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sectoid
01-07-2008, 20:39
Look what I found here:
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/world/

http://i26.tinypic.com/vosq5c.jpg

Why are there TWO DEMONS and ONE ANGEL? References in Diablo were always mirrored, one angel, one demon. Usually, facing one another, as in opposing each other. Here, they look like they're making mischief together... :scratchchin:

What do you think? Of course, this may be another angel(Inarius?), or may mean nothing at all.

Telzen
01-07-2008, 20:45
Looks to me like it could just be Angel in conflict with Demon with Diablo in the backdrop. Three way fighting maybe?

eseven
01-07-2008, 21:19
They do mention problems in Heaven so it seems entirely possible that we'll be fighting some angels as well :)

Morphinia
01-07-2008, 21:19
the angel on the right isnt tyrael, thats izual

sectoid
01-07-2008, 21:31
Isn't Izual the one we killed in D2?

Ghosted
01-07-2008, 21:43
It's a statue.

tetracycloide
01-07-2008, 22:58
the angel on the right isnt tyrael, thats izual

what are you basing this statement on?

rickrollin
02-07-2008, 00:02
has anyone else seen a picture of a blue background of what seems like a ring of ice and glowing eyes peeking out of it flash as the diablo 3 site load up? I'm just curious as to what that is because it just flashes briefly and then is gone.

Ghosted
02-07-2008, 00:03
has anyone else seen a picture of a blue background of what seems like a ring of ice and glowing eyes peeking out of it flash as the diablo 3 site load up? I'm just curious as to what that is because it just flashes briefly and then is gone.

Wow...you definitely missed all of last week...

rickrollin
02-07-2008, 00:32
lmao, yup care to explain then? or direct me towards a page?

sectoid
02-07-2008, 00:55
rickrollin, he's referring to the splash images that changed every day last week before the WWI and D3's announcement. They were at most Blizzard's sites.
Take a look at last week's news here at diabloii.net :)

raveharu
02-07-2008, 04:32
LOL the demon and angel are exactly the ones that appear on the interface in-game, you know directly under the health and mana orbs.

You guys think too much :whistling:

Sequitur
02-07-2008, 04:47
Yeah, looks like regular fancy artwork. I think the excitement is going to everyone's heads.

Then again, I expect a red herring or seven from Blizz, so it's good to look out for these sorts of things.

Stay vigilant!

DANIEL3RD
02-07-2008, 12:06
Yeah, looks like regular fancy artwork. I think the excitement is going to everyone's heads.

Then again, I expect a red herring or seven from Blizz, so it's good to look out for these sorts of things.

Stay vigilant!

I just love all this speculation. Makes the anticipation all the greater :-)

mouseman
02-07-2008, 15:49
You also have those in your UI. One is next to mana bar and one is next to health bar.

SmittySixTen
02-07-2008, 19:15
It could very well represent three factions. Heaven, Hell, and Sanctuary.

Angel_of_Wrath
03-07-2008, 00:31
the angel on the right isnt tyrael, thats izual

What about Inarius?

Gamekk
03-07-2008, 01:44
@ the original post

I don't think so man.

First, they wouldn't show the three big bosses in a simple background decoration.

Second, the angel is there because the theme is like : "you fight Bruning Hell AND High Heaven", there are going to be crazy ars angels attacking you! Proof, the slogan : and heavens shall tremble (amIrite?)

Third, Tyrael on the bad side sounds just like cliche or plain crap. The Diablo I hero already got corrupted, who's next after Tyrael now, the only good remaining character, Deckhard Cain? Come on.:whistling:

Aranock
03-07-2008, 01:55
LOL the demon and angel are exactly the ones that appear on the interface in-game, you know directly under the health and mana orbs.

Yup, and i doubt they have any significance. I doubt the Blizzard team would just overlook that when posting that image up on their brand new Diablo 3 website

sectoid
04-07-2008, 03:56
Wow, my theory made it to front page! :)

I'm currently trying to finish my master's decree(only 1 month left, sigh), so I forced myself to let go of all Diablo III things, which was very difficult to do and yet more to enforce, as you can see. Thus, I've been unable to keep up the debates here at the site.

