Questions concerning lld bonenec

[DaemonAkuma]

Hallo everyone.

First I want say thank you to everyone who answered questions I had concerning my lld kicksin. I have incorporated those suggestions in with my usual original adaptations and made a character that, surprisingly, can even kill steroid-fed FB sorcs.

However I would like to make a lld bonenec for my friend to play so I don'ot have to go to games solo. I can infer some of the gear, but others I"m not sure on and I have 0 idea about skill points. I'll just write out the best I can guess:

1 clay
1 amp-decrep(but no if one uses Ume's Lament...more on this later)
1 bone shield
1 teeth
1 CE
1 in everything down to Spirit.
1 pt in spirit.
SYnergise all with bone prison? Is that how it works?

As for gear (purely guess, no flaming pleae :jig: )
Vipermagi
Spirit Sword (Ume's Lament perhaps? Lose a lot of bonuses this way though)
Whitstan's Guard "Eld"
Lenymo
Magefist
Rare boots: frw/fhr/res
Peasant Crown (or 2 bone+ rare circ?)
Eye of Etlich (or 2 bone+ rare ammy)

?????

Thank ya

[Wuben]

Which level? 30, I assume?

[Arbedark]

Skills -

Max Spear for Level, 1 in Spirit, 1 in pre-reqs, Max Bone Prison, rest of points into Bone Wall. Ignore Golem, you can't stack in LLD so its worthless, wasting skills getting to decrep is also a bad idea.

Perfect Items -

2 Bone skills, 20 FCR, 30 FRW Circlet with 2 sockets
2 Bone Skills 10 FCR Amu
Perfect Viper
35% FCR Etheral Spirit Crystal Sword (Or any other 35% Spirit you can weild w/o wasting stats)
15/15 String with Deaths belt in stash for when CBF is needed
1 x Soj
1 x FCR Ring with 8x Mana and stats
Magefist
Sanders Boots
2 Bone skills Head of Deflecting with 2 sockets, 3 Bone Spear, 3 Bone spirit and 2 Decrep

Mix of 15/12 Life / Mana SCs, 15/5 Life / Res SCs, 12/5 Mana / FHR SCs and 3/12 FRW / Mana SCs


Cheap Items -

Peasant Crown
Viper
Any Spirit sword
Magefist
2 x Sojs
2 PnB amu
Sanders Boots
String of Ears
Rhyme Head with at least 1 in decrep

Mix of 15 Life SCs, FHR SCs and FRW Charms

[DaemonAkuma]

Wow, thank you very much.

I should be able to get my hands on most of the better gear. What about stat distribution? I assume max block..then all vita. Shouldn't have to put too much into Str I wouldn't think.

Anyhow, thank you again ^)^

[crawlingdeadman]

instead of replacing string of ears for a deaths sash i'd just go with rhyme as your source of cbf (if you're not using it as is). having ume's in your stash for some anti bm measures is a good idea (to get the decrep from it).

i'd not attempt an lld without max block. one option would be to stash an 'eld' whitstan for when you need max block.

insight on switch in a staff is a must, imo. since you're not using a fcr shield you even keep the same fcr break you're at as insight has 35% fcr (assuming you're using a 35 spirit sword).

str will be most likely 45 for mages (minus sanders and any other bonuses from ammy/hat).

i'd highly recomend the 125% break point. others will say it's not needed, but if you have to outgun say a fireball sorc every little bit will help.

[DaemonAkuma]

Hello again CDM and thanks for all of your input on my kicksin. She is nearly gg'd out except charms and one other weapon option. Your advice was invaluable; she is an absolute monster.

So would it not be advisable to get max block w/ a Rhyme head equipped and just keep a Whitstan's for Max block against zealers, kickers, etc? But yes I'll be using a 35% spirit sword. The insight is also on my priority list.

He'll have on Sander's, so I'll have a wee bit of strength from that. A 125% BP on an lld? Hmm...haven't heard that one before in reference to an lld, but your reasoning involving out-casting an FB sorc makes sense. I'll look in to that also.

SO basically the only real question is if I get max block w/ "Rhyme" totem, or if I keep a Whitstan's "eld" for max block. Is the loss of dmg to spells worth it as opposed to the invested stat points in dex? I'd guess not but only if the "Rhyme" is in a 3/3/decrep totem or whatnot. Input?

