Pvp orb sorc questions

[Immortality]

I've recently restarted D2 and I need some tips for my pvp Orb sorc.

my char is currently at lvl 50
1. My dex is at 61 just enough for using shard, how much should i have in my dex for blocking. This is mainly for go against zons and palys, poss. barbs but sorcs usually die after one ww.

2. My vit is at 100 and about 300 health with all the items. Should i get more health? and how much should i have for dueling purposes?

3. My energy is at 160 and 500 mana. Should i add more energy or just get more mana adding items?

4. I have 4 in energy shield which is like 35% should i add more to get to 50%? Is energy shield reliable to keep my butt alive? are better armor or health better? I'd like to take plenty of hits against a person.

5. I have 15 in warmth was that too much? did i waste those points?

6. What kind of shield should i use? One with high def or high blocking rate.
If high Blocking rate how much should a sorc need to survive?

7. What kind of armor should i use? I have twitch and a armor with 200 or so def.

8. Is high def needed or just blocking?

9. How much faster casting rate is enough?

10. how much res should i have?

11. Is thunder storm usefull?

12. From several questions do u think i should rebuild?

To really sum it up id just like make my character more survible. Teleporting is good to me alive but id like take hits. If you think I should rebuild please tell me what stats or skills i should put into to make a good orb sorc.

Thanks to everyone who were kind enough to answer my questions.

[Locke07]

I've recently restarted D2 and I need some tips for my pvp Orb sorc.

my char is currently at lvl 50
1. My dex is at 61 just enough for using shard, how much should i have in my dex for blocking. This is mainly for go against zons and palys, poss. barbs but sorcs usually die after one ww.

2. My vit is at 100 and about 300 health with all the items. Should i get more health? and how much should i have for dueling purposes?

3. My energy is at 160 and 500 mana. Should i add more energy or just get more mana adding items?

4. I have 4 in energy shield which is like 35% should i add more to get to 50%? Is energy shield reliable to keep my butt alive? are better armor or health better? I'd like to take plenty of hits against a person.

5. I have 15 in warmth was that too much? did i waste those points?

6. What kind of shield should i use? One with high def or high blocking rate.
If high Blocking rate how much should a sorc need to survive?

7. What kind of armor should i use? I have twitch and a armor with 200 or so def.

8. Is high def needed or just blocking?

9. How much faster casting rate is enough?

10. how much res should i have?

11. Is thunder storm usefull?

12. From several questions do u think i should rebuild?

To really sum it up id just like make my character more survible. Teleporting is good to me alive but id like take hits. If you think I should rebuild please tell me what stats or skills i should put into to make a good orb sorc.

Thanks to everyone who were kind enough to answer my questions.

You need 51 dex and thats it for a sorc really. If this sorc is pure PvP I guess you could work it out. I would put more points into telekinisis (though I am not fond of Energy shield) and get a a soj or 2. I wouldn't use thunder storm unless you want to rebuild the char. Your resi should depend on what your dueling so adjust acordingly. For mele go with a grim shield with 60 chance to block and use twitchroe. If this is going to be a serious PvPer I would remake but its a start. And I am not for sure but some language is filtered out so for future reference don't use harsh language it can get you baned.

With Humble Regards
Locke

[Jezza]

Two ways you could make a pvp orb sorc. Max life or max eshield.

For max life, have as low str and dex as you can get, including bonus from your gear. At the most 45 str and 51 dex, never more. For comparison, my sorc has 20 str and 31 dex.

For max life build, do just that. Max vit. Base (35) energy.

For Eshield there is a variety of things you can do. as for max life build, keep str and dex to a minimum. From there you can decide that you want. High eshield drains mana like nothing else.

You can go max energy and max eshield, just max energy, by lvl 80 you should have around 350-400 health, and high high mana. To further increase mana, frostburns or sojs are highly recommended. You will defiantely be able to take the hits with this build, assuming you can keep your mana above 0. Dont forget open wounds and poison dmg are not decreased by eshield. I suggest at least 15 points in telekensis if you are going max engergy shield.

You could go high health and low or max eshield. High health and max eshield is the ultimate tank if you can keep the mana from dropping to 0. high health and low eshield is just a nice compliment to your life.

Eshield ignores res, and dmg is taken as if your res was 0 from your mana. The left over dmg is reduced by your res. So if you have high eshield, your need for high res is reduced, though it still comes in handy. There are a lot of choices, for different attackers. You will need max light res vs a light zon. As much fhr as you can get, along with as high a block rate vs a barb. Typically a 20/30 shield is best vs barb, with twitch added tor erach max block. The best shield would be grim with -reqs, followed by bone. Grim has 58 str normal, too high as I see it.

[Dacar92]

Let's make sure the language doesn't get any worse. I edited it out, too. Let's keep it clean guys.

[Wyvern]

1) in classic dex doesnt = blocking, what ever you sheild says is what it will block. Also shard only req 51 dex. you should have no more than 51dex with items.

2) Yes you need more health. Most of the elite pvp sorcs have 1200+ life at lvl 85+

3) again yes you need more mana, and again most of the elite pvp sorcs have 1000 mana at lvl 85+

4) 1pt in Energy Sheild is plenty if you have the right + skills gear. even if you dont have that gear now, I would only invest 1 point in ES and bank on getting the +skills gear later.

5) playing in classic for as long as I have has taught me that if you want to be a serious pvper you will need between 10-15 warmth. so no I dont think you wasted anything there.

6) If your looking at pvp an ideal sheild would be a bone/grim sheild with 17fhr 30/20 blocking priz with rep life.

7) Twitch isnt a bad start it gives you 20pts in stats, fhr, and improved blocking vs melee chars with the +25 blocking, and +20 faster blocking. down the road you want to look for a low str req armor that has tri rez, fhr, life, and rep life, or mana. +stats on an armor is also nice

8) as a sorc high def isnt needed because you arent going to stand in place and tank someone. high blocking vs barbs, and zons is a must.

9) being in classic I have never really bothered to look at the fcr break points. shard gives you 50% cast, a rare amulet would give you 10%, mage fists are 20% cast, wall of the eyeless is 20%, and rare rings give you 10% cast. So once you figure out the break points this is where you can get the speed from.

10) most pvp sorcs are cold sorcs, once in a while you run into fire sorcs, and foh paladins abound everywhere. so I would say you want to have atleast maxed fire/lit/cold and have poison in the positive.

11) With the way synergies work now you cant really be a 2 skill sorc unless one of those skills is a synergy to something your useing. blizzard+fireball doesnt really work that well, same goes for orb/ts these days. While it is useful, its more usefull to max your main killing skill.

12) If it were me I would rebuild simply because I have the gear to make a top tier sorc and I dont like wasting any skill/stat points that I dont have to. for you since you probably dont have that gear I would say keep grinding it out and make the best of it.


If you were to rebuild i would go with something like this:

str= as close to base as possible
dex= as close to base as possible
vit= everything else
nrg= 100

orb= 20
ice bolt= 20
cold mast= 20
warmth= 10
ES= 1
pre rec's= 9

any pts after that I would dump into warmth.

[Immortality]

Thanks for the answers guys that helped alot. But couple more questions how should distrubute points as I level? In other words Should i jack in as a many points into ice bolt in my early lvls? or should i use those points differently? Like every other time i lvl. Once i Max out ice bolt it only seems to add 70 or so damage to orb. Right now i only have like 4 into ice bolt. Is it really worth it to add those points into ice bolt? when i could add it into warmth? Id like to make a good pvp sorc thats around lvl 40-50 i guess im asking a little to much.

ps.sry for the language im new to these forums.

[BigBearCat]

The break points of fcr are:
9 20 37 63 105 200

When dual with magic dam chars such as hmdin and bonemancer, u can use uniq bone shield to reach 105% fcr.

btw: 70 dam increase on orb is really considerable.

[Murrogh]

My favorite way to make a sorc is no stats except for vitality. Useing rings, ammies, armor and belt. You will probably want to put some extra gear on her like a 3 sappire soceted shield against other sorcs because you need over 200 resists to cold and fcr gear against necs and pallies. You should also have a hotspurs agaist a fire sorc.

[Jezza]

Well in regards to assigning skill points, I like to max cold mastery and orb first. I put only 1 point in the prereqs (including ice bolt), 1 point in telekenisi and telport, and 1 in warmth (this is for pvp orber).

If you save your points, you can max by ~50 both orb and mastery. Mastery is far more important then the damage added to orb by the icebolt synergy, especially for dueling.

Forget about warmth, 1 point is enough. There is no dueling league I'm aware of, and mana pots are used by everyone, from barbs to sorcs. Some sorcs dont even have a point on warmth.

I usually aim for lvl 75-80+, but even then I max icebolt last. I guess I'm more defensive, in that I'd rather my eshield and telekenisis at 15 at least first, before stating on icebolt, but there is no rule to follow in this.

Optimal gear for a obr/pvper (high eshiled) would be shard; rare helm with fhr, life and res; frosties; 1 soj; 1 rare fcr ring w/ high mana, res and pref dex/str; rare ammy w/ skills, fcr, prizmatic, life/dex/str, rare armour w/ fhr,life,res rare belt w/ fhr, str, life, res; boots w/ fhr, frw(not so important for sorcs with tele), res, dex; and a shield with fhr, 30/20, priz.

A more toned down version would use 2 fcr and frosties, ammy doesnt need fcr then.

Of course there are plenty of choices for the poorer person, just listing desireable attributes here. All you need to know is that you must (well preferably) have 70 fcr at least. It's kind or hard because your build could vary so much in regards to how you use it. I think I posted earlier about some of the different types of eshield sorcs (high life, low mana, low eshield; low life, high mana, high eshield, high life, low mana, high eshield) but of course there are many more variations. All I can say is you will want to stay away from being hit, because eshield will drain that mana quickly.

[PreGenitor]

Most sorcs dont have 1000+ mana. They only achieve this by crying to a barbarian to BO on them.

To be perfectly blunt. Rebuild that sorc. My lvl 30 lld sorc had more life than that and about the same mana with less stats used.

Also if you max out eshield you gotta waste so much points in telekenesis (40 points lost to prevent melee dmg - but if a baba can hit you once he can hit you twice).

Pvp sorcs in general are greatly deminishing much like the true bvb class. They are easilly pk'able due to adapting changes in .10 and from quick learning babas.

Unless you use full juvs. Than I laugh at you :lol:

[Immortality]

Thanx guys. Im currently rebuilding, id like to ask what you guys think of it. Right now the build is at lvl 19.

Stats are:
Str: base for now...
Dex: base for now...
Vit: 95 or something...around there ive jacked everything into it expect on one ocasion. How much more should I need??
Energy: close to base w/ items its 49. 100 is my goal
Skills:
Ice Bolt: 19 ( god this skill really sucks....cant kill cows worth crap.. lol)
Warmth: 1

My life is around 220 w/o bonuses. How much more should i need?
Mana is at 130 with items.

Right now i have a bunch or str add items, and im planning to get my energy to 100 for the sake of using orb more then 3 times without potting...hehe. Im probably goin to get my vit to 200 or 150 ,and then get my energy to 100....donno.

Im going to max out ice bolt and then the reqs for blizzard. After that should be smooth sailing because blizzard kills norm cows with ease, even on lvl 1. Im going to get tele then and the reqs for energy shield. 6 lvls should be enough with izzy quest. And then max out orb and mastery :thumbsup:

Should I get ES to absorb 50% damage?????????

I have twitch and plate buckle that I am planning to use on my sorc. That means id reduce my dex to 31 for the usage of shard. Str.....i havent really planned that out yet... platebuckle I think needs 60 str..... so...yeah...I would say something inapproprite( cant spell worth crap ) right now but im afraid id get a ban..... Neways that'd mean i need 50 str..... or 45( cuz plate adds 5 to str ).... thats still too much.... Anyone want to donate boots that add to str? and other stuff? I was planning on to use goreboots but that doesnt help a sorc much. Gloves Im going to use frostburns. And helm im going to use a mask w/ 3 p rubies in it. Shield...im going to use the Ward for the res. Rings im going to use 10% more fcr rings.... Ammy is +1 to all skills and +34 life and + 30 something to cold res.

Please tell me your opinion.

[Palm]

There's guides out there for pvp sorcs and pvm sorcs, why dont you take a look? I gotta disagree with most of the choices you're making.

[Jezza]

Boots cant spawn with str, only dex.

Your best bet would be not to use bladebuckle. Try and get a nice rare belt, with under 40 str reqs.

Now you don't necessarily have to have str on your items. The thing with sorcs is, you get a perfect 20 str belt, its worth 40 life for your sorc. Sorcs get 2 life per point in vit. So getting a belt with 40+ life on it, is actually better then a 20 str belt.

Of course its always much nicer to have a belt with both str and vit.

Another good place would be ring/ammys. As long as you can maintain that 70 fcr, you should be fine.

[Immortality]

well I do have Nightsmoke, but that doesnt give anything to stats. It would nice to find a belt under 40 str that adds quite a bit to str and dex, but im quite poor...

Since there are no + str boots does anyone have + dex boots? lol

Maybe I should look at the guides for building pvp sorcs..i just have never found any ones that are just for classic. At least tell me your opinion and not just tell to look at stuff... Constructive Critism people!!

[Immortality]

Right now im at lvl 30

My stats are:
Str: near base
Dex: base
Vit:130 or something
Energy: 50 with items

Ive currently maxed out ice bolt and im working on maxing out orb and then mastery.

Which should i max out first? orb or mastry? or should i get 10 into each skill and then max out each?

Thx to all who respond

[fredsta54]

max out orb 1st, w/ 1 into mastery. Then max out mastery and if your pure orb max out the synergy as well. The synergy doesnt have to be maxed to deal decent damage, so if you wanna put the points elsewhere its ok

[Immortality]

Any reason for maxing orb 1st? Mastery seems to be helpfull at duels and such.

And yes im going to be pure orb, I would do orb/ts but the synergy thing just doesnt work out with that.

[Locke07]

Any reason for maxing orb 1st? Mastery seems to be helpfull at duels and such.

And yes im going to be pure orb, I would do orb/ts but the synergy thing just doesnt work out with that.

Um you max out orb first because it does more damage that way. Though If you are going to get energy shield I think you are doing this character wrong. A sorc that uses energy sheild should be making sure they have a lot of points into telekenisis as well as energy shield and High mana/warmth. That kind of sorc is a very defensive and slowly kills openents while the one I usually prefer has high dmg orb coupled with High life to life long enough to kill the other person. This tends to be played very offensivly. From what I see with your character just go pure vitality and don't worry about getting E shield and make sure you have max resist and good block for barbs.

[Immortality]

hrm.. I can see were you're getting at, but when i use ES i seem to take alot less damage( kinda hard to explain ). Im not really going to be a pure ES sorc, im just using ES to keep my butt alive longer, I dont think ill be getting ES to 50% absorb.... Since currently i only have 150 mana w/o bonuses. 1 hit from a hell monster pretty much drains my mana pool. I should be able to get 500 mana when I have 100 energy. 500 mana isnt bad for telein around and stuff but ill still be pretty dependent on mana pots And oh BTW im outa money!!!! money for the poor!!!!!!! those mana pots are costly.

well neways my skills are:

ice bolt: maxed
Orb: maxed
CM:15 Almost there!!!! w00t
warmth: 1
ES:1
tele:1
and all the other reqs and such

And im like lvl 57 or something

Stats are:

str:21 ill prob. get this to 27-28
dex:31 it will stay as is...unless body pops again
Vit 240 something, around there GOAL is 300 1.2k life is the true goal
Energy: 41 , once vit is at 300 or 800 life ill get this to 100



My body has recently poped, which sucks *** BTW. Ive learned a lesson, not to use high str stuff on a sorc. I was using 2 60 str stuff frost, bladebuckle.

P.S. I forgot if boots could spawn with + dex

P.S.S. If they do could anyone trade me boots with + 10 dex?

P.S.S.S. I need magefists or frosties

P.S.S.S.S. Giving the above for free is good....

10 thousand S.S.S.S.S.S.S... later... Cheese is good...mmm cheese....

[sculpen]

P.S. I forgot if boots could spawn with + dex

P.S.S. If they do could anyone trade me boots with + 10 dex?

Boots can have up to +9 dex on them.

[Immortality]

Thanx How much + mana can boots have? Boots cant have + health right?

[sculpen]

Rare Boots can have up to +40 mana on them. The only boots with life are Hotspurs and Treads of Cthon.

[Immortality]

ok good news guys ive maxed out ice bolt, orb and Ice Mastery and im lvl 61. Now im thinking about getting Es to 50%. After that im not too sure what to do. Warmth? like that one guy said? TS? lol

For gloves should I use Frostburns or Magesfists? or something else? If I use magefists I will get some + str/ dex rings and + res crap. If I use frost like i did b4 i would have more mana.... the possiblities....

Since im pretty poor im going to use a 3 soc shield with diamonds in it. Whats a good 3 soc shield with good blocking? Under 45 str or so.

Thanks every1 for the feedback, it has realy helped me out

[WNxZerker]

use frosties cause with orb you dont need the 20%FCR or the +1 to fire skills on mage, and more mana means you can absorb more damage.

Zerker

[Immortality]

The str requirement on frosties are a bit high.... ive gotten a pair of magefists. If i were to use rings i would get higher res... and some mana and life.. well w/e

What are good fhr items? I know twich is one

[Immortality]

what's the best high blocking shield w/ high priz u've found?

[Murrogh]

for an orb sorc gloves and weapon I would use either

rare gloves with shard w/2fcr rings for 70fcr
or magefist with wand w/2fcr rings & fcr ammy for 70fcr

the reason for rare gloves is that rare gloves can have tri 30 resists, up to 15 dex and other mods and can have no str req

the reason for rare wand is almost the same. wand can have tri 40 resist 20faster cast, 140mana is possible with wand as well.

you wanna get to the 70 faster cast rate no matter what.

...to answer your question about shields, best sorc shield not counting -req grim would be a bone shield with 17fhr 30/20 20priz with 30extra cold and 30 extra lightning you could also possibly (almost not possible but ideal) have 10str on it too.

[Immortality]

ok right now im just use shard and magefists. the rings are + dex and + str for using my equipment. My res are pretty crappy in hell since i need a 3soc shield. The ideal gloves you said do sound good with the + dex and all but i still need a couple good + str items, but then w/o the need for magefists i would'nt need more + str items... hrm

+10 str gloves!!!! i need em and + str and res

[Immortality]

ok currently my sorc is at lvl 69

stats are:
str 27
dex:31
vit:325
energy: 51 going to be 100...

I have 798 life w/o bonuses
403 mana with items

Energy shield has 50% absorb, i donno if this was a good decision
4 into telekenises

3 into warmth... donno

Im using 3 soc helm with p rubies
twitch, shard, 3 soc shield with p diamonds, good svs boots, magefists, nightsmoke, +14str and +15dex ring and + health and mana ring, and good + sorc ammy

How much should I add into warmth? 10 seems to be too much

The rest will go into telekenises

[weep]

uhhh i'm not sure what you intend to do with that sorc but I think you'll find that in both pvm and pvp that particular build is really going to drain your mana insanely fast.. I have a 81 pvm/pvp blizz sor with level 1 (+3) warmth, telekenesis and energy shield with 1062 base mana (140 ene), if you plan on going with like 6xx-8xx mana, i'd suggest the level 4 (35%) es max if you have like level 8+ warmth and tk, assuming you want to pvp.

[fredsta54]

...to answer your question about shields, best sorc shield not counting -req grim would be a bone shield with 17fhr 30/20 20priz with 30extra cold and 30 extra lightning you could also possibly (almost not possible but ideal) have 10str on it too.


Wrong. The ideal shield would be the same mods as that only it would be a tower shield, with -30% requirements, and dont forget, 12% damage taken goes to mana.

[weep]

Wrong. The ideal shield would be the same mods as that only it would be a tower shield, with -30% requirements, and dont forget, 12% damage taken goes to mana.

that's also wrong, the kid is using twitch.. and thus the extra block on the tower does nothing for him, plus towers are heavy as opposed to grim/bone which are light.. oh and for 1.1 I would definately say that the rep life mod > dtm for pvp, having used a 17/30/20 high pris 12 dtm grim and a 10/30/20 pris 5 rep bone.. but those are very expensive shields, for svs/svall I would recommend a 30/20 pris grim/bone with 4-5 rep if you can get it, it's not too expensive and is just as effective as the higher end shields (although not as sexy)

[Murrogh]

keep in mind you can only have 3 prefix's and 3 afix's

prismatic cold and lightning are all 3 prefix's

fhr, 30/20 are afix's then all you have left is the choice of...
repl, str, -req and others which aren't worth mentioning

for me I would want repl on a bone or -req on tower
I wasn't thinking when I said str but str is a nice mod too

dtm is prefix so you could take that instead of stacked lr
i would rather have the resist but that's mostly because I am opsessed with resists.

pretty much if the sorc in question gets any of these shields we are describing she will be set, :P

[fredsta54]

that's also wrong, the kid is using twitch.. and thus the extra block on the tower does nothing for him, plus towers are heavy as opposed to grim/bone which are light.. oh and for 1.1 I would definately say that the rep life mod > dtm for pvp, having used a 17/30/20 high pris 12 dtm grim and a 10/30/20 pris 5 rep bone.. but those are very expensive shields, for svs/svall I would recommend a 30/20 pris grim/bone with 4-5 rep if you can get it, it's not too expensive and is just as effective as the higher end shields (although not as sexy)


Well first off i didnt know the guy was using twitch. and as for rep, its only effective if you can get it in mass amounts, 5 overall rep wont do anything




Fred

[weep]

as for rep, its only effective if you can get it in mass amounts, 5 overall rep wont do anything

that's pretty ignorant... even 3 rep life or any such "insignificant" mods have some utility and add a lot of value to an item; plus rep life, like everything in d2 is cummulative and a little here and there starts to make a difference.

[fredsta54]

ok i admit, 5 rep life would be better than 0 rep life, although not by much. Its in my experience that you need high rep life to completely negate an attack like orb though. Top svs sorcs have at minimum 50 rep life, along with 300 + cr and high life and mana.

[pwn]

I havent really played since 1.09.
First a few questions, then a few answers.


What does the break points you showed on fcr (9 20 37 63 105 200) mean exactly?

