View Full Version : Do you want it to be an MMORPG?
silospen
10-04-2008, 20:13
...because I would hate it to be. I played WoW, got horribly addicted, managed to quit. Last thing I want it D3 jumping on the "lets get lots of users and a subscription fee" train.
Opinions?
StevehRogers
10-04-2008, 20:20
If D3 is 3D and a MMORPG Then it's no longer Diablo...
Thrandir
10-04-2008, 20:25
Agreed. I would stick with D2 if that happened.
Crowd Control
10-04-2008, 20:32
If D3 is 3D and a MMORPG Then it's no longer Diablo...
Actually, that's pretty well stated. Though I thought Diablo per definition IS a MMORPG.
CursedYew
10-04-2008, 20:32
They should only make some new skills to create more builds so the pvp is more various the camera should be zoomed out there should be something higher then hell and there should be act 6. Also it would be really cool if they add 2 classes that are BALANCED versus other classes.
Pretty early to be judging the quality of a potential MMO D3..Blizzard is very good at making games, they could make it work.
CursedYew- Uh, do you envision D3 to be D2 with extra content? If it ever comes out, it's going to be a new game from scratch, just as D1 to D2 was.
CursedYew
10-04-2008, 20:35
I hope not another stupid game like WoW where we have to 15 dollar per month >.< Ill just join a steady pserver then...
mystified
10-04-2008, 20:36
yeah nerf pallies :)
i proly would not see it being a nice game if it is yet another 3d mmorpg. only reason I am sticking to D2 is its various items, fun builds, and fast environment. i am yet to find a fast paced mmorpg. (real time battle in wow....just don't make to u say wow does it?)
StevehRogers
10-04-2008, 20:40
They should only make some new skills to create more builds so the pvp is more various the camera should be zoomed out there should be something higher then hell and there should be act 6. Also it would be really cool if they add 2 classes that are BALANCED versus other classes.
You make it sound like D3 will be another expansion for D2 :smiley: As said above IF it does come out there will be no current act 1-5 i hope the game isn't going to be anything like as linear as it is atm (quest wise).
silospen
10-04-2008, 20:43
Actually, that's pretty well stated. Though I thought Diablo per definition IS a MMORPG.
Kind of, the way I see it is if you have the large number of people interacting within the game, that's an MMORPG. However, in D2's case you have a large number of people interacting outside games and a small (tiny) number inside games. So it isn't a true MMORPG, as we know them.
This may be different from the actual definition.
pancakeman
10-04-2008, 21:13
I like the way it is now, almost like an MMO but not quite. I'd be happy if they just expanded the individual game capacity to ~30 or so and called it even.
Crowd Control
10-04-2008, 21:22
If they were building a new Diablo, I think most time spent on development is on balancing the game. Not so much working on the graphics or gameplay. If it's going a bit with the franchise they'll definitely keep the most important elements in a sequel. Otherwise they might as well just make a whole new game with a new name.
pancakeman
10-04-2008, 21:32
I agree, although I think the graphics will play a major part. They were behind in the graphical race with DII, I can't see them doing that again.
That being said, I would much prefer the game to be ugly than the be not fun.
MMO or not its going to be awesome. i want Diablo III :)
I'de rather not seeing DIII as a MMORPG, I've tried a few and did not like any of them much. But I'm sure whatever Blizzard makes of it it'll be awesome. Though I hope they wont demand a monthly fee to play it online, then it's pservers for me as well.
mince pies
10-04-2008, 21:57
Tbh, my version of D3 would simply be the same as DII:LoD but with a new storyline, new cinematics, more skills and classes, more items and a higher maximum level.
Tbh, my version of D3 would simply be the same as DII:LoD but with a new storyline, new cinematics, more skills and classes, more items and a higher maximum level.
im glad you are not a developer at Blizzard:D
Drandimere
11-04-2008, 00:46
...because I would hate it to be. I played WoW, got horribly addicted, managed to quit. Last thing I want it D3 jumping on the "lets get lots of users and a subscription fee" train.
Opinions?
