she can play with me. So i am a lucky guy. :)
Sorry...I have now decided I hate you...so no ammy for you!!!! :p
(j/k I'll see you around and pass it on, probably not till Saturday though)
You guys play on Asia-1?
Yes.
(post-count is a sick thing)
Could go Gnasher, but I foget the mods, it may stil be range one but might be faster.
Hell IAS/light/poison glooves dont sound difficult but you never know. I am willing to bet glooves like that get sold or thrown away al the time if i havent already.
It does seem a little slow, but I think part of the problem is the range. With such a short range, I seem to come out of zeal a lot, so it seems slower than it actually is I think. So, I'm entertaining the idea of going to something with a little better range, but I seem to be doing fine except for light immunes, which a longer range isn't going to help me out very much. :thumbsup:
I have few extra plus one pally skill weapons (mace of some kind and flail I think) stashed that you can pick through but given that lowly me is not using em they probably won't help you much. Checked Gnasher it'll be slower (no IAS) but adds crushing and open wounds . The Flail I had/have was 30 % IAS but like all flails needs repaired so often I got kinda tired of it (esp in Act3 runnin across the bridge every time).
I kind of want to do a Clegs Pally, but i just know he will die an insain death as he will never get his resisits with the full set. Hell what am I talking about i need to just keep playing the 8 guys I have!
I have a 22 Barb that I am seriously considering making a 2 handed Zerker!!! I have a near perfect Steel and also a near perfect Snap (slow but crushing and rez) but i also have a 202 Exec (2 hand) with a littl IAS. Also have this +1 Barb Deminsional but its only 83 but it has I think 30 IAS.
Ah hell what am I talkign about, i have to get my puter squared away or I will die soon! i cant beleive i am getting 400-1000 ping with as high as 3k spikes frequently on Cable! Lets not forget my stupid CRT is freaked out ATM.
Well after looking through all my mules I think I can pretty much set myself up for near full resists in hell with my crushflange. My question is, presuming I can find some sigs gloves (shouldn't take long running norm meph/council) which is better:
1. 20% more IAS, 7% more FHR and 118 defence/lighter armour (light plate) also gives 10% life steal but this will be useless in hell with low phys damage anyway; or
2. 170 more defence (288) heavier armour w the lower FHR and IAS.
Both would max res I think. So attack speed or defence. Would have 75% block with either. I am inclined to go faster and lighter. Opinions?
Well after looking through all my mules I think I can pretty much set myself up for near full resists in hell with my crushflange. My question is, presuming I can find some sigs gloves (shouldn't take long running norm meph/council) which is better:
1. 20% more IAS, 7% more FHR and 118 defence/lighter armour (light plate) also gives 10% life steal but this will be useless in hell with low phys damage anyway; or
2. 170 more defence (288) heavier armour w the lower FHR and IAS.
Both would max res I think. So attack speed or defence. Would have 75% block with either. I am inclined to go faster and lighter. Opinions?
I would go into hell and see how much difference it made with the heavier armor. i.e. go into hell and pick on a monster with one set of armor, go into town and see what chance to hit you they have. Change armor and see how much they have now. Make sure you have your holy shield activated so you get a true representation. I'm thinking that it won't have too much impact on how many times you are going to get hit, so I would think setup 1 would be better, but check it out and see which you are more comfortable with. Also, are you crossing a breakpoint with your 20% IAS or 7% FHR? Cause if you're not, then it gives you no benefit in setup 1, so setup 2 would be better.
So it looks like I'm confusing the issue if I keep going now...
Lazybones was hoping someone with a more mathematical bent would just spit it off :lol:
Basically going from 10 IAS to 30 IAS...so I would hope it's passing but guess i'll have to root up the tables. Thanks.
I have a bunch of Mage Plates laying around and other "less than optimum" armors that i would be happy to part with if they can be of assistance. This could be anything from good resisits and no ED to low ED decent rez, to no or little rez and good ED. i also have some Ancinets wiht low req and a bunch of other hoarded crap that I really dont need but couldnt thrwo away.
Some time this weekend or tonight we can all hook up, Ill go thru mules, tell me what say "single rez might help", or Defense number, or maybe even if all ya want is hit recovery and I will go thru my 24 mules.......need room anyway, and now that I have a couple decent armor i doubt I will roll many more.
the 20 IAS will make a solid difference if you cna do it and get rez. If this item is all taht is keeping you from CSin or questing then I might have a pair i can spare. If it is just a "wish list" item though I would like to keep em as I shall want them soon on my Barb.....actually they should be on him now but i found em last night.
*prepares to wrench sig gloves from meph's pile of rot*
Bad Meph...nice caster in first CS run drops sig gloves....
Ok basically I need some kind of rare armour with FHR (17 or more) and dual res in poison and lightning. Thought had it but turns out to be cold and poison res. Strength is 88 w/o crush and 113 with. Res w crush and no armour are 72/82/46/22 in hell. Res with full angelics are 75/82/71/47 but then will barely scratch cold immunes though mf is nice. No FHR on anything. So priority is adding FHR, light then poison res. Belt has 26 CR and 27 LR and have some CR to spare (about 7) so could switch that out for other dual res belt w FHR. So anything in those area's would help if you find time to peek through your mules. Much appreciated. Course I'm probably being a bit anal here anyway.
BTW 24 mules!!! I can't keep five straight...have to start giving em practical names.
Edit....Ok never mind I tried crush in blood moor even w 33% crushing blow couldn't safely kill two stupid CI mummies, more than three at once..hah...forget it. So I' think I'll stick with angelics one trick (cold) route and just party along through hell. And throw on crush for act bosses if not CI :scared:
Just will add bloodfists or something else in boots/belt/glove as plug along to add FHR and boost resists if I can.
Unholy_VI
05-06-2004, 16:41
Edit....Ok never mind I tried crush in blood moor even w 33% crushing blow couldn't safely kill two stupid CI mummies, more than three at once..hah...forget it. So I' think I'll stick with angelics one trick (cold) route and just party along through hell. And throw on crush for act bosses if not CI :scared:
Just will add bloodfists or something else in boots/belt/glove as plug along to add FHR and boost resists if I can.
See Viamede. Thats why i was putting points into smite on my cold zealot. My plan was for situations like you have there with CIs to do a round a smites to stun, a zeal or two, another round of smites ect... and people were telling me I was dumb. dumb like a fox! I think if you get the smite up to where the stun length is long enough you could take 2 or 3 without them ever getting a hit in.
I see your point. In LOD crushing blow is easier come by. I think unless I add rattlecage, in which case res go down, only options are to get a bigger damage weapon and throw about 10 into sacrifice to boost physical or find a decent two socket divine scepter and throw some perfect topaz or emeralds in it for some other elemental damage. That's if I can get res elsewhere. Otherwise I'm gonna "PARTY!!!!".
Alas I killed off another one. Decided to try and finish hell Andy with Holypooh. Noted things were dicier w/o BO but foolishly plowed on and died to lightning ball buffalo beasties in Catacombs. Should have stuck to party scene. As every partygoer knows w/o a barb there is no party :drink: .
I now follow the way of the cleg barb. Followed usual plan of playing new character right away so as not to mourn the one who has passed (the sign of a true addict) :lol:
Sorry for the loss........
Hell is Hell for sure without at least a Skelmancer, or a Barb.........Hammerdins are good also jsut do to killin speed, but you either need takes, BO, or speed killing.
Well People, I am in a bind here. I think I am going to have to take a leave of absence from Asia simply due to sick lag. Ill keep checking every day and see how it is but it is "unplayable" for me currently. I struggled thru it he last couple days but today was the icing on the cake with 3-4 k spikes every 2-5 seconds.
I just dont understand the problem as on East I am ata pretty constant 40-60 and on West it is about 60-80 Ping. Whwn we first went to Asia I ran a consistant 240 with some occasions in the 400-500 but no spiking to really speak of. Right now it is like........cast Blizz, cross fingures, come out of lag to find most everything is dead but a few putting a heavy hit on me.
For now I think I will start me up an East HCC Sorcy,and play Asia when things are at least minimal spiking.
Sorry, sort of feel like I am abandoning people but there jsut isnt any fun at all with how it is going.
RottweilExpress
06-06-2004, 12:35
So, I'm gonna give Asia a last chance. I will try the barb. I have a Rattlecage and some sigs lying around, and that's about it. What build could be good for me in classic? I am teh newb at classic uc? I'm lvl11 at the moment, but haven't really used any skillpoints yet. Not even chosen a weaponmastery.