[inanefedaykin]

If you know how to use bone walls to channel melee and short range attackers then you're fine with the lower damage on whistans.

As other people have pointed out, keep ume's lament in stash for use against BMers.

[NewForumBloke]

Something i found useful for dueling strategies with a lld nec is to look at the necro forums strats for reg hld boners. A lot of the strats mentioned in there can be reproduced.

And yes, for the love of god get max block. Otherwise a char that should be a cake walk for you (ie someone like my charger) will tear right through you bone armor and straight into you. Ive already pk'd several lvl 30 boners with my fun charger and i must say i was rather shocked.

If you were looking for some practice duels, my charger is ready to help you out as much as he can. I know last season when woodz and i were dueling (his boner, my fb sorc) it really pumped up both of our skill lvl's with how to handle our chars.

Good luck :D

-BLoke :smug:

[crawlingdeadman]

you can go max block with rhyme to avoid the switching of gear. that's what i've done in the past. some people are adamant about a skilled boner not needing max block, but you should definitely start out a character with it and if you get to where you think you dont need it, remake.

[inanefedaykin]

If you plan on doing GM duels then you can probably come out on top if you dont get block. Bone necs duel against casters and the only caster with a physical component is a liberator you're only actualy losing out in one duel and comming out that much further (about 100hp iirc) against casters.

On the other hand if you're pubbing it your most common enemy is a regenadin or a bonesnap charger so lord knows you're gonna need block.

[NewForumBloke]

On the other hand if you're pubbing it your most common enemy is a regenadin or a bonesnap charger so lord knows you're gonna need block.

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10 chars

[CryP]

You have had great advice from cdm bloke fed and others. I may be able to contribute a lil as I had a decent lld boner last ladder, After remaking several time this is the skill plan i settled on:
Teeth - 1Point
Corpse Explosion - 1Point
Bone armor - 1Point
Bone Spear - Max for lvl
Bone Spirit - Max for lvl
Bone wall - Max for lvl
Bone Prison - Any you have left

Imo max block is a must BUT dont be afraid to switch out to other gear for certain situations for example last ladder i had a rare head with decent skills, terrible block and MDR I would use vs hammerdins and other boners. Just check every head that drops and keep a few switch options in your stash.

75 fcr is livable but 125 is better in all situations as long as you have the mana to support it.

Get 100 frw or as close as possible. Maybe it was just my play style but I did better with more frw even tho I had to sacrifice some life and fhr to get it.

If you are on east Id be happy to help if you need it.

*woodzman *woodzpvp

[Arbedark]

instead of replacing string of ears for a deaths sash i'd just go with rhyme as your source of cbf (if you're not using it as is). having ume's in your stash for some anti bm measures is a good idea (to get the decrep from it).

i'd not attempt an lld without max block. one option would be to stash an 'eld' whitstan for when you need max block.

insight on switch in a staff is a must, imo. since you're not using a fcr shield you even keep the same fcr break you're at as insight has 35% fcr (assuming you're using a 35 spirit sword).

str will be most likely 45 for mages (minus sanders and any other bonuses from ammy/hat).

i'd highly recomend the 125% break point. others will say it's not needed, but if you have to outgun say a fireball sorc every little bit will help.

As you can see I recommended that getting a Rhyme or Shield of Deflecting with decrep is the way to go. As for getting 125% FCR only go for it if you have godly items, otherwise you're missin out on too many other things such as FRW, skills etc.

Switching String for Deaths is also better than The Deflecting shield for rhyme in the perfect setup as generally you'd want dual stat jewels in the shield which would allow more life. And switching to rhyme would lose you 2 bone skills I find the deaths switch is the better one overall.

Finally switching to Umes for the Decrep will lose you FCR and the 125% BP usually (Unless you switch to something like Wall of the Eyeless as well, but then you're losing skills etc too..) I just find getting decrep on the shield is a better way to do it if you wanna BM people etc. :wink2:

Edit: RE post above, If possible aim for 130+ FRW as it really makes things easier....

[crawlingdeadman]

yeah, it's all good, just giving other possibilities. rhyme is a great thing for bone necs imo. it's got good block, skills (assuming you have a good head), and cbf. for a starter i'd just stick with rhyme straight up and not worry about switching to anything until you find a godly deflecting head. i suggested ume's because it'll be a million or so times easier to find than the head you describe. mostly i think my suggestions were geared toward a beginning player and what you suggest is what he can work his way up to.