Cold mastery reduces cold resistance of target.
Now if max cold resist is 75% or lets say 90%. would it reduce the cold master from that? or does your cold resistance continue stacking until lets say 200, and then it would remove the cold mastery from that.
so it would be 200 cr - 95 cold master. so 105% cold resistance is left. so it will leave it at 75%?
or like i said does it reduce the value from the 75% max value.

If thats the case where cold resistance stacks beyond the max cold resistance, then it should be easy to keep your cr at max 75% or 90%. cold damage, from orb at least, would be pitiful.
now take fireball that can do 5k dmg. even with 90% fire resist, thats still 500 dmg each hit.

Answers.. or make like suggestions..
TS was good, even now i think, because it stuns the target.
stop him in middle of casting his orb or teleporting. even if its low damage i usually really like it.

now as to being a orb sorc pvp. there is no such thing as general pvp. you want to win duels, you must build and equip yourself acording to your target. period.

if you vs another sorc, you wont be using that lame bone\grim shield.
you use a 3 socket shield. 80% cold resist, 40% lightning. but now people dont use ts from whats been told here, maybe its better to 120% cold resist.

then you would use hawkmail. not freezing when ice orb hits you is very helpful. twitch in this case wont help at all. and you need fcr for teleporting around and dropping orbs on your target.


now lets say you duel an amazon. you need very high fcr and very high fhr.
offcourse you need twitch now. and that 30\20 grim shield. also a very nice trick is to hire a merc in act 1. guided arrows will usually target the merc first.
from what i know in 1.09. the merc would teleport with you. guided arrow would follow the merc, giving you enough time to drop an orb on the amazon and kill her. again ts help alot stuning the amazon when you get in a screens distance.

[Zodijackyl]

I've made a few PvP orbers... I'm remaking one now so I'll post my build info

Maxed Ice Bolt, Orb, Cold Mastery...
a few points into warmth and energy shield, a good amount in tele because teleporting is essential to my dueling

this orber is rather high strength, with 82 total with items on, 16 base
Belt is 24fhr +20str 54life (no resists, which is sad)
The Ward for shield (50 resists make up for none on belt or armor, and 10 str for boots)
Prepatch greaves, +12str +3 replenish life, 24MF, 35fr 41cr 26lr
Prepatch crown (PSKULLED)m 14dex 26life 29cr 43lr +8 replen
Armor is twitch for now
Ammy is legit +2 14str 3dex +7replen 19pris
Gloves are magefist
Weapon is shard
Rings are SOJs

This setup works out well because no need for base dex and 6 base str gives me alot of life, and the sojs are great for mana.

this sorc is rather odd, i made the char for fun and it works for PvP and PvM (CS runs), and also the gear shows off my wealth :)

[Immortality]

I'd like to know what stats do your orb sorcs have?

I am quite poor and im thinking about making a mf blizz sorc to increase my wealth. Currently I have essitenial(spelling?) mf gear, gull, chancies, nagels and gold wrap.

I do think my ES is too high... This time im going to rebuild with higher mana

You are right my mana does drain too quickly. One hit and boom 500 is gone in a flash. High life doesnt help me survive that much, due to my low res.

I use twitch because of the + dex and + str mods until I can find some better items with those mods Ill stick with twitch.

What do you guys use for + mana?

Msg me on b Net and help me out

Accnt: Imm0rtality
note that 0 is a number

Duel me on b Net and tell me how could improve my build.

Thanks guys for the help

[fredsta54]

immortality, what realm? ladder or non?




Fred

[Immortality]

oh sry

its east ladder

[fredsta54]

oh sry

its east ladder

i am also east ladder, mabye you should try on frostburns, points to energy, doubt you can afford sojs.... do u have telekenises?



Fred

[sardoniclysane]

i am also east ladder, mabye you should try on frostburns, points to energy, doubt you can afford sojs.... do u have telekenises?



Fred


I was about to ask him the same thing (about telekenisis). It's better to have that maxed then es, and just a few points in es.

