Chicken

[The_Animus]

I'd like to start by saying that I don't condone the use of programs which give you an unfair advantage over other players. I dislike programs such as Maphack, Bot programs, Pickit and trigger.

However, because blizz chooses to do nothing about TPPK despite them being able to, I feel it is ok to use Chicken only for the purpose of not dying to TPPK'ers. I don't support it's use to exit the game when you lose so much life, thus avoiding deaths from monsters, but I do support its hostile-leave game feature because of the TPPK issue.

There is no way to avoid TPPK aside from not playing with other people, which is rediculous. Why should I be punished because others are cheating?

EDIT: Took out reference to 3rd party program.

[Stimm]

First of all youd better get your thermo suit cuz its gonna get hot real fast. Your best bet to avoid TPPK is to find a group of trusting friends and play with them. If you use chicken you will get banned from bnet. So take your pick

[The_Animus]

If I get banned then I'm done with Blizzard. I have no intention of my game experience being diminished by their stupidity. They know a problem exists. They can fix the problem. They choose not to.

Also friends aren't on. And again I shouldn't be limited to just playing with a few friends. I'm not the one doing something wrong, so why should I be the one punished?

[baalos]

It does not.
I'm not sure that Dii.net supports this kind of thread, but I've had trouble finding it and I'm really getting annoying doing baal runs and worrying that I will die at any moment without any control whatsoever.
5. Thou Shalt Not Pimp or aid the Pimping of hacks and Cheats. Hacks and Cheats are 3rd party programs that allow you to alter the way a player interacts with a game. This includes, but not restricted to Maphack and Pindlebot. We do not support the use of these. You may not ask for help in creating a hack/cheat, a link to where you can find one, provide a link to where people can download one. However, the morality of using these programs is sometimes discussed and we allow these [within reason], unless it violates any other rule.

[terrymanning]

Please consider editing your post and removing all references to 3rd party modules. Regardless of tppk, nothing has done more to destroy the spirit of hardcore than chicken.

TM

[minion]

Just do what we all do, watch your ***.

If you see a necro in a game, be suspicious and try to stay off to the side or as far away as possible. Or simple don't leave town.

If you see a suspiscious zon do the same, although zons are not used as often because of the low damage... Some use them for surprise tactics and go for guys with low hp, res, and block.

[HAMC8112]

Well the guy is still young or i should say has a low postcount so we will forgive him this time i suppose...

[STINGER]

Personally I have no problem with Chicken hostile for the very reason with TPPK. I dont and wont use it and it has also hurt legit PKing also which personally I dont like much anyway.

As I understand it is very possible to use maphack and only turn on the hostile function. i use to use MH and it was always pretty customizable allowing you to shut off many things. I wont tell ya how to get it but I am sure you can search for it.

Furthermore......If it were possbile to get every person on the relm to employ Chicken Hostile for a month just to screw these TPPkers for a bit i would gladly jump on the bandwagon!!!

The unfortunate problem with TPPK is there are many ways to avoid it, but none of them are either legit, or intended to be what we are suppose to do. This game should be playable in public without fear of this crap.

Your little panzy buddies with the trigs are reading this thread and giggling like little school girls while the get off on it also. Funny thing is they cry about chicken but they made it something people want with thier supidity.

It is a damn shame that the few always screw up the good things because they cant hack it playing a simple game the right way. Truely pathetic.....

[NightShade]

Rather neat and tidy excuse isn't it? Oh the big bad Tornado druid is tppking in games, I have a reason to get map hack!.

Oh? You mean if I didn't just do baal runs that I wouldn't get tppked? Oh well that's crazy. I just use the MH to make sure that I don't get jipped. Well, I'll just keep the map function on to speed things up...Er, well that waypoint trick might get me, better keep the chicken on full time...

etc. If you don't want to be tppk'ed, there's a module out there that I wont mention that detects auto aim. Doesn't affect legit pkers such as myself (well, my former self) nor does it let you escape your own idiocy in PvM

[Unholy_VI]

The unfortunate problem with TPPK is there are many ways to avoid it, but none of them are either legit, or intended to be what we are suppose to do. This game should be playable in public without fear of this crap.

Your little panzy buddies with the trigs are reading this thread and giggling like little school girls while the get off on it also. Funny thing is they cry about chicken but they made it something people want with thier supidity.

It is a damn shame that the few always screw up the good things because they cant hack it playing a simple game the right way. Truely pathetic.....

Well said all of it Stinger.

One thing i disagree with is that people were using chickenhack/hostile long before TPPKers were the problem that they are now.

