Legal or not?

[CaptainWicket]

When I need to mule, I log on 2 computers (I installed the game with different cd-keys) with the same account. Is that legal to have 2 characters from the same account in the same game?

[xeyloderixed]

yes

10 chars

[det]

I only find that sometimes I drop more often from my mule games when both PCs are on the same acc.

IIRC somebody posted that he couldn't get 3 PC's on the same acc/Router working...not sure about that however

[stevethatsmyname]

yeah my friend does the whole 2x character on same account thing and gets dropped allll the time when they are both in the same game.

What i dont know is whether it drops less if both chars are im the same game, but on different accounts.

[repoarto]

I have been in games, where 6 chars was from same account :D

You just have to enter the game one by one, not in the same time. We called those games, runenuns hehe

-Arto-

[det]

I definitely drop less, if not at all when I use two different accounts.....

[Bongo Fury]

Technically, you're cheating. As per the B-net TOUA you're not allowed to have two simultaneous connections to B-net.
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4. Your Use of Battle.net.

A. You are entitled to use Battle.net for your own personal use, but you shall not be entitled to

(xvii) create or maintain, under any circumstance, more than one simultaneous connection to Battle.net. All such connections to Battle.net, whether created by Blizzard software products or by other tools and utilities, may only be made through methods and means expressly approved by Blizzard Entertainment. Under no circumstances may you connect or create tools that allow you to connect to Battle.net's private binary interface or interfaces other than those explicitly provided by Blizzard Entertainment for public use;
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There is similar language in the D2/LoD EULA, but some people argue that this only applies to the CD key not the individual (I disagree). But the TOUA has nothing to do with keys.

Most people ignore this, and many use multiple computers for all sorts of purposes. But technically, it's cheating.

[hc_ugajeremy]

BNet doesn't care about IP's .. only cd-keys. And "simultaneous connection' is fairly open ended.

[kardinaal]

Most people ignore this, and many use multiple computers for all sorts of purposes. But technically, it's cheating.

No, technically it's a crime :D

[repoarto]

Im not sure, but i ask is it crime that i happen to have 2 bought diablo II & lord of destuctions. If i use same account with those 2 games of mine, am i cheating? Or is it really crime?^^ I have two computers in my place and of course i use both when i needed to :) at the moment i have friends laptop right beside me and it have also original diablo II lord of destruction and its running also.. hehe so i have 3 chars from same account in same game hehehehehe

-Arto-

[det]

Of course I also use 2 copies with different CD keys, both bought and totally legal. So why should I not be allowed to connect with both copies at the same time?

Each copy has its own licence agreement, so I use 2 licenses..don't I? That means 2 ppl can play, one with each copy. They just happen to play from the same household.

[hc_ugajeremy]

Of course I also use 2 copies with different CD keys, both bought and totally legal. So why should I not be allowed to connect with both copies at the same time?

Each copy has its own licence agreement, so I use 2 licenses..don't I? That means 2 ppl can play, one with each copy. They just happen to play from the same household.

"All such connections to Battle.net, whether created by Blizzard software products or by other tools and utilities, may only be made through methods and means expressly approved by Blizzard Entertainment."

I would venture to guess that this is the stipulation that keeps owners of mulitple copies in the clear. Blizzard doesn't say you can't buy more of their product.. what business would ever like to have more money. :lol:

[kurg]

To the original poster:

Yes, you can do it, although blizz may someday change it w/o warning.

I've noticed that one of the two connections will get booted if you both are in the chat-zone. In other words, if you select a char but don't join a game, and then go to the other computer and select a 2nd char from the same account, the first one will get booted, and you'll have to re-log in again.

But as long as no more than 1 char is in the chat-zone at any given time (from the same account) you're ok.

Also, getting booted for 5-minutes by switching chars too fast (you self-mulers know all about this problem) can also happen. But as long as a second character is IN a game already, they can continue to stay in the game. Once that character leaves, they will be 5-minute banned as well. (in fact your whole IP address gets banned). So if your one char gets banned, pick up everything on the ground with your second char before exiting the game. (note: This changed the other day and my 2nd char didn't get banned but I don't know if that's a recent global change or just a server glitch).

[Bongo Fury]

Of course I also use 2 copies with different CD keys, both bought and totally legal. So why should I not be allowed to connect with both copies at the same time?Becaus it's a rule Blizzard established, and you agreed to follow when you accepted the EULA and TOUA. Like I said earlier, it can be argued that the EULA applies only to CD keys (I disagree). But the B-net TOUA has nothing to do with a CD key, or even the specific game itself.
"Blizzard hereby grants, and by using Battle.net you thereby accept, a limited, personal, non-exclusive license and right to use Battle.net using either a home, work or portable computer."
It's a personal license tied to the individual, not a CD key. You are granted the license and the tool you use to make the connection to B-net is a home, work or portable computer (singular), and the relevant Blizzard software.
Each copy has its own licence agreement, so I use 2 licenses..don't I? That means 2 ppl can play, one with each copy. They just happen to play from the same household.Two people, with two separate keys, playing from the same address is perfectly legal. Each person only has one connection to B-net. But one person playing those same two machines is cheating.

Like I said, technically it's cheating. But in a world where there's trigger PK's and Chickenhacks and Dupes and Grabit, using multiple computers by one individual is trivial. Personally, I'm on dial up and I can't do it myself, but I've certainly benefited from it with others. So I'm just as guilty of this offense as most. But technically, it's cheating.

[det]

Ooooh..my head is spinning..I guess that is why you need lawyers.. :lol: ...but thanks for the insight here. Actually a lot of it could be anticipated, as we know that Blizzard does not even approve of muling.

[squigipapa]

Two people, with two separate keys, playing from the same address is perfectly legal. Each person only has one connection to B-net. But one person playing those same two machines is cheating.


What if it's one person playing, but they have multiple personalities?
What about Simieze twins?
What about clones, Technically they're the same person.
What if it's one person, playing on 2 seperate computers, with 2 seperate characters, in 2 seperate games because they need the challange because blizzard made 1.10 too easy?

[/Retardedness] :)

[kurg]

Becaus it's a rule Blizzard established, and you agreed to follow when you accepted the EULA and TOUA.

Actually, I crossed off the stuff I didn't like when I bought the game, and added this - and mailed a copy to blizz:


Handwritten modifications to the EULA as documented here will be considered acceptable to Blizzard Entertainment unless Blizzard Entertainment responds otherwise in writing to the undersigned within 30 days.

So I'm clear! They never wrote back! :)

Seriously, its just a contract. And a contract is a 2-way negotiation, don't ever let a company tell you otherwise.

Also:
11. Limitations on License. Nothing in this License Agreement shall
preclude You from making or authorizing the making of another copy
or adaptation of the Program provided, however, that (1) such new
copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in your
utilization of the Program in accordance with the terms of this
License Agreement and for NO OTHER PURPOSE; or (2) such new copy or
adaptation is for archival purposes ONLY and all archival copies are
destroyed in the event of your Transfer of the Program, the
Termination of this License Agreement, or other circumstances under
which your continued use of the Program ceases to be rightful.

Blizz officially acknowledges your right to make a back-up copy of the game.

[monad]

I have 3 comps on a lan, 3 seperate keys in 3 seperate rooms. you just gave me the ammo to make my wife and kid move out! no more playing together till they have their own residence! :howdy: