Teleport is bm?! What other stupid rules have you heard of...

[DaemonAkuma]

So I pub lld a lot ( I enjoy killing ppl significantly higher level). I dueled a lvl 40 bone necro withmy FB sorc and teled away from his prison. I ended-up killing him. Later he said that, according to "Most" pvp forums, teleport is bm in low level duels.

I have also heard that in duels >75% res is bm.
ANY sorb is bm
OW is bm
Too much psn dmg is bm
CTA is bm.
FoH is bm.
Using pots IS NOT bm (wtf?)
Slow is BM (only on weaps)
Gear changes is bm

and many others. I'm curious as to 1) What some of the more stupid cries you have had in pub games and 2) what, if any, authenticity to these complaints there are.

[DeathAwaits]

Too much psn dmg is bm
In most MeleeVMelee Poison damage is BM.

CTA is bm.
I know in ZealvZeal it is, not sure about anywhere else.

Using pots IS NOT bm (wtf?)
ROFL!

[TienJe]

i've heard a few funny ones:

mindblast is bm vs melee characters
namelock is bm
spamming is bm

:(

[Kiba]

~Wolfie Howl~

These topics are like totally so boring , old & re-hashed of the same stuff that has been said countless times in the past.

This whole thread is bad manner.

[mainaman]

desynch is bm,
leap is bm...
one piece of sorb is bm
if you kill someone you are bming no doubt about that

[MysticDragon]

Teleport IS BM. Haven't you heard of Clan Honor? :laugh:

[DaemonAkuma]

~Wolfie Howl~

These topics are like totally so boring , old & re-hashed of the same stuff that has been said countless times in the past.

This whole thread is bad manner.

Well with comments like that, how could it NOT be exciting? O.o

Well I think people just whine way too much. Seems to me the only things made "bm" are things that make it harder for ppl to kill other ppl. I.E. MB for a sin is bm b/c...well, melee has a hard time kill them with that being spammed on them. Spamming is bm b/c it's hard to kill casters when they spam. Sorb is bm b/c that makes it hard for casters to kill. Is the pattern emerging?

Oh well, life goes on. That's why I only duel in pubs...as far as I'm concerned BEHAVIOR is bm, NOT gear or skills.

[Smackin]

Totally agreed, I never consider gear or skills BM. Like Cmon, if u have the skill, why not use it? If so and so calls u bm, they just aint good nuff to deal with it. The only way to improve is work around it to ur advantage, rather than calling something BM or ban its use in pvp.

[superjayson]

ive had someone call me a "bm noob" for using ravens and shockwave in a duel.

[DeathAwaits]

Totally agreed, I never consider gear or skills BM. Like Cmon, if u have the skill, why not use it? If so and so calls u bm, they just aint good nuff to deal with it. The only way to improve is work around it to ur advantage, rather than calling something BM or ban its use in pvp.
Really, the only character skill I would consider completely BM. Is bone prison. :undecided:

But, if your dueling in pub games. Pretty much anything goes, if you don't like it...then don't pub duel. :tongue:

[WolfPaw]

lol...when i was on my pure charger a fireball sorc told me charge is bm, she said not too use it. I was like "lol? I won't use it you dont use spells?"

[akumaxxyz]

in pubs winning=bm

[HappyPants]

I think a lot of people consider enchant on a barb bm, but I ask why? Most classes use at least 2 skills from other classes (Teleport, Battle Command, Battle Orders). Most barbs use 1 (teleport). Other people are taking advantage of the barbs warcrys to make themselves harder to kill so why shouldn't I be able to use enchant to make them a little easier to kill?

[DaemonAkuma]

BP would be BM...except for Enigma. I mean yeah BP can be annoying, but I've never had a char build that was bothered by it really. I would guess that SS druids might be since one can't tele in SS form (although Rabies CAN go through it, and psn the casting necro and give him one hell of a bad case of hulk cancer).

BP in lld is a good example of crappy. I mean...no one but sorcs and kickers have anything like a tele ability, unless one considers "leap" a tele-ability. Pallies have charge and hdins' hammers break them, but to other builds (not casters really) they mean all but instant death. But on that same token, the nec can't teleport...which means he is brittle.

Akuma has it right though...in pubs, winning=bm

lol WolfPaw. I hear that. When I used a necro summoner people always said "you oly win cuz u gots summins" That's like saying a lite sorc only wins b/c she has lightning spells...

well that's mostly b/c Enchant falls under the "pre buff" thing. Also, chant on a barb would be the quivalent of a sorc skill that doubled mana. It does two things a barb is best at: Dmg, and AR. The only reason barbs dont rape every last melee class is b/c of AR. Chant seriously debilitates that. If a barb chants, I just use an exile which is bm b/c there's life tap on it...yet with that same logic, life tap would be acceptable in a duel so long as I did not use a 3rd other-class skill. In fact, I could just use a life tap charged wand and cast it, and it would be gm. You see how the cycle eats itself?