Thanks!
Well People, I am in a bind here. I think I am going to have to take a leave of absence from Asia simply due to sick lag. Ill keep checking every day and see how it is but it is "unplayable" for me currently. I struggled thru it he last couple days but today was the icing on the cake with 3-4 k spikes every 2-5 seconds.
I just dont understand the problem as on East I am ata pretty constant 40-60 and on West it is about 60-80 Ping. Whwn we first went to Asia I ran a consistant 240 with some occasions in the 400-500 but no spiking to really speak of. Right now it is like........cast Blizz, cross fingures, come out of lag to find most everything is dead but a few putting a heavy hit on me.
For now I think I will start me up an East HCC Sorcy,and play Asia when things are at least minimal spiking.
Sorry, sort of feel like I am abandoning people but there jsut isnt any fun at all with how it is going.
Well I've been toying with movin away. Too much time invested and too much real work undone. Still thinkin things over....not because of ping but it certainly has gotten worse the past few days.
You have to love the desynch though..nothing like suddenly popping over to another room or part of an area without warning. Adds a nice random teleport quality to the game. BTW ever fix your monitor issues?
Perhaps meh new sig line is teh jinxxors :scratch:
So, I'm gonna give Asia a last chance. I will try the barb. I have a Rattlecage and some sigs lying around, and that's about it. What build could be good for me in classic? I am teh newb at classic uc? I'm lvl11 at the moment, but haven't really used any skillpoints yet. Not even chosen a weaponmastery.
Thanks!
Although clearly a newb myself...I would think concentration or ww. Probably the former as your going to need more res from shield with none from armour but I guess either work. No points in mastery until end when have you final weapon chosen. Stinger gave some pointers if you go back a page or so. Good luck :thumbsup:
Mastery is an "extra" as a Barb can kill with no mastery at all. i have a Barb in Classic and Xpac with no Mastery, max WW and Max Conc is one, and the other is WW/Zerk. Now I dont recommend those builds, but I did them for specific reasons testing. CB will out kill Mastery by far, so if you need to invest in NR to go two handed and have less mastery.
My Clegs barb is a very adequate WWer but 2 hand is still the killing power way to go.
Concentrate works but it is a very slow killer as the weapons just dont do enuff damage.
my puter?
Well, $200 later I have a new 19" screen and she looks great.
Also after basically conceding that I may not be able to play Asia anymore due to the nasty spikes, I get up yesterday and log on Asia and enjoy a 250-500 ping contection with virtually no spikes at all for the whole day!!!
I have no idea what "fixed" that as I bought the screen on Saturday and it only helped the picture of course.
Well, i hope the good ping continues as I had a pretty good day yesterday except the bad point when I had to loot poor ole Pooh, and the poor guy died in mid final blizz for Mephs death.
Oh, I saw it coming......I wanted to pull off the ole moat trick so I had him stand in a spot and I lured him. I was worried very early as Pooh moved up closer to attack and took a bit of damage and retreated. Then his FoHer ran out of mana and ran forward and ate a big iceball with Meph only having a thread of life left......truly poor timing and it sucked. I felt bad as I probably should of got my barb after we got to him.
Pooh, you said you lost mana and he moved forward on you. This tells me tht you used the attack pointing at the target and since he couldnt attack he just ran at meph. I suggest for a caster Pally to use the ALT key to force them not to move while you attack and if you missclick he wont charge forward like that. I also suggest reassigning the ALT key command to #5 which is right next to your pots and is very handy. It took me some time to get use to, and I wasted a few pots learning but in a short amount of time you will get the hang of it.
Caster Pally with thier attack and move both being on the left button can get in serious trouble if they dont use the stand still and attack function as you found out the hard way.
Oh well, back on the horse and start again!
Too bad Pooh,
sorry you lost your Pally too.
I put my standstill on Caps Lock for my pinky then assign skills to QWERT and SDF if needed/, which leaves evrything close. Never tried 5. I guess it would work better if you were leaving skills on the F keys. I like having everything real close, only pain is I am always talking in caps (if playing a caster) which can tick people off if they do not know it is not intentional.
I forgot how much fun leaping around with a barb is. I will play him into NM then probably start something to use the shard I found. Decided it's a pain not having a NM character when you have one in starting hell. Have most things needed for fury zon as well but after losing the last one think I want to keep doing different things while in Asia. So caster of some sort.....
Glad to see your back up and running Stinger....
Shard you say?
Go go Hammerdin and jump into the "power build" areana!
You see real fast how powerfull hamers are when you run with mine when there is no BO. I run mediate and hammer stuff to death in Hell with no damage arura with mine. Then in CS runs leeching some other Pallys Conc I have 7 k hammers!!! You know, at lvl 74 my Conc is still only lvl 10! Solo I do about 3700 with conc but like 1600 with mediate.
I almost went Defiance or Holy Freeze with my Hammerdin and just leech conc from other Pallys. Soul built his Pally with hammers and Convic but he isnt running Asia anymore.........
My Clegs Barb is really getting better noticably. His Sowrd is almost 100 max now, I drink fewer Blues also. He still sint a power killer in big games, but in smaller games 1-4 people he does pretty good. Pooh and I did Act 2....hell come to think of it I didnt Act 2 twice yesterday in Hell......boy, my vote is that act is the tuffest one to quest. Maggot, Viper, and Tomb........not to mention Arcane all have some nasty things to deal with and it is one of those "on the edge" every minute kind of things.
Tell ya, I thouhgt the FoH Pally would make it simpler thatn it was with the Shocker or the Freezer I have gone thru with lately since I would hit better , but no it wasnt. Tell ya thouhg, a freezer and a clegs Barb was the easiest way as everything was pretty darn slow. I liked the Shocker also, he could just waste anything that wasnt immune.
It would be nice to get all these different Pally builds together and quest thru Hell. I think it would be very interesting seeing a Freezer, Shocker, FOH with a Barb go thru Hell, I dont think anythign could stop us.
i have always wanted to do a big Pally eam, but it is near impossible to get people together more than a couple hours a week and even then it tends to fall apart.
Ah I learn something new every day. I did not know that the alt key would stop one from running. Happened all the time with that char/ used mana like crazy. Dieing happens, never played a FOTH pally before. He was just getting to killing levels, oh well. I thought i had run far enough to be safe, was hitting the rejuves but was hitting the wrong number.
Ah yes well if only Pooh and I hadn't both lost ours we would have had that team in place with Khianna's shocker. Teaches me for being too anxious to move forward.
Well I love the freezer but not sure want to start all over again with him. The freeze is nice to have in classic where there is no other ready source for it.
I guess if enough useful stuff drops for one I will consider building him over. If there is geniune interest in a pally/barb team quest through hell. Perhaps if we book a set time to quest, when and if I rebuild through NM, and limit it it would be more workable. Gonna have to cut down D2 as otherwise I think I am gonna have permanent right arm damage from playing so much. Would like to think of a way to get more than one killing method and still max res. Otherwise can't think of what to do to make junior any better. Was thinking of cubing some divine scepters to see if could get useful mods (plus zeal/hf) and sockets but unsure if anything in two sockets will help in hell anyway. Could put points in sac for more physical and get a bigger damage weapon if can cover res otherwise.
I thought about Hammerdin but not sure I want to join the hordes of hamsters. Played one in SC but combination of boredom and aiming issues left him idle.
Was thinking of a CL sorc for something different, but I guess she would just be the furyzons poor cousin.
Well, I started a new pally this weekend. Wanted to try something different, so I'm building a physical damage pally, with a freeze backup. Seems to be working pretty well so far. So, I have options for the pally team if it ever gets off the ground. Think I lost the big damage 1H weapon on my sorc that pooh and I found shortly before I died. But it's not too big of a deal now since I'm using my freeze aure for the most part now.
Okay i will make a freezer this time/ I have that really fast phase blade/ I can rebuild :) On saturday I am going on vacation for a week so I willl not be on.
Will HF be your main aura? If so I would consider doing something different on the pally side for a change of pace. Maybe something with fanat or convic...just not a shocker :p. Or I could just build-up copycat stinger clegs barb and let Stinger play one of his necros.
