View Full Version : What if you use mods?
Mr_Addict
23-11-2004, 12:04
Hi!
I usually play on b.net, but I play SP (rarely), but only mods (drop mods, Vikings etc. )... Is it possible to trade these items here?
Thx in advance
Mr_addict
AlterEgo
23-11-2004, 15:05
Excellent question, but I'd like to wait just a bit to answer.
The forum was just created, and we are preparing a "Trading Guide" & FAQ at this moment. Your question will certainly be covered there.
Shagsbeard
23-11-2004, 15:59
I don't have AE's self restraint... nor responsability... so I'll give you my answer. I'd have it so that you would be welcome to trade so long as you tell people what mods you use, and how you got your items each and every time you traded. What you do on your own time is up to you... just don't come here and lie about it. You seem to be quite open about the fact that you play a modified game... and that's great. Just expect that quite a few people here will refuse to trade with you. It's up to you and the people you trade with... and none of my buisiness what you do. Just keep it honest and open and no one will have a problem with you.
bradley_turner
23-11-2004, 16:57
if you use a mod you should put a disclaimer at the top of your post saying what mods you use
Mr_Addict
23-11-2004, 17:23
@bradley_turner: I wil.. If you tell me how to!
@Shagsbeard: Hmm.. I cant see why people should refuse to play with me, because I use mods is single player. Single player and Battle.net is completely different, and I can assure you that I hate haxxors... I usually tell them to use that is SP! Trust me, I would never dream about hacking in b.net, but in Single Player, you make the rules, you decide to hack or not, and you decide to use mods.. or not. IMO single player is a place where I can try stuff, I cant use on B.net! Anyway, if you choose to play "standard" diablo SP, thats ok... I just like a little variety = I use mods...
I cant see why THAT should offend someone.. When I know how to put disclaimer on top of my profile, I'll do it, and people can decide if they want to trade with me or not! If the rules say I CANT trade modded items here, then I wont..
Thx for your opinion though!
@AlterEgo: Im in no hurry.. I'll read it when its done.. Just to know if you allow mod-trading here, you'll discover that there are 100's of mods... Might make this place a bit... you know.. hard-to-see-whats-what..!
Let me ends this by saying: I play mods to get variety, not to offend anyone or by any means break the rules. I dont use anything (MH, AA, mods etc.) on B.net!
Regds
Mr_addict
[E D I T] Just read the rules.. No surprise really! Except for the rune thing: Why? I mean you can trade them on the realms trade forums, and no matter how many days you keep a HR, it may still be a dupe..
Anyway, this looks good! Looking forward to using these forums!
Hi!
I usually play on b.net, but I play SP (rarely), but only mods (drop mods, Vikings etc. )... Is it possible to trade these items here?
Thx in advance
Mr_addict
Personally i wouldn't like to see these kind of trades happen. Before we know what hit use we could be flushed with people coming here to trade their items coming from Drop mods, Mods, etc. Heck maybe they will even come here to trade their hacked items. Sure a big tag informing us of that will keep (most) of us away, but I definetly don't wanna see these kind of trades happen at all
How many people do we have coming to the SPF thinking its a Hack-All, Cheat-All place? How many of those will come here? Just something to think about.
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@Shagsbeard: Hmm.. I cant see why people should refuse to play with me, because I use mods is single player. Single player and Battle.net is completely different, and I can assure you that I hate haxxors... I usually tell them to use that is SP! Trust me, I would never dream about hacking in b.net, but in Single Player, you make the rules, you decide to hack or not, and you decide to use mods.. or not. IMO single player is a place where I can try stuff, I cant use on B.net! Anyway, if you choose to play "standard" diablo SP, thats ok... I just like a little variety = I use mods...
Right, 'nuff said.
nethervoid
23-11-2004, 18:37
If you're moding or using an item pack, what's the point of trading anyway? Just make the item you need.
factotum
23-11-2004, 18:45
Coming to a forum devoted to people who play almost exclusively Single Player and saying that SP is pretty much just a testing ground for Battle.NET isn't going to win you any friends...
silospen
23-11-2004, 19:27
If you're moding or using an item pack, what's the point of trading anyway? Just make the item you need.