There is a lot of money to be made by doing a MMORPG (monthly subscriptions), but I pray that Blizzard is smart enough to stick with the games roots and have great single player play with an engaging story line. I would hope that there could be a combination. Warcraft 3 came out before WOW, so maybe something along those lines.
bliz already has their mmo monster, they dont need another one, i hope they make it fun and ftp online like d2
bliz already has their mmo monster, they dont need another one, i hope they make it fun and ftp online like d2
the new MMO is already in development
I wouldn't mind if it was a MMORPG. As mentioned above, D2 already feels a little like that.
I won't mind MMORPG, but I would like it to be like D2 is enabling me to do now, in which you can set the amount of players and lvl requirements of players.
I tried Guild Wars, Mythos, Hellgate London and I always seem to return to D2.
It's a golden combination of speed, skills, chars, items, available builds with calculators, forums etc..
Just plain and simple. In newer MMORPG you have so much craft options it will take a complete study to be good @ it. With D2 you only have a few good options so you can spend your time more with just playing the game.
About the 3d part vs speed in game:
I hardly see how you can teleport in a 3D environement as you can do that in 2D. With nice pixel shaders and sharp contrasts I think I have enough fake 3D to handle. Pretty for the eyes and easy to follow fast :flip:
Gameplay > pretty graphics
I played a little WoW and yes it was pretty but far too much trogging around. The thought of having to MP to do stuff ... no. That's why I don't play bnet much. Because a shed load of people out there are dipsticks. Can't be doing with that.
SP/LAN (please god LAN) and one time purchase price please. Otherwise, it stays on the shelf for me.
(Assuming it exists.)
Nightfish
11-04-2008, 12:53
Well, WoW isn't getting any younger... I could see "World of Diablo" as a successor to it. Sure, lots of people will stay with WoW for a while longer. But a lot of people that haven't started WoW yet or have played it until they got sick of it are looking for something else. I've only played one MMO thus far and it had it's ups and downs. Not sure if I'd go with D3 if it were to be the new WoW.
Personally I don't really want D3 to be a MMO but I kinda believe it will be. That's just where the money is.
I doubt D3 will be my kind of game because they don't make my kind of game any more these days. They put too much energy in graphics and not enough into substance. Yes, stuff looks incredibly realisitic. But once you've seen it, you've seen it.
Crowd Control
11-04-2008, 13:05
They'll probably use a p2p system anyways. Just think about it, the D2 community is still huge and big portion would switch to paying without hesitation. That's big €€ anyway. And don't forget that a solid portion of WoW has played D2. Bringing a new game of Diablo on the market, with just the purchase of the game and free online play will cut them a great deal of money from the WoW stack.
I hope I'm wrong though....
I-bring-realm-down
11-04-2008, 15:59
They may do something like Hellgate did: Normal play is free and premium is 9.99/month. It will not be a MMO but being premium will give you what you pay for.
The smart thing would be to follow the same mold as diablo II and keep it free. However with the success of WoW, I would not be surprised if we are hit with a $14.99/month fee. We are lucky starcraft 2 will be free to play online.....
In their entire library of games, they make a single MMO and everybody thinks every other game will be an MMO from then on.
No. It won't be an MMO.
Blizzard said it themselves, WoW is their MMO and they intend on keeping it alive for as long as they can via updates, expansions and tech-upgrades.
If you don't believe that, consider the following:
- They already have an MMO, making another would be shooting themselves in the foot. Even when you just consider team size. 2 MMOs? Do you know how many people work on WoW?
- Blizzard is not an MMO company/publisher (like SoE or NCsoft).
- Every other game except WoW has free-play on battle.net
- They're updating/upgrading Battle.net with the upcoming Starcraft 2.
Diablo 3 will have Battle.net and it will be free to play online.
Now, whenever or not I want Diablo 3 to be an MMO, the answer is no. As much as I like the idea of an MMO, Diablo should stay true to it's original form. I want single-player, LAN and Battle.net. If I wanted to play an MMO, I'd still be playing WoW.