However, I still think that picture is unlikely to mean nothing. Blizzard keeps very close attention to all details and that is the first thing you see at a major page in their site. The things you said here do not make sense about the fact that there are 2 demons and 1 angel.

Maybe they're not making mischief and that picture in fact represents the leaders of the two most important factions at the beginning of the game(since I'm sure the big D will make his return somewhere in the middle): at hell's side Belial and Azmodan, at heaven's side Tyrael leading the angels trying to help mankind and Sanctuary.

I think these two theories are entirely possible with what was left for us by Blizzard, and the picture very probably hints at one of them.

Cronis
04-07-2008, 08:41
Seems to me to be more representative of demons, angels, and the nephalem.

moxon
04-07-2008, 16:45
For me there are two things I have seen and or read that lead me to believe that there may be merit to this. First was the statement about fighting demons and fallen illuminaries and second was the visual of the comet falling to Sanctuary in the spot where Diablo first appeared. Maybe it is just me, but could it be possible that the comet we see is actually Tyrael being cast out from Heaven for continually interferring in the affairs of men?

Considering that is has been 20 years since the big 3 were defeated and nobody has seen Tyrael since then, one has to wonder what has happened to him. Even though I have looked at the possibility of him being cast out above, what if instead he left because he became disillusioned? For all we know, he may have been tainted by the evil that was inevitably released when he destroyed the corrupt Worldstone. If so, then maybe it has taken 20 years before the evil inside him has taken over. Just as the Worldstone had become corrupted, why wouldn't it be possible for Tyrael to face the same fate?

As we have seen, the Big 3 were very manipulative engineering their own exile in a bid to gain power. What if we find out that the corruption of the Worldstone was just another manipulation? Maybe they knew that the only way to open the passageway between hell and sanctuary was the destruction of the Worldstone. By temporarily sacrificing themselves, they succeeded in setting events in motion which forced Tyrael to destroy the Worldstone.

If that is the case, the maybe there is another possibility; that Tyrael chose to leave of his own accord. Maybe he wasn't cast out and maybe he was able to avoid being corrupted. Instead, maybe he realized the mistake he made when he destroyed the Worldstone and has decided to sacrifice his place in heaven in order to rectify that mistake. If that is the case, then we might see him playing an even more vital role in Diablo 3.

Lastly why 20 years? I think that maybe that is how long it took before the Big 3 could regain their power. Some might believe that with the destruction of their soulstones they could no longer walk in Sanctuary. But I think that that only applied while the Worldstone was in place and so with it's destruction, they are free to roam Sanctuary again.

So as you can see, there are 3 distinct possibilities. In the first two, I believe it would be possible for Tyrael to side with evil this time, while with the third he would still be on the side of good. Regardless, I still believe that the comet is Tyrael coming to Sanctuary. Of course only time will tell and I am definately looking forward to when Diablo 3 comes out.

lionheart
05-07-2008, 10:00
I want the lesser evils left to come out, having to fight the same old guys that dont seem to ever die kinda makes it pointless for you to keep on killing them in each game...

OverUsedChewToy
05-07-2008, 13:04
Couldn't a middle one be a Nephalem (a proto-human hybrid of demon and angel). It doesn't look quite as demonic as the one to the left, and it seems to make more sense as the nephalem (humans) are sanctuaries inhabitants and are the "third faction" in a way.

Thirty-Thirty
05-07-2008, 18:45
@moxon: I agree that the meteor probably carries Tyrael, and that there are many potential reasons for his leaving, or being kicked out of, Heaven.