A mod is a different version of the game. So its like playing diablo 2 where all the grass is pink. Thus, just like in the original diablo 2, it is very possible to create items. However, one doesnt, for the same reason one doesnt create items in the original diablo 2 (destroys the actual gameplay etc).
ricrestoni
23-11-2004, 19:30
Now how would you feel if I hacked on Bnet to make tons of runes and TC87s, and told you I was just testing it to play my own SP game? You would find it weird, since you don't play much SP.
Now what if i started trading hax and dupz, and suddenly every person you play with deals twice as much damage as you do? See how I just might have ruined your fun?
In SP, we don't have Blizzard, we have ourselves as rule enforcers, and we do it better than Blizz, actually.
So try to understand how people from the SPF community feels about being called BNet test grounds. Similarly, we won't call BNetters 1337-5p34k 'tard kids on their forums, mainly because we are more polite, but also because we know it is a direct hit in their prides, and also a flame bait.
Main point is, do what you will on your machine, be honest to trade here, and get to know the SP community a lil better, to avoid hitting soft spots without even knowing it.
Milamber
23-11-2004, 20:06
Okay people, there are of course going to be some integration problems here.
We have the people who play b.net mainly, and those who play SP mainly...so different ideals are going to abound.
Mr Addict a number of users of this trade Forum come from the SP Community where hacks/mods etc are, despite the rumours, shunned. It's a very 'legit' environment as much as it can be. So they will no be wanting to trade for items which are not legitimate accourding to their focus.
If you're using drop mods, I would simply make this announcement when you're offering a trade, therefore the individual can chose to trade or not.
CyberHawk
23-11-2004, 20:38
Personally for me, I would rather trade items with people who put in as much time as I do to find them. Tho, I havent been looking for a certain item quite long enough yet. Whenever I get around to that SoulCage..I holla back at'cha.;)
btw. what does iso(ISO) mean.
Milamber
23-11-2004, 20:41
In Search Of
Hi!
I usually play on b.net, but I play SP (rarely), but only mods (drop mods, Vikings etc. )... Is it possible to trade these items here?
Thx in advance
Mr_addict
Technically yes, just name the mods you are using in the first line of your mail. (so they show in the tooltip)
One question though, why would you want to trade when you are using a drop mod ?
With a good mod you should be to find, create or buy all items yourself.
And if you google for item pack you most like find everything you need.
Randall
Im going to have to go with Randall on this one, if you use a Drop Mod, Vikings etc. then why don't you just hack the item you need into the game yourself. Instead of trying to bring dupes and such into the community
Better yet, why not make some super godly white item with 4000+ enhanced damage or something...
Mr_Addict
24-11-2004, 11:01
OK, everyone: I havent said anything about single player being a lauch pad for testing B.net stuff ! Ive decided to list the mods I use, so people can see that I dont play mods, to create super-pwnzer, über-g0su 1337.
Valhalla (Not vikings, silly me! The acts and quest are the same... YOU DONT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE YOUR OWN ITEMS!!!)
Drop mod (To find all the items, you dont usually find. Of course I wont post threads regarding this, because everyone have all items!)
I mean the game is supposed to be a challenge! And it is.. I mean the game have TONS of items, and I haven't even foiund/completed em allm and until I have I cant say, that Ive completed the game!
If it makes any of you happy, Im planning to quit playing the Drop mod.. Found 4 Gheeds in the Den of Evil.. Boring!
About the create you own items thing, I dont create my own items, simply because thats pushing the game to far... The mods I use have fairly balanced items, compared to the 6 times harder monsters!
Before ending this, I would like to say 2 things!
1) A BIG apologize to all the SP-players, Ive offended, I really didn't mean to!
2) Learn to accept, that I use mods.. If you cant, stay away from me!
Starting the regret that Ive created this thread!
Similarly, we won't call BNetters 1337-5p34k 'tard kids on their forums, mainly because we are more polite, but also because we know it is a direct hit in their prides, and also a flame bait.