Other than that yeah. Why flame this guy for wanting to use chicken hostile in his baalrun games to protect himself against a cheater? If Blizzard isn't going to step to the plate and do something about this why shouldn't he? Sure he can let the TPPKers run him out of public games like some suggested. He can quit every Baalrun that has a zon or a necro in it sure. but why not just use the same program the Cheaters are using to kill him to protect himself from them?

How is that wrong?

as long as he doesn't slide inot the chickenhack thing where you autoexit if your life gets low I see no problem in it. You people ought to get off his back. To me this is a perfectly reasonable thing to do until blizz gets around to doing something about this TPPK thing.

PS: Don't hold your breath waiting. it took them forever to get rid of Hydra PKing

[viamede]

Well it is a cheat to respond to a cheat. Two wrongs blah blah blah...

Does seem like a slippery slope though. "I'll just put in on to get past the gloams because well their buggy and Blizzard shoulda nerfed em down by now anyway" etc.

I guess if your strong willed and disciplined maybe you won't fall down the well, but for most of us it's just a step away from ruining your gaming experience.

[baalos]

Why flame this guy for wanting to use chicken hostile in his baalrun games to protect himself against a cheater?

How is that wrong?


Posting requesting a link to cheat sites or hacks is wrong, See rule #5.

[rachil0]

I agree with stinger on all counts (gasp). TPPK is wrong, chicken/hostile counters it. It unfortunately also breaks pking altogether... which the users of chicken likely intend but I wish it didn't do (as an "on the side" pker myself). I may not use it, but if I meet a player on bnet that uses chicken hostile so he doesn't get TP hacked, I certainly don't give them any crap about it.

Chicken life is a different story. I think thats lame. :rant:

I'd be much richer if I used it!

[NeoHydragen]

I'd be much richer if I used it!

You'd also be playing softcore with a red name if you used it.

[kurg]

How about a chicken module that activates for 5 seconds following a 'hostile', and then disables itself after 5 seconds?

That would achieve what blizz claimed they wanted for the hostile function (but were too incompetent to program). And it would still allow legit pk's to operate.

I know it would still be a hack, but this is a hypothetical situation, and its sole purpose would be to cancel the effect of another hack. To me a hack that does nothing but negate another hack is pretty innocuous --- because it wouldn't be needed if blizz knew how to program decently. Think of it as similar to the hack that prevented the 'drop/timeout bug' where people were illegitimately pk-ing innocents.

[Unholy_VI]

Posting requesting a link to cheat sites or hacks is wrong, See rule #5.

true that Baalos but since he went ahead and edited out that part this thread turned into a philisophical discussion about whether its ok to use chicken hostile to prevent being TPPKd which is where I'm sayngi get off his case.

[baalos]

Ah OK. I didnt see his edit. I never go back and read the whole thread again, just the last posts. The world is good again.true that Baalos but since he went ahead and edited out that part this thread turned into a philisophical discussion about whether its ok to use chicken hostile to prevent being TPPKd which is where I'm sayngi get off his case.

[Bongo Fury]

If you use Chickenhack, for whatever reason, you're a cheater. And really, you're just playing SC with a character who has a red name.

If TPPKs are really a game breaker for you, might I suggest playing HC with a tan named character. I have been doing this myself lately. With the demise of GAT East I have started playing with some folks on West. Unfortunately, most of them play SC. So I have been playing SC hardcore style. And it is amazing the difference from HC. PKs of all sorts, be they TPPK or the mythical 'legit' PK, are almost nonexistant. In several months of HCSC on west I have been hostiled twice, both times it was people screwing around right before they left the game. I have seen absolutely NO PK activity. Apparently all the griefers play HC. So unless you're out to impress people with your high level HC character (and you can build one of those in a few days without ever killing a monster yourself anyway), playing HC in SC is a refreshing change. And a glimpse of what this game could be like if we didn't have to suffer with Blizzard's decision to implement forced PvP.

[terrymanning]

With the demise of GAT East I have started playing with some folks on West.

I moved to West a while back. Still playing HC though. Let me know if you ever want to play. Don't know if you remember or not but I played a couple of times with you in GAT Friends on East.

TM

[Ka0s047]

Pk is also pointless in SC. It has no effect on them perminantly. So why would they want to pk in sc? Of corse we get all the greifers, because they want what they do to have a perminant affect. It is not satisfying if they hit escape and can run back down to there body and go right back to playing...

[Silkweed]

"If in order to defeat the monster, you must become the monster, then the monster won."

[Mr.Bogohossian]

If you use chicken you will get banned from bnet.
I disagree, I strongly believe blizz is going to nothing about it.
Now not that i support chicken, i mean if this tppk thing is pissing you off that much and bothering you that much than maybe softcore is right for you.

[Kdawg]

Here's my situation:

I usually play only with friends or solo on sc. I've never heard of this and am only aware of it now that I read this post. Could someone explain it to me, because I have just started a decent hc pally and don't want to go through hc only to have my first experience with hardcore spoiled by a hacker.