Edit...Man you guys are too fast to keep up with. Gladly pass on the freeze thingee. I love it but have taken two into hell (one still lives a chicken existence on US EAST till I find good two socket armour for smoke) so it's time for something different. Will fill bearcub FOH role (it is the prettiest attack in the game) or xerox clegs or whatever else our "team" needs except shocker :P.
Will HF be your main aura? If so I would consider doing something different on the pally side for a change of pace. Maybe something with fanat or convic...just not a shocker :p. Or I could just build-up copycat stinger clegs barb and let Stinger play one of his necros.
Edit...Man you guys are too fast to keep up with. Gladly pass on the freeze thingee. I love it but have taken two into hell (one still lives a chicken existence on US EAST till I find good two socket armour for smoke) so it's time for something different. Will fill bearcub FOH role (it is the prettiest attack in the game) or xerox clegs or whatever else our "team" needs except shocker :P.
Mine is going to have fanat as it's main aura. Use freeze in cs and for PI's. That's my plan anyway. If you weren't talking to me, then you didn't see me. :creep:
My main will be freeze/ with shock as a back up/ freeze will be maxed/ shock for ci immunes
First question was for Khianna, correct.
You guys are diversified. Undoubtedly sounder builds then my one trick pony...CI Mummies in Blood Moor :scared: RUN!!!!!..but not too fast :D
Better stop thinkin of new builds and get back to work....though an avenger named TEB-Avengevia does appeal. Oh and have nothing against tesladin but just too much like a freezer to bother with.
Edit: learned something new today hard points in any resists increase max res for fire/light/cold one point up for evry two in. Could never figure out why my cold res was at 85, now I know... :lol:
Edit: learned something new today hard points in any resists increase max res for fire/light/cold one point up for evry two in. Could never figure out why my cold res was at 85, now I know... :lol:
That's a nice bonus to playing an avenger. To make it work though, you really need a high damage weapon. But they have great res, and conviction makes everything easier to hit. I like the 1 point in vengeance and increase damage through the resistance synergies.
That's a nice bonus to playing an avenger. To make it work though, you really need a high damage weapon. But they have great res, and conviction makes everything easier to hit. I like the 1 point in vengeance and increase damage through the resistance synergies.
Well I guess that would leave me kinda gimpy in cs then.
Open to suggestions....
Well, i have contemplated Avengers before in Classic and they seem to be rather item dependant.
First, your resist arura points dont improve your resisits, they jsut increase the maximum you can have, so if naked you are still -60 like everyone but a Barb is! So keep that in mind, if you had 85 then that just means you had enuff CR in gear to get to 85 or better.
Unlike the Shocker and Freezer Avenger needs damage. There is one way to get this simply but you have a very low min damage area, and once again I point at Clegs, but this time for Hell i think you will have to not use the shield, and only the glooves and sword. Now this setup looses the crushing and ML and resists the full set gives, but it does still give you the max damage per lvl and i believe the Deadly Strike as well as the slow which never hurts.
There is also civerbs but it is pretty snail slow, and then there are the various other weapons that could be found or imbued.
If a melee Pally is what you want, one that needs the big hitter and you intend to imbue for that then go for the BHammers. Even a 100% ED Hammer is 100 damage or so, so a poor one can still work. You can also shop 100% ED Hammers. Hammers can get +skill also. Now they are not the speedy weapon that you want, but can come with IAS and you can work on speed in glooves and unfortunately deal with the lack of speed.
The other options would be Nagas, or Knots......both of which if they aret 100+ ED are going to tick you off, the Knot will be lower damage but can be blistering faster and if you get a good one it can be like 35-100 damage with +skills. Best I have seen or owned is a 96 max on East Ladder on a Zealot. He can kill but he is also only in NM.
I hate to "turn you off" on your Pally ideas, but a physical damage dependant pally is only second to the physical damage zon in hardest to play. Dont get me wrong, if ya have the right stuff they can do fine, and in small games like you/we play on Asia they will do fine with reasonable weapons, but no matter how good the weapon is, it will be very tuff to get good speed and still get the resisits.
If you guys need weapons to imbue jsut holler out and let us all know what you are looking for, and if you have imbues laying around unused i suggest focusing them on that weapon if this is a build you really want to do.
Pooh your FoH was doing great, just work on that stand still deal and he and or a hammerdin if ya ever play one will be much better played.
Also, as for the Avenger.........There are two ways to build an Avenger. One involves the max Vengance and like 10 in each rez arura and the other is maxing all resists leaving the Vengance low for mana use being less. There is a nice writeup in the strat comp on Avengers for 1.10 you should take a look at it and jsut ignore the gear parts.
As for Necros, I have a Bonemancer at 27 and confusing everything to death. Right now I am taking the defense route on the build and adding to Bone Wall to max it first and then finish Spear. My kill rate is fine in norm but it will be crap if i go to NM to early so he will probably live in Norm until 35+. He will take off pretty quick with kiling power at abotu 40-45 as from there on out it will be all killing power.
He will also be much better at 30 when I get revives as my 1 point skellies die as fast as i can make them right now. This guy should be a tank/herder at end game. Cunfuse attracts everythign within a distance and it will jsut drag everythign into the kill zon of the hammers flays, blizzs a blizzin, and my CE!!! Besides......if some butthead decides he wants to kill me he is going to EAT SPIRITS and get thru my Armor to do it!!!
i also have a 23 Barb that hasnt moved in a week.......
I know he's going to be hard to play. But I really wanted something else to do. And I had a 123 max damage bhammer, but it was lost quickly. I thought it would be okay with the fanat aura. And I didn't want another mana hog build.
But since I seemed to just be standing around picking off little monsters when in cs, I wanted to have something else that was helpful. It seems there are 4 barbs, a hammer pally, and a sorc in the cs runs. So, I wanted to build something that might be helpful in a different way.
I'll probably die a painful death, but at least it will be something new... :thumbsup:
Edit: Scrap all that...I have chosen...Templar it shall be... (decided Radaments death was always my favourite so why not look at it all the time)...well after I get barb into NM...go go lvl 30 and zerk...cya in a week Bearcub, have a good one!!!!
Pwah...read FoH only hits one target at time and then sends out holy bolts of little use...me no like...TEB-ViaHeaven stalls on drawing board.....thinking thinking :scratch:
Well probably hammer time..have shard, manald rings or some rare fcr rings kickin about....makes sense to use em...
123 hammer would of been a decent weapon to build a zealot around, or an Avenger. the damage is there, but unfortunately both builds would have to be carfull in CS. The Avenger will simply only hurt himslef a bit if he gets IMed, but the Zealot will see his deads quickly in CS.
Now if you want to make a Zealot for fun and run him around other places go for it but if you want a CS runner please dont go Zealot.
Unfortunately there are few builds that are impact in CS much the same as Baal Runs in Xpac. If you can help control crowds, boost killing power, or kill massive numbers than you are doing a lot in there. Those Freezers and FoH and even the Shockers i think all can do something in there to be helpfull. One things about shock is it will draw everything to you also.
Remember you elemental Pallys, especially Avengers, in CS you are not simply a freezer, or shocker, or Avenger, you will also 95% of the time maybe 100% of the time have Concentrate boosting your damage thus giving you a pretty nasty IM return with a big hitting weapon.
CL sorcs can do very well in CS also as well as other places in the game. I am not sure what kind of damage you can produce, but with a lightning build you have no other skills tre neededing investment at all so you can easily afford a high Static investment and in Classic static is still the King of all damage. If you have a good conection you could also go for broke and make a teleport sorc for CS and be loved by all!!!
Well, for cs I was planning on using my freeze aura exclusively and switching out my weapon for something with no damage. Pretty much just slow everything down for everyone else. Maybe hit a few things, but figured most everything would be dead by the time I got there. Don't even know if he'd work in cs, but thought it would be something different. Basically, I've never really done extensive csing, and just trying to find things that I don't see in the runs that we've done that could be helpful.
And I have really liked my CL sorcs in the past, but didn't have FCR stuff so didn't think I would be doing very well with one. If I found a shard, might take a crack at it though.
Total side question, what are the good bows available in classic? I've found a couple bows, but nothing looks all that exciting yet.
Bows...I have a Wizen and Skystrike which are useful. Ravenclaw is good w enchant.
Loved by all eh.. :love: .hmmm....will think of that....have lots of FCR stuff...why is telesorc needed in cs though...layouts a no brainer...guess you can pop seals and not get trapped..had a while ago thought of orb/static, as orb needs less points leaving enough for es and high static....cl appeals more but needs many more points invested, compliments the freeze guys more...thinkin thinkin :scratch:
I should have a good connection, cable, but don't think I was matching your ping yesterday.