Simple gear he should be able to afford:

+1 sorz priz (stacked cr/fr would be nice, as would rep and/or str but more exp)
Shard
Mfists (takes care of fcr needs, adds 50 mana, and helps with mana rep)
Trip sock mask (3 p skulls)
If you can't afford sojs, get high plus to mana/str rez rings
Boots, either hspurs or if you can find some fhr nice rez boots go that route (actually, it would be better to get them, even if only 3x on 2 rez, thats 60 rez as opposed to 45 and 15 life..Also go for added dex on the boots. The least amount of statpoints needed, so much more the better for you.
Belt: fhr/str/life 2 rez. Ideal would be fhr str rep, life rez, but good rep belts with nice fhr, str and life, and high rep are pricey...you should find a belt with most of the mods (prolly not all though) for cheap
armor: twich until you can afford 24 fhr high life high rez armor. Get that knid of armor (make sure the first 2 rez to max are cold and fire) then pskull it for more rep
shield, when starting out, get a ward. High rez to all and decent block when used with twitch, it's a steal. Go for one 45+. You could use a 3 sock p diamond shield, but blocking wise, you will suffer. If you don't mind that too much, go with 3 os large OR if you have enough str (with items, don't pump str for the sake of it) use a 3 os tower. If you are lagging in cr, and want more, use 2 pdiamond 1 p saph. Then you're getting 38 rez to all, and to 78 cold.


As far as skill points go, I'd go wih this setup:

Orb: 20
Ice bolt: 20
Mastery: 20
ES: 7-10 (puts you at 50% absorb before any skillers, or you can go as high as 60, it's really dependant on you)
Telekenisis: 16 (makes it a 1 for 1 ratio on your ES)
Warmth: 7-10 (The higher the regen the better, you already have 73% from mfists and your helm, I go for 200%, remember the more mana you have, the faster it goes back up. You can have 400% mana regen but with a small mana pool it won't seem all that great. Having 500-600 mana though and having a high regen it flies.
Ice blast:1
Glacial Spike:1
Frost Nova:1
Blizzard:1
Teleport:1

Stats:

Str: as little as needed, without using ward the highest you should have to go is 45 for mfists, and if you have +str items it's possible you won't even have to move from base str
Dex: enough to use shard. You start with 25. You do the math.
Vita/ Energy: You have three options here: All life (a waste of having es) All energy..(unless your maxing es and tk I would not recommend this) or a mix of the two. I used to put 100 in energy, and then pump vita after. With the mana regen I had, plus 50 mana from shard, plus 1 soj (other ring had 15 str/12 dex, and rez) and my ammy (instead of str/dex it had mana/life) It worked out rather nicely.

[Immortality]

I do plan on maxing out telekineses(spelling?) and on my lvl 72 char its like lvl 10 or whatnot.

My rebuild is at lvl 45. currently she's got crappy gear on and base is
str:base
dex:base
vit:210
energy:55

The way you level is interesting. 100 energy first then add vit. I guess that could work out.

I plan on using magefists, but I could use frosties. I have a really nice +10 fcr, + 15 str and some res. With another +14 str and + 15 dex ring. But then without 70 fcr I would need a +1 and + fcr ammy which for some reason is really difficult to get a hold of.

I can afford sojs but Im not sure I am willing to trade my gear.

Are gulls still worth a soj? It used to back in 1.09.

Why the 3 soc p skull helm? I have to say that is kinda werid.

The 3 soc shield is my way of saying, Im dirt poor. I could change my shields when I face a melee opponent.

BTW can you block spells? Like with the shields

[Standard Legal Tender]

I do plan on maxing out telekineses(spelling?) and on my lvl 72 char its like lvl 10 or whatnot.

My rebuild is at lvl 45. currently she's got crappy gear on and base is
str:base
dex:base
vit:210
energy:55

The way you level is interesting. 100 energy first then add vit. I guess that could work out.

I plan on using magefists, but I could use frosties. I have a really nice +10 fcr, + 15 str and some res. With another +14 str and + 15 dex ring. But then without 70 fcr I would need a +1 and + fcr ammy which for some reason is really difficult to get a hold of.

I can afford sojs but Im not sure I am willing to trade my gear.

Are gulls still worth a soj? It used to back in 1.09.

Why the 3 soc p skull helm? I have to say that is kinda werid.

The 3 soc shield is my way of saying, Im dirt poor. I could change my shields when I face a melee opponent.

BTW can you block spells? Like with the shields

Nobody will trade you soj for gulls, although the occasional inexperienced player will come upon one and you may 1/1000000 chance be able to get it for 2-3 gulls ( highly unlikely because they tend to not want to trade them..).
For svs life rep is GG so 15 rep from the helm is pretty nice. No shields can't block spells.

[Immortality]

I c

Since you dont need block for svs, then why have the ward?
I could just change shields for svb or pvm

[magnet]

Are gulls still worth a soj? It used to back in 1.09.

if you're trading with experienced players, soj will never = other uniques, no matter how big the pile. however, if you keep a few gskins/silks/gulls on a trading character somewhere, youll eventually stumble across some kid that just got a soj off a zombie in the blood moor. just keep filling up the trade screen with silks/gskins/gulls until he clicks accept :D

ive gotten a soj for a single gs once, and another for p tarn + chancies...but i'd imagine your chances of mfing one are higher than stumbling across one that cheap..