Single player is NOT a b.net test ground.. Ive played SP myself, but I didnt like the fact that, I were alone.. I liked the fact, that I could chat with others! Im consindering to dumb B.net, because Im getting tired of the 80% of the B.net population who are h4xx0rs... I believe you have the right to call
B.net a h4xx0r place... ! Because it is: you cant enter a game w/o meeting at least 1 hacker...
Nuff said..
Regds
Mr_addict
It looks as though this thread is getting a bit out of hand.
SPFers - watch the flame baiting ya'll know better.
Mr Addict - I think what the SPFers are trying to say is
"Do what you want on your own machine, but please do not ruin the SPF item trading with drop mod items and the like."
Oh and just so you know the drop mods out there, and I mean all of them, really alter the games difficulty and how items are created, most of them can be caught with a simple look at the ATMA readout, ilvl is the major factor. My younger brother on his machine had a drop mod, it destroyed his interest in the game, when he had seen all the items the game had to offer. Me I play vanilla D2lod 1.10 but I like to try new hard builds not use uber equipment to get mega damage or huge life. I like the challenge playing a hard build gives to the game.
Most people who play single player from Bnet give the excuse that they are "testing builds", well from personal experience testing should be done by playing through from clvl 1 so that your able to actually get the character to where you want it. SPF offers help and encouragement to those trying new and unique builds.
If your playing single player but are scared to be alone in the game then you may want to start MPing using the TCP-IP with other SPF members. It's multiplayer but its in a controlled enviroment where Haxxors don't like to play, they get shunned too quickly and can get "prevented" from entering the game.
I have no problem with Mods that completely alter gameplay but as for trading with legit vanilla D2Lod 1.10 single players they are quite concerned when someone is using a mod, simply stating which mod your item is from is enough no other measures should need to be taken.
Mr_Addict
24-11-2004, 12:38
Uzziah, thx: It really made it alot easier for me, since (du to me bat enlis) I had a hard time figuring out, what they were trying to say! After reading, youre opinion about Drop mods, Ive decided to dump it! I only managed to play a sorc to the end of act 1 (norm), so I doubt it has corrupted my soul for eternity! Thx for the warning!
This thread has turned into a discussion about mods (let it stay like that! Reading other peoples opininon about this, is interesting!), which is ok, since my question is answered! However, I will stay low, about my mods, since this have a negative effect on some of the SPF/SPTF users..
GL with your new forum! :thumbsup: (wont be using it, since people dont like the trading of modded items)
Regds
Mr_addict
HBeachBabe
24-11-2004, 15:27
not that anyone cares, but personally, I would prefer that mods not be allowed in the trade pool here. all it takes is one non-mod player to trade with a guy using a drop mod and suddenly that drop-modded item is "legit" and can then be traded to someone else unaware of its origin. It's bad enough that this forum is labeled as both SP and Open (which alone is enough to keep me from trading here) but to also allow SP mods of all types makes this place the forum equivilent of an item pack.
*Whispers to HBB* Wait until the revised rules are published, then tell me what you think. ;)
not that anyone cares, but personally, I would prefer that mods not be allowed in the trade pool here.
But I like Kremtok and AlterEgo :teeth:
OK, everyone: I havent said anything about single player being a lauch pad for testing B.net stuff ! Ive decided to list the mods I use, so people can see that I dont play mods, to create super-pwnzer, über-g0su 1337.
Valhalla (Not vikings, silly me! The acts and quest are the same... YOU DONT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE YOUR OWN ITEMS!!!)
Drop mod (To find all the items, you dont usually find. Of course I wont post threads regarding this, because everyone have all items!)
I mean the game is supposed to be a challenge! And it is.. I mean the game have TONS of items, and I haven't even foiund/completed em allm and until I have I cant say, that Ive completed the game!
If it makes any of you happy, Im planning to quit playing the Drop mod.. Found 4 Gheeds in the Den of Evil.. Boring!
About the create you own items thing, I dont create my own items, simply because thats pushing the game to far... The mods I use have fairly balanced items, compared to the 6 times harder monsters!
Before ending this, I would like to say 2 things!
1) A BIG apologize to all the SP-players, Ive offended, I really didn't mean to!
2) Learn to accept, that I use mods.. If you cant, stay away from me!