On that token a barb(or other chars) could go Fade, Chant, bo, get cyclone armor and bone armor, and use a life tap wand and it would all be ok...but, at least to me, that does wreak of unsportsman-like behavior. Again though, it's a strange standard...where does one draw the line?

Personally I just have all the pre-buff gear imaginable so that I can come right back at anybody who has such said prebuffing capabilities.

[akumaxxyz]

I think a lot of people consider enchant on a barb bm, but I ask why? Most classes use at least 2 skills from other classes (Teleport, Battle Command, Battle Orders). Most barbs use 1 (teleport). Other people are taking advantage of the barbs warcrys to make themselves harder to kill so why shouldn't I be able to use enchant to make them a little easier to kill?

this bugs me also, if they whine about bm, tell them not to bo end of story.

well that's mostly b/c Enchant falls under the "pre buff" thing. Also, chant on a barb would be the quivalent of a sorc skill that doubled mana

its not like that, enchant adds about 4k+ ar only, while bo certainly buffs anyone and +1 skills from battle command, if people say enchant is bm they shoudn't use bo in duels too

[mephiztophelez]

enchant is generally considered BM in BvB duels as are zod-bugged or def glitched ethereal runeword body armours in BvB.

i've been accused of/told the following:
mindblast is BM
traplock is BM
traps are BM
proc'ing the venom from Grief in BvB is BM (does something to AR it was claimed o.O)
venom is BM


basically, if your duelling in pubs: winning is BM....

[WolfPaw]

lol WolfPaw. I hear that. When I used a necro summoner people always said "you oly win cuz u gots summins" That's like saying a lite sorc only wins b/c she has lightning spells...

lol at least i know im not alone. :prop:

[StrawberryCake]

a hdin told me not to run or charge away, coz its not allowed and i was a smite
^^

[Moritz]

in pubs winning=bm

which is true 80% of the time ;>

[crawlingdeadman]

So I pub lld a lot ( I enjoy killing ppl significantly higher level). I dueled a lvl 40 bone necro withmy FB sorc and teled away from his prison. I ended-up killing him. Later he said that, according to "Most" pvp forums, teleport is bm in low level duels.

I have also heard that in duels >75% res is bm.
ANY sorb is bm
OW is bm
Too much psn dmg is bm
CTA is bm.
FoH is bm.
Using pots IS NOT bm (wtf?)
Slow is BM (only on weaps)
Gear changes is bm

and many others. I'm curious as to 1) What some of the more stupid cries you have had in pub games and 2) what, if any, authenticity to these complaints there are.
all of my responses are for lld in general there are different standards for hld.

pots are bm in my opinion. i've used them (mana) on something i was testing out but once i have my final gear worked out i dont use pots.

tele is not necessarily bm per say but in some sanctioned play tele is a banned skill. some peple in pub games think that lld101's rules applies there to.

slow is bm if you're using it vs someone who is walking as is decrep, bone prison.

In most MeleeVMelee Poison damage is BM.


how could this be even close when a lot of kicker damage comes from poison (venom)?

but you know what, like many ppl said winning = bm in pubs as well as pretty much anything else. if you cant take the heat...

[brokensvt]

Seriously speaking, tele in LLD IS bm. Enigma doesn't exist at level 30, and most classes don't have a skill that allows them to move about quickly(excluding ofc charge, and sometimes BoS). Why on earth would it be fair for a FB/Blizz sorc to wait for a melee char to walk to them, then at the last second tele 1/2 a screen away? Come on man, seriously.

[Cppo-The-Wild]

mostly people call me noob/ bm player for running around with my bowzon instead of standing still

-Cppo

[DaemonAkuma]

Seriously speaking, tele in LLD IS bm. Enigma doesn't exist at level 30, and most classes don't have a skill that allows them to move about quickly(excluding ofc charge, and sometimes BoS). Why on earth would it be fair for a FB/Blizz sorc to wait for a melee char to walk to them, then at the last second tele 1/2 a screen away? Come on man, seriously.


Because sorceresses are made of glass. A barbarian, or a paladin, does not need to tele in lld b/c they're tnaks. A bone nec has bone armor. Druids have cyclone armor/sage. What do sorcs' have to equalize all that?