[Cleglaw_Himself]

Tppk = when a character, mainly a necro using bonespirit, or a zon using ?guided arrow or a druid using tornado decides to shoot the relevant missile in your direction and then tp to town and hostile in a few milliseconds so all the missiles hit you, killing you pretty much instantly in the case of a necro.

A true nightmare for high lvl chars in hc. That's why I don't play with necros or zons anymore.

Hostile chickenhack = a modification of maphack similar to the damn chicken-using-cheaters in dueling games, where you instantly exit on being hostiled.
Its always fun to find the ppl who use this, and constantly hostile them as soon as they rejoin the game.

[xXxjayxXx]

heres my veiw. DO WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT. you get banned. thats your fault. bnet will never be perfect. and if it was we would prolly be payin monthly for it like EQ. so ya, if you wanna take a chance and use mh,chicken, or even bot. do it, its on you. everyone else can piss and moan about it. :grrr:

/jay

[Unholy_VI]

"If in order to defeat the monster, you must become the monster, then the monster won."

You must be a liberal becuase all liberals think in bumper stickers. :lol:

Seriously though. there are too many exceptions to that rule for it to be true. I don't think that when society started arming certin citizens to deal with armed criminals that the criminals 'won' anything.

and keep in mind that what we consider the free world where we have the right to pretty much invent ourselves into whatever we want and can have discussions like this exists solely becuase we make it a point to keep ourselves better armed than the people who would like to take these freedoms from us. I hardly equate that to those people winning either.

Also I guess by the logic of that post if someone murders a bunch of people at random and society puts that person to death then society is as much the monster as the murderer.

Maybe you think that way. I know a lot of people who do. But it's wrong as are most sweeping generalizations. they keep you from using your brain to look at the specifics of a situation. I wouldn't consider anyone on this forum who made a bone necro and went to baalruns TPPKing people who were there to TPPK the other players on anywhere near the same level as the pkers they put out of business.

Here is a bumper stick for you to consider:

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. :drink:

[baalos]

I always liked :Visualize Wurld Peas

[BILLY]

If you used chicken, you would just be using another hack which im my opinion is just as bad as the tppk. If you can't handle playing hc without resorting to hacks like chicken, then maybe you should think about playing sc. If you enjoy hc for the challenging gameplay then there are ways to avoid tppk without using chicken. You just have to be patient and avoid the power lvl runs, take it a little slower and enjoy the questing. If you feel the need for the fast lvl runs, get a group of friends or trustworthy people together to do them. It may be a slower way of playing, but it won't get you killed and you don't have to be a hacker.

[stevethatsmyname]

regarding the original topic: "chicken"... I just looooove chicken! Glad to find another chicken enthusiast! Chicken breast, chicken thighs, chicken liver, they are all awesome!

[repoarto]

My advise is:

If you want somewhat fast progress and want to use public games to it, use mulepark games :D there is lots of folk who arent doing anything. Lots of exp and just for you. i got from level 12 to 17 in one arcane cleaning, did some twinking thou to get full sigons on.

And i think norm baal goes with same method. My bro has once heared hostile bell when he was in act 1 stash. 24 level pally was trying to find him ^^

Then in higher levels in nm and hell, take some act 1-2 game, they are going to spend some time in there, and level up in your own private place alone or with friend(i had one friend and we did this alot) and sometimes if those other players didnt take stress out of us being in separate party, we usually helped some after we did our run. Lots of good drops and not grabbers, tppking, sometimes hostile bell rings but your location is different than the others and usually you are safe. well once we saw(my barb and my friends barb, i think it was 1.09 times when pk came worldstonekeep 2 wp and saw us boing there. went town and hostile.. but didnt ever come down? wonder why... hehe 98 and 9x level ww barbs wating at wp?^^ here kitty kitty kitty..we tried to flame a bit .. but out of succes...

-Arto-

[Haplon]

It's a game do whatever gives you enjoyment. I can see some of the folk on this forum becoming monks to avoid the evil trappings of the world in order to achieve spiritual enlightenment. I guarantee that by using chicken hostile you will not become a societal deviant and will actually be able to have a gaming experience closer to what Blizzard intended for the game.

[viamede]

regarding the original topic: "chicken"... I just looooove chicken! Glad to find another chicken enthusiast! Chicken breast, chicken thighs, chicken liver, they are all awesome!

Man o' Man...Wade Boggs on our little forum....

Hey Wade :wave:

[Bongo Fury]

terry:
Hey there, how ya been? My account on west is *Bongo-Fury. I have both regular HC characters and SC/HC characters. I'm not playing much anymore, but look for me whenever you're on and maybe we can share a game again.

