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Let's check Necromancer's popularity among fans of the game!
Xthatoneguy
30-06-2008, 03:26
umm...no?
There's only going to be 5 classes and there's already a necro-like character, the witchdoctor
The necromancer in d2 only had 1 good build (summoner) and really it's pretty boring just standing around watching skeletons kill everything for you -- the witchdoctor looks much more interesting, using poisons and mindcontrol for crowd control.
I'd rather Blizzard came up with some original ideas instead of remaking the same exact things from D2 (though they're great, why would I pay 50$ for a replica with some better graphics?)
I've seen it mentioned in a few places that the witchdoctor is not a replacement for the necro. I haven't found a blizzard source on that yet however, but I really hope its true. The necromancer is one of the best characters in Diablo 2, and the witchdoctor just doesn't cut it IMO.
It is a nice way for them to stir up talk about the game though. :p
mjkittredge
30-06-2008, 05:18
Of course, they can always add more characters in an expansion
No idea - since I haven't played D3, I have no idea how fun the witch doctor will or won't be.
rickster
30-06-2008, 05:30
I'd say it's a good guess they'll have a necromancer character in the expansion.
Kiroptus
30-06-2008, 05:33
Well me just copy-past my thoughts from the other thread:
Of all the classes in D2, the necromancer was the most original in terms of gameplay. All the other classes were very run-of-the-mill in RPGs. Mage, Archer, Knight and Warrior. The necromancer had much more interesting tricks on his sleeve rather than raw damage.
He had manipulation, summons and could dish out great damage. Barbarians on the other hand were a chore to play until you get WW. In the class design chat they said how a skill that passivally ads +2 ou +3% crit chance was too boring. Which was pretty much what the D2 barb was, full of passives, boring one hit attacks. Hell... even the shouts are pretty much passive effects that have to be applied again and again. Only WW was the thing that stood out from him. I never liked the barb because I dont like rushing, and playing through lv 1 to 29 untwiked was amazingly boring.
If the barb, the most item depentent, full of boring passives class and very few fun skills was updated to the D3 barb, which gameplay is now beautiful to behold, full of action, movements, leaps, strong and cool attacks, etc... I cant see how the necromancer himself couldnt get his own update. Of all classes he was the one who really stand out in terms of being diferent.
And no, the WD isnt the update, some of the necro's concepts were transfered to the WD, but he isnt the necromancer. I dont think its cool to receive the WD so badly, maybe I will like him but I cant see why the most original and diferent character was axed and returning only with a fraction of its former concept.
umm...no?
There's only going to be 5 classes and there's already a necro-like character, the witchdoctor
I agree with this, but...
The necromancer in d2 only had 1 good build (summoner) and really it's pretty boring just standing around watching skeletons kill everything for you
Completely disagree with this.
I agree with this
Except that someone from Blizzard already said that the WD isn't a replacement for the Necro... Now that doesn't mean the Necro is in there, but the WD isn't a replacement - so it's a possibility they're in there.
Kiroptus
30-06-2008, 05:53
Except that someone from Blizzard already said that the WD isn't a replacement for the Necro... Now that doesn't mean the Necro is in there, but the WD isn't a replacement - so it's a possibility they're in there.
Lets be realistic here. WD might not be a replacement but the necromancer WAS removed. The WD has many themes and concepts from the necromancer so... if a necro, similar to the D2 was used, it would have some similiarities with the WD which is certainly not what Blizzard wants as I am sure they want to have every class to have diferent styles.
billobob
30-06-2008, 06:20
Lets be realistic here. WD might not be a replacement but the necromancer WAS removed. The WD has many themes and concepts from the necromancer so... if a necro, similar to the D2 was used, it would have some similiarities with the WD which is certainly not what Blizzard wants as I am sure they want to have every class to have diferent styles.
dead on. Also, for people scared I would say the WD will resemble the necro much more than, say, the WoW shaman. The concept art and character design, although it does feature some "voodoo" type gear, looks fare more in the necro "undead" style than a forest or jungle motif
LucianDK
30-06-2008, 09:35
While the Necro might have been cool, this is an entirely new game. Dont expect to see and get the same classes.