Teleport. It's mana-costly anyway and really the advantages dont' go far past getting out of BP and pissing ppl off. Tele does not hurt people...all it does is reset the chess pieces. Against a charger, kicksin, doenst matter. Doens't matter vs hdins either really since they can just set up a hammer field. I mean, in that case, it'd be unfair for hdins to use hammers b/c the dmg cant be resists like sorc spells right? I mean, it would then have to be bm for barbs to get Anya Q's since they have natural resistance. See what I mean? Skills cannot, ever, imo, be bm. Can they be a pain in the ***? Yup. But there are ways around it. It's not impossible to kill a teleing sorc. If the sorc teles away, just walk backwards...then her fbs won't hit you. In fact, if you have good rep life, you should clap your hands with joy since while she teles away to lick her wounds your life will go up.

Just me I guess ^)^ Far as I'm concerned gear is never bm, skills are never bm. Behavior is (and obviously mods, etc). One could produce an argument to say that desyncing is, since it takes advantage of game crappiness, but then that same argument would have to be applied to ibs, desyncing run barbs/zons, trang psn glitch on Venom dmg, etc.

As for 'chant...well, CTA is a runeword, right? Right. So players are using a skill on a runeword. If you want to apply that logic, that CTA should not be used b/c it's a barb-only skill, then I hope you're prepared to throw your Enigma away b/c, * bum bum bum * Tele is a sorc-only skill! Yup..

[crawlingdeadman]

sure there's not tele for other classes at lvl 30... unless you have a staff with charges :grin:

seriously for any non tele class there's frw. in lld frw = tele

[DaemonAkuma]

LoL CDM is sneaky ^)^

Yeah tele really doesn't help much other than escape prisons and move over topography. I prefer to run > tele anyway so I can shoot FBs to cover my rear

[Verashiden]

I've heard that Rabies is BM >.>

[DeathAwaits]

I've heard that Rabies is BM >.>
IMO if your in a non-pub game, doing strictly melee duels.

It is.

Because, it is not melee. However, in a pub game anything goes for the most part.

That's just my opinion though.

[Verashiden]

What about FireClaw? I got called BM for doing that in melee games >.<

[DeathAwaits]

What about FireClaw? I got called BM for doing that in melee games >.<
Pretty much any elemental damage in a Melee duel is considered BM. :P

From what I have heard/seen.

[superjayson]

Pretty much any elemental damage in a Melee duel is considered BM. :P


takes the fun right out of the game.

[HappyPants]

As for 'chant...well, CTA is a runeword, right? Right. So players are using a skill on a runeword. If you want to apply that logic, that CTA should not be used b/c it's a barb-only skill, then I hope you're prepared to throw your Enigma away b/c, * bum bum bum * Tele is a sorc-only skill! Yup..

The logic was more so based against other characters. Most other characters use 2-3 skills from other classes while most barbs use 1. That being sade I would gladly not use teleport on a barb if a sorc did not use battle orders or battle command. I dunno if desync is bm, but when I have trouble catching a sorc with teleport I usually desync and kill them anyways.

Also, chant on a barb would be the quivalent of a sorc skill that doubled mana.
You mean battle orders? I realize a sorcs battle orders might not be quite high enough to double mana, but it does increase it by a great amount.

[SlyFox]

All from my wolf:

Recasting Oak is BM
Using Ravens is BM
Rabies and walk away is BM (Verse a Smiter; what do they expect me to do, stand there?)
Dual Ravens are BM (I guess I understand because it has cold sorb but I wear them 95% of the time it's not like I do it on purpose)
Reshifting is BM
Stacked Res is BM

The only thing I ever complain about being BM is Life Tap oh and Bone Prison :wink2: .

[jesterlolz]

In a melee duel game before, I was dueling, and after I won a few, they told me walking was bm. They said in melee duels its bm to do anything but point and click.

Funny thing was, this was a smiter telling me to do this.

Btw, do you guys consider smite a melee attack, b/c when I told him this he went completely ballistic, as well as all the other people in the game (guess what type they were :wink3: ).

[akumaxxyz]

if anything requires you to get close to hit its a melee attack. its just people suck and must require you to duel their way so they can win.

most retarded guy i duel with was smite vs smite, he told not no charge, because its bm we must walk smite duel, of course the one who got better gear will win

[brokensvt]

You guys opened a can of worms. Smite isn't a melee attack, it doesn't rely on AR/defense in an equation to hit.

[akumaxxyz]

You guys opened a can of worms. Smite isn't a melee attack, it doesn't rely on AR/defense in an equation to hit.

that doesnt mean it is not a melee attack. melee means close combat so if you need to get close to hit it is a melee attack, but if you say it ww and smite overpowers othre melee attacks i'd agree with you

[HappyAssassin]

That is all the discussion of whether or not smite is melee that will take place in this thread. Use the searchy for the relevent threads for this topic.