Starting the regret that Ive created this thread!
Single player is NOT a b.net test ground.. Ive played SP myself, but I didnt like the fact that, I were alone.. I liked the fact, that I could chat with others! Im consindering to dumb B.net, because Im getting tired of the 80% of the B.net population who are h4xx0rs... I believe you have the right to call
B.net a h4xx0r place... ! Because it is: you cant enter a game w/o meeting at least 1 hacker...
Nuff said..
Regds
Mr_addict
B.net is a "h4xx0r" place and your using a Drop Mod?
Your using a Drop mod, you say it isn't cheating, but you won't hack an item into the game because it takes the fun out of it?
^Read those a good 5 times, I'll stop here before I start a flame war.
NSXdreamer
25-11-2004, 00:26
Think about this, if I were to play bnet and dupe (insert item of your choice) zillion of times and start to trade, how would you feel about trading with me? That's how we feel about any kind of game mechanic altering mod.
Some of the response may seem harsh, but that's because we have to deal with people try to trade hacked/duped items, or asking for hacks all the time, and frankly we are tired of dealing with it.
@Mr_Addict
I tried to keep Vikings (or Valhalla) out of this.
I know there are good mods out there with a huge added fun factor and normally they changed the items so much that they can not be exchanged with normal (vanille) D2.
Personally I think it's ok for trading/exchanging items within such mods. Offcourse, name the mod in the trade message.
My concern would be the drop mod, to me it's the same if as using an editor to get all items in the game. Nor would I like to trade items found without drop mod but with all (high-end elite) items on the character found in the drop mod. Using a drop mod yourself would "taint" the character and the "items" found with it.
Randall
Mr_Addict
25-11-2004, 12:27
B.net is a "h4xx0r" place and your using a Drop Mod?
Your using a Drop mod, you say it isn't cheating, but you won't hack an item into the game because it takes the fun out of it?
^Read those a good 5 times, I'll stop here before I start a flame war.
Yep, I WAS using a dropmod.. As I said before, Ive decided to quit the drop mods, due to say many people saying it takes the fun out of the game!
Yep, drop mod is a cheat, you got that right! But hey, I barely managed to cheat, only making a character to lvl 14 (before it started to bore me!)! It seems to me like, many of you guys doesnt like stuf, "thats not real Diablo"! But Diablo seems to have limited entertainment, so I like to squeeze every computer game I buy to the max, and in Diablo you cant just ignore the mods. To me they are.. another way of playing Diablo.
About this mod trading thing: If people read this thread, I doubt they'll post about mod trading, cause its just annoying, that this thing started with a question.. and now Im a n00b1sh h4xx0r.. If thats the price to make a thread about mods, Its the last one Ive posted!
Regds
Mr_addict
A few comments which aren't directed at Mr_Addict in particular.
I always find it ironic when battle.net players visit the SP forums looking for shortcuts to "test" builds. In my experience, its far easier to go the other way around: testing builds on battle.net for SP. On battle.net you can get your characters rushed through the game and levelled up to the 80s in a couple of hours. You can trade for items and runes that could be painstaking to locate in SP.
And note to all the SPF regulars: its quite possible the trade forum may attract newcomers who are unfamiliar with our ways. Remember to be patient in explaining why we do things the way we do, point them to the FAQs and guidelines when they are appropriate, and avoid flaming where possible.
Chris
Mr_Addict
25-11-2004, 16:34
@Icebird: Thx... Ive learned my lesson: Mods are OK(right?), just dont be proud of you are using em! (right?) Hacks and mods are DIFFERENT things! (right?) Beware of what you are saying it might offend someone!
A new question has comed to my mind (THIS IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND SOMEONE! Its just.. I like to know!): Is ATMA a hack?
Thx in advance!
Regds
Mr_addict
[EDIT] OMG, this thread is good for NOTHING! ATMA wont read modded chars.. So, trading Mod items, is going to get tough!
All right, people, that is really enough.
I refuse to believe that there are those out there who do not understand the difference between earning what you have and cheating. You can argue for months on end about the semantics associated with the concepts, but I won't let you.
To answer the final question posed: No, ATMA is not a hack.
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