Well, my ping went to crap again, back to the same crap i had last week and one dead Sorc.......that spike and freeze was only the beginning or it getting bad and got worse.
Not sure of my plans now.
As for bows...........there are no good bows!!! I have what would of been a great NM bow on my zon and she cant kill cows very well with maxed exploding and a few synergies. Freeze does well, and with BO I can shoot a lot and kill ok. She will do fine when all maxed but whe will always be a mana problem as she is wearing a PSaph helm now and doesnt have near enuff!
Gothics get the highest damage for speed and can get to like 170 max if near perfect 200% and GL finding or seeing one. Best I ever imbued/found was a 117. Gothics arent the fastest, but usually the best for speed/damage.
What I intend to use once the damage is up, is this +2 Double Bow I have. The max is only 60 somethign, but the speed is the fastest and the +2 will help everything and I intend on Freeze to be my main killer.
the biggest issue is leech.........leech is so tuff now for every build and it already was tuff in 1.09 Classic for Zons.
She does pretty good in Act 3 NM and not bad in Act 4...........I am sure she will get better but she will always be hard to play.
If my ping is Bad in Asia I will be East Classic.........I dont intend to quit Asia, but its going to have to be a ping thing.
Khianna and I did about 20 minutes after we all stopped cowing. Ping was brutal, never below 1000. Frustrating isn't it. Sorry about your sorc, with the disconnect going last night anything was possible when things started to move again. How busy is East Classic, I really like the group going in Asia so would be reluctant to restart elsewhere but....
East Classic compared to Asia is like going from some rmote mountain town to New York city, but it still is nothing compared ot the community of Xpac. Lots of TEB enemies on East also!!! Lots of TEB firends there also so there is a lot more good than bad.
i dont intend to bail on Asia, but if I am not there odds are I am East and Asia is giving me some real crappy spikes.
Well I may go get that better modem and see if ping improves otherwis telesorc seems impractical. I did name her last night "TEB-Televiasion" but nothing done yet. (Took the character spot of uncreated BH pally "TEB-BlessVia").
Why is telesorc of value in CS? I gather just to pop seals and tele away. Can telekenises still pop seals? That would be helpful as well I guess. Just wonderin as will then decide between telesorc and thousandth BH Pally on Asia1.
Well....teleporting Center speeds up runs alot. Then also poping seals can speed them up even more. Frankly we never ran a "fast" CS run in Asia as i think many people would of died if we ran them there like they get ran on East.
Standard high lvl CS run on East is.......Telecenter.....sorc pops all seals almost before you can kill the first seal boss. She trys like Hell to be there for first seal boss, but is there for next two and diablo, and the run takes 40-50 seconds, hell maybe faster.
Meanwhile Hammerdins have vigor on and using charge to qget to seal bosses as fast as possible, and they dont care to kill much of anything but the seal boss as the rest are very small exp and not worht the time. During all this time your "nonkillers" like Barbs and Necros and non hammerdins or Sorcs are playing "Dodge Monster" and scrambling for thier life just trying to get in range of the seal boss at death for the exp.
Then after the 3rd dies and all seals are poped all monsters die for no exp....then some arse with pickit gets all the drops from D and if you take the time to take a drink, or light a cig, or yawn you might miss the whole run and will probably get bumped from the next one.
Frankly......that little discription above is why i stopped playing Classic and went to Xpac as at least there the runs were of reasonable lenth and a lot more things got a chance to kill SOMETHING there.
I refuse to run the "breakneck" runs very much. I will run them some, i can handle the runs, but they bore me to death. i would just rather kill most everything, take my time, create carnage and lvl a little slower with nobody dieing hopfuly. I dont mind poping seals quickly and not forcing all to kill everything around all corners, but I dont like the "Kill 4 things and go go go make make make" attitude most of the CS runners have.
You will get a seal poped on you so easily in these runs it isnt funny.
Funny thing is I read people griping about Baalruns being deadly, or use to, but CS runs are far more deadly. Sure there are no Glaoms, but there are a lot of random things, not one single spawn spot that can already have a pit of fire and a blizz storm awaiting every spawn, and there are always Oblivs.
I will never hit 89-91 in Classic it is too boring, but ill do 88, maybe 89 in the right kind of runs or over a long time frame of doing 20 breakneck runs here and there.
Bird has done a very good job in Asia of holding back his CS instincts and basically killing most everything. That Pally of his could of been 91-92 mybe higher if he had been running the same amoutn of time in East. he also knows those breakneck runs kill people and he also knows most TEBs refuse to run like that. Bird is a lvlin nutcase, but he also likes carnage and safety and he knows Asia induces a lag that kills.
You should see a breakneck CS sometime.....it is rather halarious and trying...just LEARN the possible spawn spots and dont be there EVER!
Thanks that clears things up nicely.
Speed :p
safety :clap:
Never really done Baal runs and don't want to do speed runs in classic either. If was of value for team safety then that would be different. If it is just to speed runs up with greater risk then phooey on that. May try static/orb for fun as would leave tons of points for es as well. Problem is killing CI's once static to sliver, maybe few points in lightning. But may just go hammerdin for better ability to solo around if need be. Have to perm new mules to start getting organized, they are a mess now. Then can add another character.
Well, I have no problems with the simple Teleport Conter CS setup as that is a BIG time saver. After that, I am more for the group up and devistate method!!!
Well, I have no problems with the simple Teleport Conter CS setup as that is a BIG time saver. After that, I am more for the group up and devistate method!!!
"Tele Via Tele" :clap:
"TEB-Televiasion was slain by Blood Worm Young"
hmmmm....
What the heck. Will level this one up safer than last one. Will start putting some gear aside for her, have good starting collection. Thinking Eyeless but wonder about resists. What life/mana ratio w ES, would think 55/45 but is there mana curse in classic (only recall Baal and Sirens using it in xpac)? If not then maybe more mana. High static and orb...man she'll be a double cheese pizza :cheesy:
By the way Darkness has all the monsters levels for classic posted.
http://darkness.diabloii.net/beastiary/
I personally dont like adding energy and use a Saph Helm and drink pots. Now my last sorc I gave her a little as i had nothing so I think her Energy was at 50. There is no mana curse in Classic. Also, the Pruby Helm and then invest in Energy is also a good way to go.
There are a number of ways to go with on a Sorc in Classic. I have seen all of these methods work but havent tried them all.
The key is static as it still takes everything to within a thread of death allowing for you to use lower damage to acheive the same end result.
This is one guys patent MF build.....which i havent tried.
Orb Max
1 CM
Max Teleport (Probably could go less than max and get good results)
Max Shiver
Big Static (10ish maybe)
Watmth Investment (10ish maybe)
No energy shield here, build is based around high defense low req armors. Basically with the max teleport it costs nothing to teleport forever, the shiver boosts the D of the big armor greatly, and the static is the main damage skill with the Orb finisher although the Orb still does fine in solo games in Hell against normal monsters and minor bosses. This sorc should also be able to lead any run, and rush people, but she isnt going to devistate in a big game against big hoards.
in 1.09 the Max Orb, Max Static was a very popular build. Basically Orb, stat, stat, stat Orb, stat, stat, stat...etc and it killed well especially the big life cows and big hoards. lots of fast cast just helps it go faster.
Orb/Fire Skill/Static still does excellent in small games
I guess i dont need to list everything, just keep in mind that the static is the most damaging skill you have in Classic and allows one to go with smaller damage and invest in either another skill, mana saving skills, or safety, or a little of all of them.
Many classic sorcs invest highly in Energy and have low life and try to regain all that in gear. It works but it leaves you requiring specific needs and is more of the type ob build I wouldnt go for unless you had a good portion of the gear.