[sardoniclysane]

I c

Since you dont need block for svs, then why have the ward?
I could just change shields for svb or pvm


I keep the ward and other high blocking shields around because when I duel, I don't just pick on type of char to duel against. That being said, if there are barbs in there, I will fight against them if they wish. I'm not saying sit there and tank, but sometimes you will get caught, and it's nice to know if you do, first you will block most of the attack, and second, most of it will get absorbed. Nothing seems to piss a barb off more then when they finally catch you, and you take almost no damage from a ww, and with rep, they see you start to heal.

Let the name calling begin.

[sardoniclysane]

if you're trading with experienced players, soj will never = other uniques, no matter how big the pile. however, if you keep a few gskins/silks/gulls on a trading character somewhere, youll eventually stumble across some kid that just got a soj off a zombie in the blood moor. just keep filling up the trade screen with silks/gskins/gulls until he clicks accept :D

ive gotten a soj for a single gs once, and another for p tarn + chancies...but i'd imagine your chances of mfing one are higher than stumbling across one that cheap..

True. And there are those "unique" collectors out there who will trade a soj for 5 gskin or 10-15 gulls.

However, it's much faster to get godly rares, or find the sojs yourself.

[Immortality]

About the ward, It would be nice to have a general all around pvp item, but still its much better just to change the item to suit your opponent.

Wow it has seemed that the price of sojs have sky rocketed. Damn inflation...

[Immortality]

Currently Level 67 =D

[Immortality]

Right now im lvl 74.

my stats are:
str:base
dex:base+1
vit:324
energy:100

I have 801 base life and 311 base mana

Is now the time add more into vit or energy?


Guys thanks alot for all the support, I couldnt of done it without you guys.
I appreciate it :D

[sardoniclysane]

Right now im lvl 74.

my stats are:
str:base
dex:base+1
vit:324
energy:100

I have 801 base life and 311 base mana

Is now the time add more into vit or energy?


Guys thanks alot for all the support, I couldnt of done it without you guys.
I appreciate it :D

What gear are you using?

[Immortality]

Helm: 10fhr 29cr 19pr
Armor: Twitch
Shield: 3 Diamond shield
Weapon: Shard
Gloves: Magefists
Boots: 10Fr/w 10Fhr 38cr 15lr
Ammy: +1 +57 life +36 mana 27lr
Ring1: +14str +15dex 28lr
Ring2: +10fcr +15str 23cr

As you can see, I need a better shield and armor.

[Immortality]

My sorc does duel alot. Anyone have advice on dueling tactics? With speed babas and palys I try not to stay on the same screen, esp fohers with their conviction. When dueling melee peeps, Im usually very defensive and I tele away from my opponent.

I'd like to try and stay on the same screen and win duels that way.

Cr stackers are so common, its kind of scary.

[Immortality]

how does the faster block rate in shields affect things?

[fredsta54]

how does the faster block rate in shields affect things?

fbr is only really useful vs fast hitting melee attackers. If you try to block too many things at once you will go into "block lock" if ur fbr is low. Fbr will allow you to block faster, and thus recover faster. If you dont have fbr vs a ww barb and he gets u theirs no way your gonna escape//live.


Fred

[Immortality]

What kind of armor should i get... I know twitch isnt really going to cut it... lol

[fredsta54]

What kind of armor should i get... I know twitch isnt really going to cut it... lol

fhr armour with resists. life is just a bonus

[Immortality]

How much would a fhr fr cr with str or dex bonus armor cost me?

[fredsta54]

How much would a fhr fr cr with str or dex bonus armor cost me?

i dont know. Try and find 1. SHouldnt be too hard

[Immortality]

eh... all these andy runs are boring..

[ethos]

I would try for +str on your belt/rings only, because that should set you up easily, and a 50+ life mod on armour is far more common that +15 str, and you end up with more life. +dex is quite rare, when you have it combined with other godly mods, so unless your keen on spending about 3 sojs on armour, or doing an entires week worth of andy runs, i would settle for something less, but more realistic. Because when are you going to find a 30cr 60 life 15 str 9 dex armour. (9 dex is max right?)

[Immortality]

My friend gave me a 24fhr 50 something life 16cr 18fr

Its good for now =D

Why are 30/20 shields with like 17 priz worth like a soj? I think thats Bs. 17 priz is nothing to me. 30-40s I would think to be worth a soj.