Ka0s047:
Exactly my point. Playing a HC character in SC is refreshingly PK, and other griefer, free. They can't really hurt you so you're not even pestered by them. So there's no need to run back to town to wait them out, or Alt-F4 whenever you see some BS's coming your way. There's no difference in the game between SC and HC, other than the way you react to death. It doesn't matter if your character's name is red or tan, just how you play once you've died. So why not choose to play where the griefers are scarce? Granted, it's tough to delete your first character when it dies, but it get's easier to move on and rebuild, just like regular HC.

[NightShade]

The only difference is the community, which now are pretty much equal....useless softies coming into Hc...time was I could drive em back..but not anymore *mumble*

[Balrog431]

The Animus first off, you are in your right to do "whatever" you want if its in your own house, your own game, your own pc, however you should know better that 99% of Hc ppl on the forums here are purists and even hearing the word hack, cheat, dupe they will jump on you like flys on poop.

I dont see how ppl come on to Hc forums and start saying "sorrry if I did this wrong or, apologize to ppl they dont even know in real life," this is classic teenage BS, trying to fit in, trust me you will grow up, and trust me its better making your OWN desicions.

Dont bother getting anyones sympathy , especialy online!! This is stuff for the weak.

Secondly you are WITHIN your RIGHT to counter anything that is interupting your pursuit for pleasure by any means nessasary, why should you play in private games with limited ppl? That ruins half if not all of the multiplayer experience, while letting the PK'ers WIN!! Their are VERY< VERY< few legit pkers out their, the rest use scripts such as "tppk"

Just keep playing the game its a fun game if you dont let it control your life.

And second NEVER say hax in here, you'll get banned before you can say blueberry pie lol.

Oh one last thing I do not think its within blizzards limit to counter these potential loopholes, because obviously EVERY multiplayer game is plagued with some sort of cheaters, need I mention Counter Strike anyone???

First person shooters are one of the worst infested cheating games out their, because of their fast pace action. Anyway have fun with d2, hc for life!!!

[Unholy_VI]

99% of Hc ppl on the forums here are purists and even hearing the word hack, cheat, dupe they will jump on you like flys on poop.

Oh one last thing I do not think its within blizzards limit to counter these potential loopholes, because obviously EVERY multiplayer game is plagued with some sort of cheaters, need I mention Counter Strike anyone???


This was a nice post.

I disagree strongly with your 99% statement though. Most people here have maphack and use it. Almost all the duelers for sure since they always are able to tell yuo exactly what equipment the guy they beat or lost to has. Probobly most of the uber rich though they will never admit to it and say something like 'nooblar its mah mad 5killz! ur just jealous!'

That's my perception anyhow.

your last point is dead on though. Its not Blizzards fault we cheat at their game. its our fault as a community. blizz has put a hell of a lot of work into making this a hackfree cheat free game and people just can't accept the idea that if they want to cheat there is a whole open realm for them to cheat in to their hearts contenct and the closed realms are supposed to be for purists who just want to actually play the game.

If you play a game with your friends like chess or monopoly or backgammon and someone cheats do you fire off a nasty email at the person who invented the game for not making it impossible for some who wants to cheat to do so?

People cheat at poker all the time. I don't see anyone demanding that the inventor of the game change the rules to make cheating impossible, or blaming that person for the cheating.

the future doesnt look any better. there is only so much a company can do with an MMORPG serverside. some interaction must take place on the user's computer and this will alwys be vulnerable to client and script type progams. SO i'm thinking unless the mindset of the community of online games as a whole drastically changes every game will be more of the same that you see here. :drink:

[terrymanning]

Oh one last thing I do not think its within blizzards limit to counter these potential loopholes, because obviously EVERY multiplayer game is plagued with some sort of cheaters, need I mention Counter Strike anyone???

First person shooters are one of the worst infested cheating games out their, because of their fast pace action. Anyway have fun with d2, hc for life!!!

Odd you should mention CS. That's the reason I picked up D2 again. It got to the point where I felt I was the only one who wasn't using aimbot and wall hack. Unreal Tournament was almost as bad. I used to love to play the Instagib mod, but it got old when half the people were using aimbot.

You can't blame Blizzard for negligence. Maybe lack of foresight, but not negligence. Remember the saying “locks keep honest men honest”. The flip side to that is they only slow down thieves. I believe Blizzard made a fair effort the keep the game hack free. Thieves just found a way around the locks. Blizzard should however, fix the locks once they are broken (i.e., trigger, chicken, etc.).

TM

[Tearmaker]

It would actually be insanely easy for Blizzard to fix this. Make all spells/attacks disappear when you take a TP, which they should anyways. There. Problem solved.

However, it's important to remember that Blizzard doesn't give a **** about D2 anymore.