I for one is excited to see this new iteration of a dark magician that is NOT an archetype that has been done to death in so many games.
Besides, it doesnt suprise me that the necromancer took the hit. Because having an army of undead to fight for you, dramatically throws balance out of the window. Just look at Guild Wars where the necromancer's minionmaster side took hard and severe hits to keep their power in check, but they are still one of the most potent builds that lets you snooze your way through the game because you can even out the number difference between foes and your party.
I wonder how do they solve armor issue for this WD dude. AFAIK, those tribal guys wear only fancy masks and some bone amulets, bracers and tatoos.
I would like a Necro with cool Elite Unique Bone Armor. You know: skull like helmet with smoldering eyes, exoskeleton style etc. Check out "Corruptor Raiment" and "Malefic Raiment" from WOW to see what I have in mind.
WD is not a valid Necro replacement for me. Having to chose now, I would pick Barb hands down.
Basically, I want a class, which is more hellish, wicked and badass than DIABLO HIMSELF! :D
How cool is to fight Diablo minions with... you own demons summoned from Hell? It's like constantly kicking Big D in the *** saying: "dude your demon kung fu <<< my demon kung fu".
If the necromancer does get taken off the witch doctor at a high level will most likely be able to summon just as many creatures as the necromancer was able to in D2. Thats just my opinion though.
Zarniwoop
30-06-2008, 10:04
No chance they allow the number of summons they did in D2.
My fear is that it won't be hard enough if you can live without potions and heal between battles.
stillman
30-06-2008, 10:18
Hideo, you seemed to have forgotten a section on the poll which you probably turned into the "who cares" part. You should have added "Hell no, I don't want anymore d2 characters back in d3".
The games looks very d2ish already especially with the barb jumping around. I want all the d2 chrs dead and burried.
Now I admit, the necro was extremely original in d2 not falling into the previous fighter/mage/archer molds. Soooo...if they can be that original, I'm sure they can come up with some new classes that will invent new molds.
Are you all SURE you don't want d2.5 or a d2 patch? How about another d2 expansion?
Are you all SURE you don't want d2.5 or a d2 patch? How about another d2 expansion?
I know that I want 3D D3 with reworked Necromancer class, just like they did it with Barbarian. If Necromancer was so unique and fitted Diablo style so well, it should be in D3 too.
I don't give a damn about originality, since I played THOUSANDS of PC games for about 15 years and noticed certain pattern: fun has NO relationship with superficial originality AT ALL. It's all in execution. It's perfectly possible to make very original new Necromancer without replacing it with a theme of voodoo magic.
When people say: "OMG Barb again... SO boring!" I laugh. From the very first gameplay video it's apparent that Barb is going to be something COMPLETELY different than it used to be.
It will be really shame if they finally drop Necro as it seems possible accounting the current facts.
IMHO Necromancer was one of THE most unique character concepts ever created not only in the diablo universe but as well at other RPG game themes. It is already a cult figure in D2 with his summons/minions play style and his dark curses and spells.
So lets add our voices and who knows maybe at last it is in the hands the fans to keep the skinny pale pal alive in yet another installment of the game!
So... I answer the poll and start reading the opening post. To my surprise it is about a theory that the American goverment was behind 9/11. I think "what the hell?", and then I see all the other posts discussing the same thing! Then I remember that this forum throws you to a random thread when you answer a poll. :crazyeyes:
Anyway, a poll was a good idea, even though I learned that I belong to the minority.
MrProphet
02-07-2008, 08:35
The necromancer in d2 only had 1 good build (summoner) and really it's pretty boring just standing around watching skeletons kill everything for you -- the witchdoctor looks much more interesting, using poisons and mindcontrol for crowd control.
Welcome to the 3 skill trees of the Diablo II necromancer: summoning, poisen and bone, and curses.