I am still a big fan of the Blizz Sorc as mine did great, she is pretty safe to play using Glacials for a quick crowd stopper. She was somthing like this:
Max blizz and Glacial
5-6 in Blast
4-5 ES.....it was setup to be 50% with a +2 skill ammy
1 Shiver and used it always.....it isnt goldly, but it is a nice boost for one point invested.
17 Telek
5 Warmth....should of stayed at 1 or gone higher here, 5 was a mistake
When I first hit CS I had been saving tons of skills and stats, and i only had max Blizz, 5 in each Glacial and blast and i killed fine in those 3-5 player games. Solo I killed very well. i really considered adding my remaining points in Static, or Teleport, or even maxing wwarmth. Well, i eventually decided to get more damage. i think Bird could vouch that my Blizz did fine when I was lvl 75-80 and that was before I finally decided how to go. I also at one time had 95 stat points unused and stil telled CS!!! Like I said, my sorc should of died long ago, but I held those stats in hopes to get a -30 BIG Ornate, or Chaos. Finally the old Goldskins fell and I finished otu the build around that at lvl 83.
i have a love for the Blizz/Glacial sorc, she is just the safest build I have ever tried.
i still havent found ONE Nightsmoke in Classic in 1.10 either East or Asia..........ver strange and i have had 5 Gulls, 3 Lenymos, and (2) perfect Steels of shich I have never found before.
Thanks again. The first build is more what i was thinking. Was going to go ES route in which case most points would go to energy and damage to mana (nightsmoke etc) is next to useless. However, have been leery of ES route due to mana burn (common in CS) and charging snakes directly by-passing ES which with low life would be risky. Benefit of ES is that one can get away with crummy resists (thus wear Twitch/Eyeless) as they do not factor in until ES is used up, mind if that happens your in trouble.
Thinking of less points in tele and adding third element, probably fireball, as otherwise have no means to finish off CI's once static down to sliver. Oh well lots of time to think it over. Besides Rathi is doing a light/orb build so will have that angle covered for a while.
Nice damage on your Snap barb BTW. Just adding in WW (up to 6) on my clegs and haven't quite got the hang of it yet (mana issues as well so may drop dusk for saph helm for now) just concentrating for now.
Checked on Cerberus' mules this am. Only one permed rest with 5 days life. Got most back to 10 till got booted from realm for switching char too fast. Will try to perm some when have a chance but you might keep it in mind if your computer is otherwise idle.
TheCerberus
10-06-2004, 18:45
Hey guys. Looks like a little under a month before I start playing again, but checking these forums helps a little. I have a question though, in Classic, is Concentration the only aura affecting Blessed Hammers? I know a paladin on East who uses Fanatacism and claims it helps, but then someone said that they do the same damage if it's Fanatacism or Meditation. Maybe someone who has a smiter or zealot with max Fana could test this with another hammerdin.
From what I have read I believe concentration is the only aura that increases hammer damage (Rag's guide). Others may be used to help party, regain manna etc. but do not increase damage. I do not think it is any diff in classic.
OK I got your mules back to 10 days. Do not know if I'll ever get time to perm'em. Haven't permed all my own yet. Uhm lost one of your 3 sock shields already in an afformentioned muling/resettin mishap, sorry. May borrow another if its ok and will owe you when I can replace :D . BTW where have you had luck shopping them, or did you find them all, found two in A4 normal but not much else and I do look all the time just not shop intensely.
TheCerberus
10-06-2004, 20:53
Viamede, feel free to take any of those shields, I found them a lot, I even ended up dumping like 4 or 5 gothics/towers in random normal games. Probably the one place I find 3 socket shields is cows. I found maybe 3 towers in one nm cow run. Almost all the shields that drop are socketed, and most of them are bound to have 3 sockets. Also, superior grim shields can be nice, 2 sockets, but they can have pretty large defense, 170 almost.
I had like 2.3mil gold on my barb, and I shopped Ormus looking for +2 items, every now and then hitting other vendors, and some sell 3socket towers. But cows would provide much much better chances. Also, in nm cows, check all wands/scepters, magic or not. They can have some nice mods, staffs and such can too, but a staff sorc dies pretty easily, so they can net you good profits at Charsi. NM cows is a really great place to find a lot of stuff, not leet things, but socketables, flawless gems. At least 10 flawless gems will drop every game, some you might sell, but idamonds are extremely useful. Who doesn't start off wishing for them? I also have a 48 ward in a mule I believe, 9 less resists, but 10 str. Also, normal cows are a great place for MF runs. Sure, we're not talking Goldskins or anything, but in a 2 or 3 person team Cow King will drop very useful uniques. Run him with 150-200% MF, and he'll drop Gulls, Biggins, bloodfists, and such. Treads might be able to drop, and at NM cows you could net yourself some nice Chance Guards for more MF I believe. Three people could work the best, 1 person who is the maker and finds the leg, 1 sorc who can kill with lots of MF, and a barb who can howl minions away. As soon as the leg is found, the maker goes to a new game and finds leg, then does the same once the first game is finished. Meanwhile, once the portal is up, barb and sorc go in, sorc can tele and tp, but usually the pair finding and howling/killing King works better. This can net you useful stuff, and 3 or 4 gulls can definitely be traded for the best uniques, and NM cows might even drop some or give you nice rares. Some of you might want to try this sometime, or like Stinger was doing, run those people in Cathedral/Palace. I remember seeing a chart of those, but Cow King has worked well for me.
And one of the reasons I think Classic Blessed Hammers might be different, is I'm almost positive the 1/2 Concentration doesn't apply in Classic, so maybe other auras work as well?
Humm....I forgot about his acct....I have two puters I can burn it in easy I just forgot.
Hell my Snapper when you were with him was killing with lvl 1 WW and no mastery!!! Finally last night i decided I wouls make a WW Barb as I was thinkning of some nutzy Steel Zerker but after the lag death of the sorc I figure that was where he would end up fast, and they are tuff to lvl solo. A Snapper is just a crushing blow killing machine. I am not selecting a mastery until later as I may change him over to a gothic Sword I have also, or if i find a Naga. i had intended to mak ehim a 1 hand dueler but with all the damn chicken hack I may not even try it.
With your Clegs barb you might surre a bit with AR in the early 30's in NM. It will get going agin later and things work better. Act 3 Flayers is where ya want to get as soon as you can. There you get hoards of midgets all racing to see which one can slam thier face into your weaon first!!! This makes ML much more effective!
Aruras and Hammers........well, I am living and well tested proof that Fanta does not help Hammers anymore in Classic. Early patch i made a hammerdin with Fanta, well in NM i killed so well i noticed nothing, but in early Hell i noticed it was much slower. Well my acct was then stolen and he was lvl 65. So anyway, I made another one, still not knowing Fanta didnt work and got him to Flayer where I found out real fast Fanta wasting working as a few runs I was the only pallys and killed slow. Then thi guy comes in with a Conc pally and just starts devistaiting things when i was on my Barb and he was the only pally. So i started doing some tests, and sure enuff I quested Act 1-2 in Hell with basically no damage arura!
I tell you , if somoene wanted to make a hammerdin with any arura, he can still solo anywhere in hell Classic.
Now before i use fanta in 1.10 i checked my old hammerdin 1.09 to see if it still listed the damage output. i didnt go and try and test against a character which i should of. Later when i found all this out I did do the official test with my 1.09 Hammersing which only did like 1300 damage due to no synergies.
So, fanta doesnt work, but if you expected to always run with another Pally you could build a Defiant, convic (Soul did), Holy freeze, Santuray, Mediate, Holyfire (crazy) Hammerdin. he would still kill adequately solo and if you doubt it i will be happy to show you what mine does using mediate. Remember, base hammers are still ITD and still higher than many Barbs can muster.
Also, dont worry abotu the 3 sock shields, we can get more I have been just leaving them lay now as i have several on mules.
I wouldn't advise doing nm cows, as they have a lot of life and the experience doesn't reward you for the trouble. The main point is not experience or drops (wich can be ok, as all classic uniques may drop there) but instantly dying due to FE boss explosions.
You probably know many many barbarians died back when the patch was released as Blizard increased monsters' life and this made the corpse explosion skill the fire enchanted (FE) bosses cast as they die kill all characters in range.
The main problem was in hell, as enemies there have a lot of life, thus Blizzard cut the damage by 4. However, some late nm bosses (mainly council members) and cows still have a good amount of life, and they still do full corpse explosion damage.
I have seen 3k life barbarians die in 3 player games in cow level. Other characters should more trouble surviving the explosion, especialy if they don't have battle orders.
All in all, act 4 leveling should give good (maybe better) experience and even some good exceptional rares if you are lucky, and should be far safer. As for items, you can always run to Mephisto in act 3 and check his mood.