[Kiba]

Smite isnt melee its pushing.

[Miikai]

WW is dancing.

[BoooBooo]

"Your not supposed to WW around me you noob, your supposed to WW THRU me."

I like these ones from smiters when I duel them with my barb.

[superjayson]

smite isnt melee cause we dont like it.

[Camintoi]

Enough with the bm. The game was made that way and its played that way. If you cant handle it stop complanining.

[spOOkzz]

For me, bad manners does not exist in open pub games.

Simpy because ... Anything Goes.

If you use a skill that can be absorbed, it will be....expect it.

No matter what your char or what skills you choose to use, someone is going to E-rage against you because they hate losing.

I think that every single char I have ever fielded in pub games has been accused of cheating and BM at one time or another. It's nice to have the squelch option... :)

My most "BM" chars were a FOH'er and a Poison Necro.. :) Boy, did I ever get a lot of flack when using them...lol.

The latest ones I saw/heard from Baal runs.... Zons shouldn't use multi or cast lightning. Blizzard lags the game out. Amp damage from Necs slows the game down. Barbs can't leap, it drops the game. Using an Ondals only works if you hit with it. Druids wolf summons takes all your experience away. Assasins shouldnt use the trap that explodes corpses.....and so on, etc...etc...

I honestly believe that some players have a brain the size of a pea.

I recently saw a Pally kick a torchless Zon from his runs even after the Zon went into WSK and helped him get his body back after he was killed. The Zon's sin? According to the Pally...she was using multi, which "drops the game" !

Incredible....:rolleyes:


S.

[Kiba]

smite isnt melee cause we dont like it.

VOUCH that

[Camintoi]

Yea Im pretty sure blizzard is well aware of the things they are implementing into the damn game. They know elemental will get sorbed like hell but they put it that way so thats the way its played. Im sick of people whining about it. Life sucks get over it.

[BoooBooo]

Hey Cam,

I'm sure Blizzard loves to hear suggestions as well from their market ie people who buy the game.

It's the people who play for years that will point out imbalances, glitches etc and therefore Blizzard tries to fix the bug.

Noone is whining.

[DaemonAkuma]

Imbalances?

48K Fireball dmg? If you don'st sorb it's WAYYYYYYY overpowered compared to melee attacks.

[akumaxxyz]

Imbalances?

48K Fireball dmg? If you don'st sorb it's WAYYYYYYY overpowered compared to melee attacks.

i think you mean meteor, anyway fireball still can get like 25k which means 1k+ dmg to a 75 res target yup overpowed a bit they tend to turn invinisble too

[tinncann25]

charged strike is melee, closed combat.

right?

:laugh:

[akumaxxyz]

what about rabies, you hit once and run like a pansy is it melee?

[DaemonAkuma]

CS is commonly associated with FC, in which case it is most definately not melee. Otherwise I would still consider it magic/elemental (esp since at high lvls cs w/o FC = garbage)

Rabies...is a melee attack that does elemental dmg (like CS). It really just depends. Some ppl consider attacks that are effected by DR% and DR to be melee and those effected by res/sorb/MDR are magical/elemental (that's only if you take melee out of it). Range isn't really a determining factor imo since there are ranged melee (bowzon, throw barb, etc). However, "like a pansy" seems kind of bullcrap to me...if you can't chase down and/or kill someone retreating that's your own problem and does not make the other person worse. In fact, I'm rather sick of people speaking condescendingly about those who use actual tactics other than just NL and praying for a good statistical advantage. I've never died to a rabies druid, even those considered "gg" built, so yeah. Same thing with Smite. It has 1 range...just walk backwards, or attack intelligently, or keep range. O.o

That's how I categorize attacks anyway. DR/DR%/Def - if it is effected in any way by any of those it's melee

res/sorb/MDR = Elemental/magical attack.

[superjayson]

everyone has such random opinions on whats melee or whats not. its all stupid. all it does is make this game not fun.

[TheBassman]

IMO if your in a non-pub game, doing strictly melee duels.

It is.

Because, it is not melee. However, in a pub game anything goes for the most part.

That's just my opinion though.

Rabies can be blocked, Rabies is affected by AR, Your wolf must be in weapon range to hit. Therefore, melee.

FC can be blocked, FC is affected by AR, Your wolf must be in weapon range to hit. Therefore, melee.

This would be like saying a barbarians berserk isn't melee.

:afro:

[HappyAssassin]

K, apparently no one can read.