I think we should listen to everything this guy has to say. :unimpressed:
As a huge necromancer fan in D2, I have to say I wouldn't mind at all a completely new, re-worked, fantastic necromancer.
On the other hand...after watching the gameplay videos I have to say the concept of a witch doctor sounds pretty interesting. It might just be my personal opinion but I'd love to play as a witch doctor. In my eyes it seems the spiritual successor of the DII necromancer.
The only real issue I do see with this, however, is the effect on the Diablo II lore. The necromancer is a vital part of the lore in the Diablo universe. I couldn't see Blizzard just throwing him away and replacing him with the shiny new witch doctor. Either they'll include both the necromancer AND the witch doctor (unlikely), or necromancers will still be in the game as NPCs and such, just not as playable characters.
LucianDK
02-07-2008, 16:52
Welcome to the 3 skill trees of the Diablo II necromancer: summoning, poisen and bone, and curses.
I think we should listen to everything this guy has to say. :unimpressed:
As a huge necromancer fan in D2, I have to say I wouldn't mind at all a completely new, re-worked, fantastic necromancer.
On the other hand...after watching the gameplay videos I have to say the concept of a witch doctor sounds pretty interesting. It might just be my personal opinion but I'd love to play as a witch doctor. In my eyes it seems the spiritual successor of the DII necromancer.
The only real issue I do see with this, however, is the effect on the Diablo II lore. The necromancer is a vital part of the lore in the Diablo universe. I couldn't see Blizzard just throwing him away and replacing him with the shiny new witch doctor. Either they'll include both the necromancer AND the witch doctor (unlikely), or necromancers will still be in the game as NPCs and such, just not as playable characters.
Given the official info on Skeleton warriors and armies, I think it is a strong hint that the necromantic orders have succumbed to the forces of the burning hell.
MrProphet
03-07-2008, 07:07
Given the official info on Skeleton warriors and armies, I think it is a strong hint that the necromantic orders have succumbed to the forces of the burning hell.
Actually...if you're familiar with Diablo lore, the necromancers are part of an order that serves Balance between both good and evil. The first necromancer (Rathma) was taught by the dragon Trag'Oul (the set named after him in DII is a typo, i'm told).
You know though, if good had too much of an advantage over evil, the necromancers might have to do 'bad' things to help restore the balance. However, in Sanctuary, it seems evil is always prevalent over good, so necromancers never have to swing the opposite way (no humor intended).
Dorfoumous
03-07-2008, 07:17
did anyone mention that they haven't released the other characters, and we aren't even in alpha stage?
I voted for witch doctor, I don't want to play the same 5 classes again. I think it was a mistake for the Barb to come back, because now all the necro fans want a necro and If blizzard gives them a necro all the zon fans will want a zon ....
This leads to Diablo II with updated graphics. I have Diablo II, I want D3
LucianDK
03-07-2008, 18:03
I voted for witch doctor, I don't want to play the same 5 classes again. I think it was a mistake for the Barb to come back, because now all the necro fans want a necro and If blizzard gives them a necro all the zon fans will want a zon ....
This leads to Diablo II with updated graphics. I have Diablo II, I want D3
Thats the truth of it. I dont think blizzard had entirely thought it through by returning the Barbarian. That just makes the other class lovers envious.
PontifulGC
03-07-2008, 18:14
I voted for witch doctor, I don't want to play the same 5 classes again. I think it was a mistake for the Barb to come back, because now all the necro fans want a necro and If blizzard gives them a necro all the zon fans will want a zon ....
This leads to Diablo II with updated graphics. I have Diablo II, I want D3
100% agree. All it does is say: Hey, you die-hard fans of D2! Yes, the ones that found it fun to play for a decade, hey, um, oh **** You! hahah!
heres the barb though, back in action and better!
you MUST now like the stupid mock voodoo native guy. I hated them in the jungle in the game, now I have to be one? They looked retarded back in d2 and I Loved to kill them brutally. Now I can be one!
GI JOOOOEE!!! :thumbup:
If we sit down and think about it, the concept is still the same. Why are we fretting over a name change?