Stinger: Just need to get a 3 socket helm and throw some saph's in for mana as I chew through my measly mana pool too quick atm to ww. Then need to practise ww as well, tough to leach when your whirrin through dead air :D .Come to think I could throw my own snap on him until I get his level up some more as I guess the damage would substantially increase at this level. Ed is only 241% but I guess it would help for now. That would let me get some pr or leach on the gloves. All others res are maxed now for nm.
Mestre as in Jorge?
Any Snap is a good snap in NM......in hell it will still do ok but you will miss the damage of a higher one with the snap you may not have many mana issues but still drinka a a little. Sigs Helm can help a lot for mana as it supplies like 30 wiht an extra pc and also gives AR and then you get the LL also. At first my guy was going to duel so i wanted ot have no NR but last night i put in some NR so i may go back to my sigs. nice thing about snap is it gives you fire and cold resists also.
Snap is range two, so you want tightly pack monsters.....i beleive Clegs is range 2 also and some of your mana issuesare a result of the KB in the glooves also. With my Clegs Barb i rarely just WW freely, I set things up for a pass, and then set them up again......line em up like you would with a frostmaiden trying to get multiple pierces to leech the big mana usage back. Cleg works, always get better, but it can be trying early......especially when some Snapper Barb comes flying thru killing everything makin you feel like you are using a wand or something......beleive me I have been there!!!
Try out the snap......mastery isnt needed, i proved that to myself long ago, it is simply and extra. As long as you have crushing blow DS is not needed. Although that DS does help ya leech better.
...especially when some Snapper Barb comes flying thru killing everything makin you feel like you are using a wand or something
Exactly! I shall re-name him "Wanda".
Mestre as in Jorge?Yes, that's me Sting. I'm posting while no-one but the afk member is on. :D
Soul defines AFK, he has perfected it and taken it to new and exciting lvls!
Glad to have you hang out here a tad.
BTW, Mestre here is TEB and a very good clanmate. Too bad he gets such terrible ping in Asia from Brazil as i think you all would find it a pleasure to game with him.
I was pretty positive it was you with all the hints.....Mestre, FE Barb deaths, double axe avatar and all.....how ya like my avatar?
I was pretty positive it was you with all the hints.....Mestre, FE Barb deaths, double axe avatar and all.....how ya like my avatar?Yep, I've heard someone lost some barbs due to that stuff :D
About the avatar, it's the best avatar ever, lol.
Up the irons!
BTW, i may not be on much at all tomorrow or Saturday as i get married tomorrow and we are having a party Saturday.
i held out 36 years so i figure i can sped the next 36 married I suppose 9if I live that long).
Send all gifts to:
Stinger
666 Maiden Blvd
Purgatory, Indiana
0660
LMAO!!!
Hey guys she plays Diablo, and Sacred, cleans like there is no tomorrow and never asks for help. She is an excellent cook but hates to do it so I get great meals like 3 times a week the rest are basically something to eat! When we play together i make her make a zon and i just run behind her looking at the view......ya its sick i know!
I actually considered trying to do this "DII ceremony" later and get a Pally as the preacher, zon and barb and a couple rings with 5 "guests" but i refrained as i figured she make take it as an insult turning this occasion into a joke! I think it was a good judgement but may toss it out there later!
God this game has me by the balls........
Cross your fingures for terrible ping in Asia Jorge and I will come run some on East!!! Hell I may anyway!
TheCerberus
11-06-2004, 02:20
BTW, i may not be on much at all tomorrow or Saturday as i get married tomorrow and we are having a party Saturday.
Eh, like marriage is an excuse for not playing! 36 more years, no problem.
And, do you guys think if the ladder resets (if it ever does) any of you would be interested in running Europe? If it happens, I'm thinking of deleting my East account and setting up on Europe: From what I hear, the connection is better there than it is on East. I have around 60 ping here at East, but I figure Europe would be a better place for people who don't have as good ping. Second, I hear the people on Europe are polite and pretty good players. On East the dueling is filled with trash talking, and I even got called a hacker because someone didn't know that bone armor absorbed damage... I figure I can leave East/West alone, do SC/HC on Europe, and HC on Asia. Now all I need to do is convince my dad to let me play, and find a way to reach the top of the ladder with minimal effort!
Brought home new cable modem. Ping in Asia was pretty steady at 250 with the rare spike above 400. Looks like a tele-sorc will indeed be a viable option in Asia.
Was going to check ot the ping in Europe but forgot to do so. Yeah there are some pretty cool people from this forum playin in Eurpoe that I would love to play with sometime. Not sure if the time change would allow that except on weekends maybe.
I have really enjoyed playin with the group in Asia and am content to stay there but will galdly truck along to wherever this gang wants to play, whether Asia, Europe, East or West, Classic or LOD. I must admit that I have grown fond of classic tho. It is much simpler not having to factor in all the charms, runes, jewels, crafted stuff. Less variety mind you but a cleaner game, though I do miss the Druids and assassins as well. Unfortunately I will never have time to play this game in three realms, I don't even touch my East accounts now except for Team Dev.
Congratualtions on the wedding Sting, hope it all went as planned (I presume you won't drop in here till it is over, and sheesh you better not). Any chance of some pics posted sometime :D .
flashburn
11-06-2004, 21:14
Hey everyone its me again, TEB-FLASH, *goodalcoholics from asia. My computer had a quite a few viruses so I had to take it in for repairs and with finals and everything I just now was able to get some time on the computer. BUT when I went to reinstall D2 I noticed I was missing 2 of the classic disks. I have no money right now, nor do I know if its worth buying again, so unless I find a way to get the disks the next time I might be back is Septemberish.(None of my friends have the game)
Too bad Flash. Perhaps a second hand source can be located at a lower price? It's pretty cheap new now so should be real cheap 2nd hand as long as the key is good. Hope to see you round before fall.
Saw your Barb post Stinger. Sorry about that. Was that your first snap barb? I thought you were playing him last night or was that his reincarnation.
How's married life?
and what, no Honeymoon?????
All went well, and I found time to play a little each day but had things to do also to stay out of trouble!
Sting got tore down Saturday! I bought a pony keg as that way if enuff were drinking strongly it would empty at anearly hour as I didint intend to host 20+ past 7-8 pm, and then also if we didnt get a lot of strong drinker then there was still a possibility to float it by 10-12 or so.
I tapped it at 11 am, ofcourse I had to get the "flow" going and test it all out so I had abotu 6 beers before anyone showed at 2pm and I had decided I was not going to be bashfull with the beer! Anyway, we had more than enuff food and beverage and myself, my nephew, my brother and my son floated the keg at 10:30 at my house. My son is 18 rest were 21+ and the son had 3 beers so dont look at me crosseyed!
I did take a "fall" we were jokin around as normal, I leaned over from the top step of the patio to fill my beer and made a slam on my brothers fiance, and as I was coming back up I got light headed and she gave me this little shove/smack for the slam. Well the two together took my 11 hour drinking but to the ground from a (2) step height to the concrete pation! I would of been ok if everyone wasnt sitting right there but it was either fall on people, jump off porch and hop not to land wrong and break an ankle or just fall and take the hit. Well i fell, landed prepared, toook a deep breath, got up and went on. Felt fine with a few scuffs, but the next day i felt like a truck hit me! The hazards of a 12 hour drinking benge!
Ceremony went well but my 35 yr of wife turned into a giddy 16 yr old and I was accused of being to serious.
Nobody I play DII really know much about all this, but Her and I were 16/17 yr old parents to my son. We never got married, split off our own ways, things came complete circle and bam we are married after seeing and living with each other for about 3 yrs. My sons "dream" came true this weekend and he was pretty emotional about it. My grandmother sort of called this a fairytale come true deal and I guess it fits.
We are just enuff alike and just enuff different........It all should be great.
Now, as for DII......Europe ping isnt bad, but it isnt like East for me at all. Another East clan TRIDGE has came to Asia to play and we have been friendly towards them a long time. Some pretty serious fast lvling types and full time Classic types.
Reich.....i know many of them are nice, but watch out as a couple of them have started thier old crap again PKin and lame killing ppl. Two of them shady- and LMT-hardcore (leslie) are making bone necros and I am betting they have more than legit reason for them so watchout. At this point in time I will not game with any of them and they are refusing party to most TEBs and have made many threats. Frankly i think they are pissed becuase Ptown keeps smokin thier chicken hack using lame butts in duels and Bird and I refuse to duel them because they use chicken. Shady- is also oldskoo and uses chicken in duels. Leslie will play your frined and then screw ya......first female i met in this game that just loves to screw ppl over.