SPApropos
11-04-2008, 23:33
d3 will be a great game when it comes out, blizzard has seen how well the first 2 so (we can hope) they will do d3 justice
that being said i feel pesimistic
if they go to a 3d they will completely destroy all lower end computer users (there is a lot out there, even dial up users)
and don't forget, blizzard is a company. it's *all* about their bottom line, if they do the battlenet free play system for a new game, they will loose a lot of money. grow the number exponentialy due to any time it is up and playing (not to mention debugging, patching, expansions, etc)
all in all i'm quite looking forward to a new diablo, no matter where i go i come back to 2, so i hope 3 will work good enough with me to be my new e-addiction
silospen
11-04-2008, 23:55
Blizzard said it themselves, WoW is their MMO and they intend on keeping it alive for as long as they can via updates, expansions and tech-upgrades.
If you don't believe that, consider the following:
- They already have an MMO, making another would be shooting themselves in the foot. Even when you just consider team size. 2 MMOs? Do you know how many people work on WoW?
- Blizzard is not an MMO company/publisher (like SoE or NCsoft).
- Every other game except WoW has free-play on battle.net
- They're updating/upgrading Battle.net with the upcoming Starcraft 2.
Diablo 3 will have Battle.net and it will be free to play online.
Any links to where Blizzard said that D3 isn't going to be an MMO? Or that WoW was the only MMO they were going to make?
- Actually, it wouldn't be that much of a bad idea. They already have the hardware infrastructure, an idea of sizes and teams needed to run an MMO, where they can optimise basic implementation details to improve on WoW..etc.
- As far as I can see, they are an MMO company/publisher. That's right, they produced and MMO! Even their previous games were massively multiplayer, though (probably because of technical restrictions) those people couldn't play together
- So you're suggesting they'll make D3 non subscription based because all the other games they released X years ago weren't? I think you're being naive.
- They're updating/upgrading battlenet for SC sure...but SC and D3 are likely to be completely different games. I would imagine that D3 wouldn't run on battlenet, or if it did, it would be a different implementation. D2 and SC are pretty similar, server -> client structure, game based play where players enter a game together, etc. D3 is unlikely to be like this, considering how the RPG has evolved recently (Guild Wars, WoW, every other recent MMO under the sun), it's unlikely they'd take a step back and go back to having player limits in games and only allowing a certain number of people to interact outside a chat interface at once.
I would also still be playing WoW if I wanted to play an MMO. Which underlines my point, they already have a lot of people who've drifted away. I bet they could capitalize on that pretty easily with a D3 MMO. I mean, consider out of the people who've drifted away from WoW, if only 30% go to D3 MMO, that's still a huge amount to regain.
VloodTempes
12-04-2008, 00:40
Diablo could be a adult MMO.. Scary and with Gore... lots of it!
LonghornRob
12-04-2008, 01:19
If it is an MMO, with a monthly fee, I won't play it. I don't play games often as it is, so paying to play as much as I can each month certainly won't be worth it.
Omikron8
12-04-2008, 08:48
hellgate london showed that ARPG players hate traditional MMOS
Omikron8
12-04-2008, 08:52
im glad you are not a developer at Blizzard:D
except even today (ie. this year) blizzard could release another expansion to diablo 2 with 1-2 new classes, a new act (and act boss), bunch of new items and crafting recipes
and they would sell millions of copies of it
i know i would be there first day to buy it
silospen
12-04-2008, 12:42
Some interesting results coming out of the vote. I guess I shouldn't be surprised - anyone who likes/wants MMORPGs has probably already moved on to WoW, we dinosaurs are left behind :P
It's interesting Elly voted for and Flux voted against, nice to see some balance on the Admin team.
(PS: Elly, you're on "the list" now, along with the rest of you)
crawlingdeadman
12-04-2008, 19:15
bliz already has their mmo monster, they dont need another one, i hope they make it fun and ftp online like d2
i agree with this one. if they made it an mmo you'd think that'd take away (at least a little bit) some of WoW's players.
they have solid rts, non mmo rpg, and a mmorpg.