Poison skills -> Disease
Skeletons -> Minions
Curses -> That.. warcry/terror whatever it was.
"100% agree. All it does is say: Hey, you die-hard fans of D2! Yes, the ones that found it fun to play for a decade, hey, um, oh **** You! hahah!"
If it makes you feel better, the witch-doctor feels like a necromancer with a facelift, a facelift noteworthy enough of meriting a name change.
LucianDK
03-07-2008, 21:20
If we sit down and think about it, the concept is still the same. Why are we fretting over a name change?
Poison skills -> Disease
Skeletons -> Minions
Curses -> That.. warcry/terror whatever it was.
"100% agree. All it does is say: Hey, you die-hard fans of D2! Yes, the ones that found it fun to play for a decade, hey, um, oh **** You! hahah!"
If it makes you feel better, the witch-doctor feels like a necromancer with a facelift, a facelift noteworthy enough of meriting a name change.
QFT. The witch doctor is a more creative and reimagined version of the necro that makes me want to play Diablo3 because its a NEW and interesting looking class. Trust blizzard to come up with a original dark spellcaster class instead of reusing a now rather tired old archetype from western fantasy. The Necromancer had his time in the sun in Diablo2 and was popular for a decade because of D2.
And great to see people is picking up on it, the WD is pulling ahead in the poll.
PontifulGC
04-07-2008, 07:10
people who never played necros are voting. if this was a necro forum on dii and there was somewhere else non necro players could go, WD would be laughing stock.
Ampersand
04-07-2008, 15:50
your word against everyone else's..
I played the necro in d2 and can't wait to get rid of him
smartdot
04-07-2008, 16:17
people who never played necros are voting. if this was a necro forum on dii and there was somewhere else non necro players could go, WD would be laughing stock.
your point is moot. its like saying that a presidential candidate says that people who work in factories dont have to pay taxes. If you ask people in a factory, of course they're going to say they want to vote for them. But if you ask in an office building, you'll get mixed responses. does that mean that the people in the office aren't allowed to vote?
There's a much bigger problem to the poll beyond people who never once played the necro voting. We know very, very little about what the new witchdoctor is like. We know absolutely NOTHING about what the necromancer would be like in D3. People are comparing the WD, who is brand new with better graphics and animations, with the ten years old version of the necromancer.
Which do you like better, that brand new desktop computer with pretty lights and dual quad core processors, or the ten years old doorstop?
Reading through a lot of these threads, its very clear to me that most people have no imagination, so asking them to picture a new and improved version of the necro doesn't work.
People are comparing the WD, who is brand new with better graphics and animations, with the ten years old version of the necromancer.
IMO, old Necro still wins, hands down. ^_^
skeletons > mongrels
poison nova/explosion > locust
terror > horrify (No, I don't like to have a HUGE overdone ghost over my char.)
necro model >>> hobo model
necro animation > WD animation
There is virtually no way in which WD is superior to Necro visually.
PontifulGC
05-07-2008, 06:34
yeah. that about sums it up.
unless you are into Disney and annoying things. then it's great.
Sounds a lot like people wants a glorified D2 patch. I vote WD because I want to play something new.
Take a step back and look at the class progression from D1 to D2. I'd expect them to make the same sorts of changes going to D3. I'd hope that they dont bring necros back (at least not till expansion) because I want to play 5 new classes and if they include necro that means i've only got 3 new ones inc WD to play.
**** that. If i want to play necromancer i'll play D2.
Also I do play necromancer for the "oh noes ppl who dont like necros are voting". Beating the ubers on a summoner was a lot of fun, but I want something new in D3.
Skill/theme overlapping isnt a big deal anyway, look at druids. copied from barb/sorc/necro skills/themes mostly and they still put it in.
Mod Edit: Don't bypass the word filter
AxlStrife
06-07-2008, 10:27
Do I want to see the Necromancer back? No. The Witch Doctor fills that slot well for a character "not intended to cancel out the necro." I see the emo generation loving the graveyard-tanned, bone-wearing, scrawny, mullet-wearing guy as more flavorful, and veterans of D2 have been accustomed to seeing him for almost a decade, so I can understand the hesitation, but the volume of the outcry is ridiculous.
