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BanginCarAudio
06-09-2007, 22:43
Do any sorceress use Spirit Sheild? I am going to use it on mine for the resist + skills + fcr and the lovely fhr. I know its high str, but I will also have a torch, enigma, etc...
Enigma gives +1 to teleport....do + skills from items add on top of that or do you have to have a real skill point invested in it? If you don't...that saves two skill points to go elsewhere.
AnEvilPeanut
06-09-2007, 22:52
I will be using Spirit on my light sorc. I believe that plus skills add to the 1 pt from Enigma. But I never understood why people use/waste Enigma on Sorc's. Use Chains of Honor or something else with MF.
brokensvt
06-09-2007, 23:12
Enigma has 1 MF per level(at level 90, that's 70 more MF than CoH), and for a build that doesn't require massive resists from the armor slot, Enigma is king. It really shines on a PvM ES sorc. My current ES/Lightning sorc uses Enigma + Spirit.
BanginCarAudio
06-09-2007, 23:15
The only reason I could see using COH is if you need the resist, other wise enigma is far and away the better option.
AnEvilPeanut
06-09-2007, 23:20
Well I would need the resists, otherwise I'm going to be dead long before I can kill anything. I'm going with a high damage MFing light Sorc and even without Enigma I will have over 300MF, which is more than enough.
enigma is more than enugh invested into tele skill.. so yes it saves 2 points for non es sorc :thumbsup:
mephiztophelez
07-09-2007, 13:39
up'd viper > all other sorc armours....
brokensvt
07-09-2007, 14:22
Unless the sorc in question doesn't need 30 FCR to reach a breakpoint and/or doesn't need maxed resists(ES) and/or PREFERS something else. Otherwise yes, it's a kickin' armor.
Darkflight
07-09-2007, 16:17
Skin of the Vipermagi is the best armor in the game for any caster dependant on Faster Cast Rate when you add in how easy it is to find compared to Enigma/Chains of Honor/anything else you might think off.
Since I live in a dupe free enviorment (Single Player), Skin of the Vipermagi has been used on nearly all my casters that are not MF characters.
Skin of the Vipermagi is the best armor in the game for any caster dependant on Faster Cast Rate when you add in how easy it is to find compared to Enigma/Chains of Honor/anything else you might think off.
Since I live in a dupe free enviorment (Single Player), Skin of the Vipermagi has been used on nearly all my casters that are not MF characters.
you can't always add in price to that equation..wizspike is cheap and an awesome weapon for casters, so does that mean it's the best in every case and an upgrade to occy/hoto isn't ever worth it? also, you say viper is the best armor for any caster dependant on FCR, but some casters don't have teleport as a skill, or don't want to spend the 2 skill points.
Viper is a great armor, but that doesn' tmean it is the best in every scenario. coh, enigma, ormus, etc are better options for certain builds/situations.
Viper is a great armor, but that doesn' tmean it is the best in every scenario.
Yes, yes it is.
brokensvt
08-09-2007, 03:00
^Why would you bother even posting some ridiculous drivel such as that? It isn't the best for every scenario despite being a ridiculously great armor.
^Why would you bother even posting some ridiculous drivel such as that? It isn't the best for every scenario despite being a ridiculously great armor.
You just said it was ridiculously great. It's gotta be the best then!
mephiztophelez
08-09-2007, 05:48
you can't always add in price to that equation..wizspike is cheap and an awesome weapon for casters, so does that mean it's the best in every case and an upgrade to occy/hoto isn't ever worth it?.
seeing as we're suddenly talking "casters" as opposed to "sorc's" if your a hammerdin, a wizknife is THE supreme weapon. there is nothing better for a hld hammerdin to use. why? coz wizzy + 35 spirit shield + arach + glubs = 125%fcr. leaving ammy, helm & rings clear. ok, you could use a suicide branch, but the wizzy has such huge resis on it.
also, you say viper is the best armor for any caster dependant on FCR, but some casters don't have teleport as a skill, or don't want to spend the 2 skill points.
Viper is a great armor, but that doesn' tmean it is the best in every scenario. coh, enigma, ormus, etc are better options for certain builds/situations.
i still can't see the point of using enigma on a sorc. what do you get for it? 8%dr, some FRW, some MF and a lot of strength points.
if your an ES sorc, your probably going to max TK anyways, so you can only "save" one skillpoint. for a fire or cold Vita sorc, ok, 2 saved skillpoints. whoopdeedoo. no resis, no sockets to improve it. just level up 2 more levels if 2 skillpoints are that important to your build.
i mean c'mon, there is more than one armour in this game thats viable to use. shoving enigma on a sorc is, imho, even dumber than useing a Phoenix shield on a pvm pally for the auto-redemption. you need redemption, skill it and turn it on.
brokensvt
08-09-2007, 06:04
It's not for the 2 skills, there are plenty of options for getting those. It's for the massive strength bonus, which allows a full(or mostly) energy build, much like a hammerdin can build all vita and get 5k+ life. You don't dispute the hammerdin doing that eh(and no comments on the +1 teleport, that's not my point). The huge MF bonus, life after kill and 5% more life are icing on the cake. Indeed, there are more than one option for a sorc to use and quite frankly none are wrong. I bet you think that Gladiator's Bane is a horrible choice for an ES sorc too?
As for the "comparison" regarding a pvm paly using Phoenix, laugh at my hammerdin in a Chaos run. The aura isn't all the shield offers. It also offers 50 life(bo-able), fire sorbs, and max fire and light resist. My hammerdin takes absolutely little damage and when he does, the life bulb fills right back up. I guess using HoZ is "better" for a PvM paly, because you can then get 16k hammers and kill monsters in one hit as opposed to killing them...err...in one hit.
mephiztophelez
08-09-2007, 07:38
I bet you think that Gladiator's Bane is a horrible choice for an ES sorc too?
wrong. for an es sorc, iDR & mDR are your friends.
g-bane is a great armour and with the proliferation of runewords is very, very cheap. one of these days i might re-gear my pvm k/t'sin with a gbane just for the feeling of immortality that comes from ridiculous amounts of iDR/mDR.
As for the "comparison" regarding a pvm paly using Phoenix, laugh at my hammerdin in a Chaos run. The aura isn't all the shield offers. It also offers 50 life(bo-able), fire sorbs, and max fire and light resist. My hammerdin takes absolutely little damage and when he does, the life bulb fills right back up. I guess using HoZ is "better" for a PvM paly, because you can then get 16k hammers and kill monsters in one hit as opposed to killing them...err...in one hit.
i'd still use a spirit shield over either of those on a hammy. if i played hammy's, which i dont.
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