Nazdakka
12-04-2008, 23:58
Well, WoW isn't getting any younger... I could see "World of Diablo" as a successor to it. Sure, lots of people will stay with WoW for a while longer. But a lot of people that haven't started WoW yet or have played it until they got sick of it are looking for something else. I've only played one MMO thus far and it had it's ups and downs. Not sure if I'd go with D3 if it were to be the new WoW.
Personally I don't really want D3 to be a MMO but I kinda believe it will be. That's just where the money is.
I doubt D3 will be my kind of game because they don't make my kind of game any more these days. They put too much energy in graphics and not enough into substance. Yes, stuff looks incredibly realisitic. But once you've seen it, you've seen it.
I agree. It's very likely that D3 will be an MMO, regardless of what we want.
Why? WoW is not a new game, and it won't remain hugely profitable forever. Blizzard have made vast amounts from one MMO, and they would be silly not to have another one lined up for the future. Taking a wild guess at the length of their development cycle, D3's release date will likely be somewhere in the general region of mid 2009-early 2010. By that time, WoW will be 5 years old, and will look pretty dated. There's only so much propping up you can do with expansion packs. They will need a replacement... and there's D3, arriving right on time. D2 already has many of the attributes of an MMO, so it's not like it would be a huge leap.
I suspect that the best D2 can hope for is the realms staying up and perhaps the odd minor content/bugfix patch, like 1.11.
Pyrohemia
13-04-2008, 00:19
I only hope that Diablo 3 is not subscription based like WoW, because I will never pay a subscription for a game. It does not matter to me that there are upsides such as dependable servers etc.
If blizzard could make Diablo 3 a MMO without the subscription then I would buy it in a heartbeat, otherwise I think that they should stick to something more along the lines of Diablo 2.
DII may be MMO-ish but it's very different from MMOs. Diablo is an action game whereas MMOs are designed to be slow as hell because then you will play for longer. I don't want Diablo to have raiding, I don't want it to have the boring drop system WoW has (it should be 100% random), I don't want it to have the much lamer item system WoW has etc.
Diablo is fun because it isn't an MMO. Characters don't mean anything in Diablo only your items do, whereas characters mean a ton in MMOs. There's no such thing as running around killing 20 enemies per second with LF in an MMO, because they aren't action games :/
btw, notice how they talk about how they want StarCraft to be the opposite of WarCraft. In WC they go for small armies and hero units, and in SC they go for massive armies. They don't want to make their games too similar. Besides, they've been working on Diablo III for a long time (supposedly) and it's doubtful that they'd work on a new MMO that early.
Either way though I'm sure it's going to have much much improved online features. Even if it's not a persistent world it's going to be more of an MMO in terms of interaction. DII was supposed to have guild support but it didn't make it. Persistent worlds are wasted opportunities in most MMOs anyway. They just exist, they don't change so they might as well be instances.
Bluechip
15-04-2008, 17:41
NO. I played my share of WoW. Enjoyed much of it, some of it not so much. I always sort of leaned towards single player with the occasional grouping, and it drove me nuts about how, for much of the time, you had to go on these big raids and what not to compete with gear. I want to be able to enjoy the game on my schedule, which may loan itself more to single player / random grouping.
I still can come back to D2 and be excited to play it. I still get a kick out of playing obscure builds and trying to beat the game, or trying to find / trade for that one item.
Above all though, to me the Diablo universe is about your hero against all the forces of evil. You're not some cog in the big machinery of war, like in WoW... here, you're the one who has to vanquish the evil diablo or die trying (or become corrupted and die afterwards, as the case may be). I feel this universe loans itself more to the single player / small group dimensions, and I hope it stays that way.
It would be cool if they made the PvP a little more flexible and dynamic, but that would just be icing on the cake for me. Oh! And I would like to see, with a new game, definite, periodic ladder updates, at least for a while, as well as big crackdowns on cheating, and if the dynamics are similar to D2, a way to prevent rushing if one so chose. My $.02
edit: I agree with the above poster, moranor.
Angel_of_Wrath
16-04-2008, 19:03
I say NO, because that is not the heritage of Diablo. However, I would absolutely pay a monthly fee for server administration and the (inevitable) hack fixes.
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