My ping in Asia has been much better....I may make a new sorc but it will have to be anew acct as TEB14 is full....I will let you all know if I do but that sorc gear sitting on a mule is just ticking me off sitting there unused.
TheCerberus
14-06-2004, 18:17
All hail Ptown for dueling them... he'd been complaining that they were too chicken to duel him, no they're using chicken. It's beautiful. He still has my Manald haha.
I have some volunteering work at the Red Cross coming up on Tues/Thursdays, and I'm getting drivers ed for my license but if I am "productive" maybe I can ask my dad to let me play it again. CD is a little scratched so I'm not sure if it'll install alright. Oldskoo used to go by Dirty with his char names right? He tried to TPPK me with a Blizz sorc, but it disappears. I laughed at him and left the game, no use giving him BO. JankDTank_Reich however is extremely nice, helped me lvl a lot. Tridge, doesn't someone at this forum go by that name? I've read some of his posts saying he plays Classic. Anyway, wedding sounded like fun Stinger, sorry about the barb. Kinda like what happened to my hammerdin... Almost 900 life, full, maxed rsists, and poof to Icefists' death nova thing. Have fun playing guys.
Nobody I play DII really know much about all this, but Her and I were 16/17 yr old parents to my son. We never got married, split off our own ways, things came complete circle and bam we are married after seeing and living with each other for about 3 yrs. My sons "dream" came true this weekend and he was pretty emotional about it. My grandmother sort of called this a fairytale come true deal and I guess it fits.
Wow, that is a great story. Thanks for sharing it. Best wishes for a long happy life together for you three. Cheers :drink:
Speaking of which...looking at the weekend activities it's clearer why you lost your barb :drink: :drink: :drink: (j/k)
Two of them shady- and LMT-hardcore (leslie) are making bone necros and I am betting they have more than legit reason for them so watchout. At this point in time I will not game with any of them and they are refusing party to most TEBs and have made many threats. Frankly i think they are pissed becuase Ptown keeps smokin thier chicken hack using lame butts in duels and Bird and I refuse to duel them because they use chicken. Shady- is also oldskoo and uses chicken in duels. Leslie will play your frined and then screw ya......first female i met in this game that just loves to screw ppl over.
Hmm...too bad I've played with Leslie a fair bit and thought she was one of the good Reich's. I worried about why she was makin her bugged naked pally
but gathered it was to take out a pking enchantress. She might have chose a more subtle name than "StrengthBugged" if she hoped to succeed though.
Is Ptown actually 1 hit killing them to get by chicken? With?
My ping in Asia has been much better....I may make a new sorc but it will have to be anew acct as TEB14 is full....I will let you all know if I do but that sorc gear sitting on a mule is just ticking me off sitting there unused.
Workin on sorc slowly, stuck painting almost all weekend so didn't get to play much.
Congrats on a wild weekend Sting and Hope you get back on soon Cerberus.
Speaking of Cerberus I think all your mules will be burnt in tonight.
Barb had nothign to do with alcokol it was just a strange thing. I rarely have less that 75 all ever but this guy I let run a bit low as I was low on needed gear.....I paid for it and I dont know if it even would of mattered as fast as e died.
Leslie had a TPPK Necro........after all the greif she was getting from most of the relm she claimed she wasnt going to PK anymore and even executed all her PKs. I dont know if it was all just a way to get us to trust here nad get kills again or what it was, but it didnt last. She claimed that Pally was to PKK with but she went after Holypooh one day, and trapped a TP for Ptown and that is all it took for me to get untrusting again.
I dont think Ptown has been able to kill any of them it is just a "beat em down and the chicken exit". It was funny one time I was looting and Ptonw made Shady- flux like 10 times then Shady- jumped him trying to BO and Ptwon exited and returned with almost no life and Shady- claimed victory on the whole contest! Amazing how illegit little dweebs can see victory in thier failures.
Congratulations Stinger :clap:
Glad everything went well this weekend. I saw you on this weekend, but didn't connect until I left that congratulations were in order.
Thanks for the WW tips Stinger. It seems to work much better than ...spin, hit, stop, mana gone. I shall stay in A3 Flayer and villages and work on it till I am only the second worst WW barb in Asia :lol:
When you get to Act 4 be VERY carfull when you are in the river near CS. Oblivs wonder outside many times.
Flayers is a WW Barbs lvlin gold mine!!! Little higher lvl do River and look for Mawfeins, Udars, Balrogs.........Maggots and spirits, and doomknights are not near as good exp......Also in City of the Damned those Tainted are probably the next best lvlin after Flayer and udars they are like 1 hit kills but make sure you have good LR there!
Speaking of Act IV and Tainted, I had a hard time last night getting down to the River with my sorc. Everything was pretty good until I got down into the City of the Damned. All the Tainted were Lightning Imune and was forced to use my LvL 1 F.Orb. Not to mention there seem to be at least 3 different Tainted Bosses. It was non-stop shoot a Orb, Run, shoot Orb, Run shoot Orb. One champion pack chased me all the way back up to the Plains. I should have died at least twice. Somebody was really looking out for me last night.
Anyways I guess that's all I got. Take care all.
Life can really be a ***** on those one element sorcs, at least you had the orb to throw. It pays to know or learn the immunities in areas and what difficulty so you dont get yourself in too much trouble!!! That little sorc of yours should be very good in Hell CS, only one immunity there and it is the spirits the rest will crumble for you, but along the way to that there are MANY LIs to deal with.
Don't know what level you are yet rathi, but in hell, arcane is a great place to level. That's where I leveled my zon a bunch. The only light immunes are the silly lightning towers. Tried a couple other areas, but one light immune group really slows down the run. I have to wait for my valk to kill most of the time. Every so often would try flayer, and it's good as long as you don't hit any soul flayers.
I seem to see Bird/Sting, Khianna and Holy in Asia but don't have anyone else f-listed that appears to be playing over in Asia anymore. Rathi, I need your second account please.
Any others playing over there. Please post your accounts so I can add you to my list. Starting public games is a bit of a nuisance with those rascally Reichs popping in and hostiling.
TEB-Don doesnt play a lot
TEB-Soul not there much but more lately
StingerHccDuke (my new sorc and any new ones I make barring a death)
Holy is on Child_of_pain and Child_of_pain2
PTown grrrr forgot his acct
l)eath is TEB-Solo the 87 Barb maybe 88
Dauthi_Hcc is Nate
Hungfarlow is still playing there
Anyone with a Tridge tag is ok, they tend to rub people a little wrong whit thier eleitest speak and over use of the word NOOB, but they arent out there to kill you. There are at least (3) of them running around a bit.
I thought Rathi still only has one act but I may be wrong.
As for Reich, thier true colors have finally been uncovered. They are simply lamers killing lvl 9's wiht lvl 86 FoH Pallys, trying to give bad TPs to low lvls and high lvls as well as using triggs and chicken hack. Now this doesnt include them all but it includes the ones who play there the most.
Cottonpicker
187.
lmt_hardcore
shady-
oldskoo
that list is at least some of the lame ones and doesnt include them all so I suggest you just dont get relaxed around any of them no matter how friendly they act as that is part of thier tactic.
I gather the level 86 is Knight-Reich who kept follwing my level 25 sorc around. Too silly.
Well I saw Rathi in a game but the Rathi_in_Asia account was offline. See Hungfarlow as well.
Who is Vampire...forget the rest. She partied for only a minute or two before Knight arrived. I noted she had cowed with you before, but wondered if she was just locating me to tip off Knight, but may have been a coincidence.
Howdy.
I am HungFarLow on aisa. (sounded like a good asian name to me lol)
Its a pleasure playing with you TEB fellas, its the main reason I hang around there. I have lots of high chrs and stuff on east hc ladder but have become bored with the game so I thought I'd try this classic asia stuff. Very diffrent and much harder. Lost 2 chrs that were near 60 account gettin cocky heh.
Them Riech guys are quite lame allright. Heres what happned to me:
I'm in a pub game with my level 10 barb wackin away at stuff, this level 1 comes in and right away says party party, ok so i party, then its tp tp tp, ok so i send a tp. He comes thru and says give items. I ignor him, he says give items please, I say no please. This goes on for a bit and he leaves.
Then right away 2 high level Riech dudes come in and ask to party. I'm like no thanks, they say common we will help you. I say you must think I'm as dumb as you look.