I'd be happy either way, but change shouldn't be shot down so quickly and vehemently. We don't know the scope of the changes in Sanctuary, so I say don't pass hasty judgment.
I honestly wish they didn't keep any of the previous classes, it's a new game after all, not a new d2 expansion, but since they kept the barb I hpe he'll get serious remake. So while I like the d2 necro, I don't want to see it in d3. Imo the WD seems cool and it's definitely a similar character to the necro, renewed, and I wouldn't like a necro and a WD.
LordJulio
09-07-2008, 03:01
i must say that rigth now im like WTF!!! what they take out the necro, i want to see it 3d with all his skills.........
But honestly im just annoyed because they take back the barb but not the necro. I guess when the game came out im just going to say "well lets see what u got WD" and then " OMG this is great" (I hope).......
There are still some unique skills that maybe are going to die with the necro
Anyway they have not say the final word, they are still in....... em.... i donmt remember...............
Forumancer
09-07-2008, 03:45
Witch doctor? "NECRO"Mancer? What?!?!?! Make a FORUMANCER! *Casts revive on forum*
lionheart
09-07-2008, 08:58
Just one thing for the people that say i dont want to play d2 again.
If they had brought the necromancer is not like they were gonna bring the same exact thing as before. The look would have been different and im sure it would have had a whole new array of skills or improved ones. I dont think you could have gone with the exact same strategy and just beat the game because you knew how the old necro worked. You can see that they have changed stuff on the barbarian, its not a cornucopia of the old one.
Anyway i have no problem whatsoever in playing the witch doctor and other new classes they come out with
ciprialex
17-07-2008, 14:19
polling is fun , for voting purposes and such, but the thread itself is pointless, since there's no way to fit in the necro with only 3 classes left, with obvious ranged/magic/holy classes left untouched yet.
Cwicseolfor
22-07-2008, 09:34
Lets be realistic here. WD might not be a replacement but the necromancer WAS removed. The WD has many themes and concepts from the necromancer so... if a necro, similar to the D2 was used, it would have some similiarities with the WD which is certainly not what Blizzard wants as I am sure they want to have every class to have diferent styles.
No, the necromancer just wasn't ADDED. Based on Blizzard's response, it'd seem like they haven't really thought about the other 3 character classes yet.
I'm not saying the Necro will be added, but Blizzard doesn't seem to have thought about it either way.
AxlStrife
22-07-2008, 21:29
...Based on Blizzard's response, it'd seem like they haven't really thought about the other 3 character classes yet.
Ron Pardo (http://www.gamespot.com/video/930659/6193139/diablo-iii-interview) (from 2:05 to 2:14) disagrees.
this is what happened: ah, we need something new. what about we take an necromancer, change his skill animation, change his armor and moves, calls him witch doctor.
I played necro and always loved necro. I think WD is not as cool cos I loved necro too much. if necromancer gets a upgrade into D3 they will have exactly what WDs are having at the moment, like that wall of zumbies. maybe if they called them Necro Doctor I will like them better.
every current RPG games have classes address direct magic, indirect magic, range, close combat. with WD showing up I see Necro is not coming back. period. u will still see some class using bows but not called amazon, someone casting lighting spells but not called sorceress. that is alright. we are getting D3. I will take anything.
GreatInRemembrance
23-07-2008, 04:05
They'd need a good story as to why the followers of Rathma, so concerned with upholding the balance in the world, all of the sudden just disappeared from this conflict.
They'd need a good story as to why the followers of Rathma, so concerned with upholding the balance in the world, all of the sudden just disappeared from this conflict.
Meanwhile in the underground city of the Priests of Rathma:
"Come on man, the balance of the world is in jeopardy again."
*click* *click* *click*
"Not right now Rob. I just joined a group for Scarlet Monastery. I'm going to get Whitemane's Chapeau tonight, I can feel it..."
:D
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