This seemed to upset them quite a bit LOL
Now in most games this level 8? dude comes in and hostles my now level 14 barb. I as him what his problem is and he says he hates me. Sheeesssss.
TheCerberus
17-06-2004, 19:55
TEB-Cuz's account would be *ptown_titan I think.
And not all Reich's are bad, I'll stand up for JankDTank_Reich anyday. Also, *thebheader, Dan, I read his profile and it looks like he hasn't rubbed off that well with some of you, but him and Jank helped lvl my barb a lot, and never did anything lame. Those two are pretty cool. I might install Diablo this weekend. Have fun playing guys.
Oh yeah, Viamede, it won't let me post because my account is activated at Diabloworld. Saw you post, don't know why I'm saying it though haha.
TEB-Cuz's account would be *ptown_titan I think.
Oh yeah, Viamede, it won't let me post because my account is activated at Diabloworld. Saw you post, don't know why I'm saying it though haha.
Too bad you could have made a funny. I think it's the only Classic thread left I could find. Most of the rare posts are plumb useless but thought I would troll around and see if any other friendlies are kickin around classic asia. I actually only posted there originally to respond to someone posting that TEB's and Reich's were pking in Asia to set the record straight. I gather you have found a Reich site??
Oh yeah and it was VampireHunter btw....remembered over lunch...doh....
TheCerberus
17-06-2004, 21:12
Yeah... majority of the thread from Asia. That would be surprising. A lot of the people from DiabloWorld don't realize they're posting in a Classic forum, so they ask if people have so and so rune for trade, it's a mess. I saw a poster here, Mert, I followed his berserker guide a little. I saw your post about the PKing also.
I haven't seen a Reich site yet, but I did see an IGN board. I think they gave up on Asia though.
I believe that Jank passed away recently. He's gray on the ladder page anyway. I also have *khianna1, but I only have 1 char on that account.
But it is a playing char.
Nevermind, I found it. Where were you posting about classic via?
Grrrr..... Signup is closed on that Diabloworld as I had a very nice:) long eventually :)totally spur of the moment post coming from the heart I wanted to post and cant!!
I cant stand it when ppl mistake TEB for PK. We have had other clans in the past make TEB tagged characters and PK but I dont think these Reich guys have done this yet.
It is a shame the few bad apples have to destroy it as there are many of them I like, but I have a very hard stance on not running wiht PKing clans regardless of wether they all do or not. I have found that normally if someone belongs to a clan that PKs but doesnt, eventually they will and I dont want to expose my people to that and show them that i trust them.
Like i have said many times, I will game alone instead of gaming with assholes and if it gets to the point i am all that is left than that is fine, but I am sure I will not be alone as there are plenty of people that dont like assholes they just dont normally take the hard stance as I do and voice it.
I refuse party with ANY Reich, and unfortunately this includes the nice ones.
Too bad you guys couldn't sign-up. I only did so about a month ago. Well it seems to be dying a slow death there anyway. Heck 4 or 5 posts in day would have set a record for the year.
I wish they would give up on Asia. If there are no public games then perhaps they will.
Hello everybody. *Rathi-In-ASIA is the only acct I play with on asia. I do have a mule but I never play with it. I have gone back to East last weekend and played there for a little bit. Most of my characters were expired, but thats ok cause they were SC. And I doubt I will EVER go back to that!!!!
Ohhh...I also spent a day in Europe a few weeks ago too. There were a few full games and it felt like a good atmosphere. But it was only 1 day.
My East acct is *Rathi77 and my Europe is *EuroRathi
I was planning on going back to East full time after I lost my last two characters to lag. But I've finally got my new pc and lag is nowhere near as bad as it was for me. No more disconnects going between Acts, it's been heaven. So I'm here to stay!!!
I did have to divide my time though. My Ex stunned me and bought me an Xbox for Father's Day. 007 (My daughter) informed me of the purchase and I convinced my Ex to give it to me early. So I've been playing alot of Soul Calibur 2 and Knights of the Old Republic. Also I'm looking to buy Final Fantasy XI hopefully this weekend or the next. My brother and a few other friends are already online with it and have a 3 month jump on me.
Anyways, I guess I'll stop running out the mouth and find something else to kill these last 2 hours of work. Take care all.
TheCerberus
17-06-2004, 22:23
I've got plans for Asia, as soon as I get back on. My East account wil be given to some random person I talked to in East. He was pretty interested in getting started in dueling, and was really polite while watching some people duel. He doesn't even use the word noob, so I'll give my stuff to him. Now for Asia:
SC Ladder Runner Hammerdin.
HC Ladder Runner Hammerdin.
HC Ladder Runner Javazon/Cower
SC Magic Find Orb Sorc.
SC Dueling Bonemancer
SC Dueling Speeder
HC LLD Sacadin/Charger/Zealot
HC Enchantress
I might be a little daring and duel with the HC Hammerdin, just to see if a hammer can get by chicken.
Damn dude! going from parents wont let me play as I have other things that need done to having this many seems like a quick way back to the no gaming position again!
Classic Hammers could hit 7k without maxing HS and that is 1167 PvP correct? Or are thery considered minions in PvP and get a different mod? I dont see them beating chickenhack unless someone is sub 1167 life, or has thier chicken set low.
I suggest you dont give away your East acct, there is no telling how long everyone will stay in Asia. Things are thinning a bit from the original crowd that went over. i have no intentions of leaving any time soon.
An EX gets you an xbox??? That is an impressive gift for Fathersday and then to convince her to give it early......hum......you two must be on good terms which is nice.
Unfortunately I dont see much of anyhting getting past chicken in Classic dueling unless they just have it set low. So with that said I dont see me dueling any of them any time soon.
Rathi: I'll check your account in my list. Sounds like you have a new addiction on it's way. I can never get a handle on those controllers.
Cerberus: How ambitious. I have no Ladder Runners...just Ladder Fillers. What is a Speeder...perhaps an BofS Assassin w MA?
TheCerberus
17-06-2004, 23:56
Nah... Ladder Runner for me is over 85, and then chill out for a while. Ladder Runner zon on Asia, means lvl 65. Have you seen the top 16 zon ladder? Don't worry, it takes forever for me to lvl my characters, after about 20 CS runs I'm done, gets boring if you don't know anyone.
And a speeder is a really fast barb.
TheCerberus
17-06-2004, 23:56
Nah... Ladder Runner for me is over 85, and then chill out for a while. Ladder Runner zon on Asia, means lvl 65. Have you seen the top 16 zon ladder? Don't worry, it takes forever for me to lvl my characters, after about 20 CS runs I'm done, gets boring if you don't know anyone.
And a speeder is a really fast barb. And this is when ladder resets if it does.
Speeder...ok makes sense....thought you were going expansion..
Ladder reset....hope to see you before then....
Yes I was sittin dead somewhere on the zon ladder (not near top 16 by any means but Khianna should be getting up there). Necro ladder is about as soft. Clearly they are either more difficult in classic or less popular or both.
Well, with no Merc a Necro becomes more difficult. My New P&B Necro is basically minionless and he is fairly tuff to quest solo but I get it done. Got to love that Confuse and my little 1 point Revive and 1 Point CE as those are what makes it tick! When he hits a higher lvl it wont really matter much as I should be with people most of the time anyway.
Skellies dont kill much in Hell in big games, they just dont do the damage so lvling solo is really slow, and then in CS many people gripe about your skelly lag and then the Necro ends up dead because he has 40 points invested that nobody wants him to use. Personally I say bullchit, get behind the moving wall of bones and kills stuff and nobody dies!
Views on attract vs. confuse. I read attract is preferred as it cannot be overwritten so you can attract one monster then amp the rest.
Yeah the Ex and I are still really good friends, actually I think we can say we're best friends still. We've known each other since highschool, worked together, blah blah. We both know we're both better off as friends and neither of us try to cross that line anymore...lol. It always ends up bad. And since my daughter lives with me full time, damn right I better get an Xbox, or equivalent!!!!
It's funny you mention that Via cause it's hard for me to get used to mouse and keyboard controls. FRUSTRATING!!!!! You know I never thought to see, but is D2 controller compatible? I'll check when I get home, I doubt it though.
Well, that is one minor issue I have with Attract. Since you get 10 things beating on one it doesnt do much good to amp the other 10! Now id IM was as good as it use to be than attract becomes more likeable.
Confuse does a number of things I like. First everything starts hitting each other and not me