I don't really see from your post why it is that you think Tyrael is corrupted, though. You seem (to me) to be suggesting that it is more likely that he has become disillusioned, either by the realization that he'd been manipulated, or by some response he received from his fellow angels, archangels or whatever. (Actually, I agree with this: I think Tyrael has come down because he is in some way at odds with the rest of the Heavens.)

lionheart
06-07-2008, 00:26
Couldn't a middle one be a Nephalem (a proto-human hybrid of demon and angel). It doesn't look quite as demonic as the one to the left, and it seems to make more sense as the nephalem (humans) are sanctuaries inhabitants and are the "third faction" in a way.

The nephalem are like normal humans, the worldstone just made their powers go away, did not change their looks.

Omega Nemesis
18-12-2008, 01:01
Very possibly, these could be the three main bosses identified from left to right as: Asmodeus, Belial and Azazel.

Depending on your beliefs as far as demonology, then you may know Belial as the father of Lucifer, of Diablo himself. If this is the case for the Diablo world, then the game will be going farther into the true lore of demonology. It seems to me that the names for the past games have followed this path as well.

Bael or Baal, Diablo or Lucifer/Satan, and Mephisto or Mephistopholes.

Referring to the names that I have mentioned, Azazel is known for the story of Uza and Azazel, the leader of the rebellious angels. Belial being the father of Diablo, convinced him to lead the battle against God when Diablo was cast from the heavens. Asmodeus, would have the ability to evoke rage on the heavens for what happened to Diablo in D2, and break through the holy gates in Heaven.

Now if I am somehow correct in this, Asmodeus will be portrayed in game as the Demon of Wrath, or something along those lines. Through this we could see the destruction of Harrogath, the Worldstone, and many other things that have happened in the games. Belial would be the Demon of Lies and Guilt as characterized by demonology texts, as well as the father of Diablo and the orchestrator of the entire battle in the Diablo series, and Azazel is described as the personification of impurity; the corruption of heaven itself.

Not sure if anyone agrees with me, but it seems like the Diablo creators want to stick to semi-traditional texts as far as names go.

Let me know what you think. :scratchchin:

Lynchgrinch
24-12-2008, 18:01
Very possibly, these could be the three main bosses identified from left to right as: Asmodeus, Belial and Azazel.

Depending on your beliefs as far as demonology, then you may know Belial as the father of Lucifer, of Diablo himself. If this is the case for the Diablo world, then the game will be going farther into the true lore of demonology. It seems to me that the names for the past games have followed this path as well.

Bael or Baal, Diablo or Lucifer/Satan, and Mephisto or Mephistopholes.

Referring to the names that I have mentioned, Azazel is known for the story of Uza and Azazel, the leader of the rebellious angels. Belial being the father of Diablo, convinced him to lead the battle against God when Diablo was cast from the heavens. Asmodeus, would have the ability to evoke rage on the heavens for what happened to Diablo in D2, and break through the holy gates in Heaven.

Now if I am somehow correct in this, Asmodeus will be portrayed in game as the Demon of Wrath, or something along those lines. Through this we could see the destruction of Harrogath, the Worldstone, and many other things that have happened in the games. Belial would be the Demon of Lies and Guilt as characterized by demonology texts, as well as the father of Diablo and the orchestrator of the entire battle in the Diablo series, and Azazel is described as the personification of impurity; the corruption of heaven itself.

Not sure if anyone agrees with me, but it seems like the Diablo creators want to stick to semi-traditional texts as far as names go.

Let me know what you think. :scratchchin:

while this is all very interesting as demonology goes, i think you have the wrong end of the stick. as far as i know azazel does not exist in diablo lore (feel free to prove me wrong, though). And belial is not the father of diablo he is just a more powerfull than average demon and part of the lesser evils. it would be cool to see something about belial and azmo in D3, fingers crossed. if you are going to speculate about diablo you have to use only lore from diablo. yes blizzard have borrowed the demon names from actual demon lore but nothing else. thats why i think your wrong, your basing too much of your theory from elsewhere.

personaly i quite liked the theory about angels, demons and the nephalem. but i dont think the centre "thing" looks very human, more like a demon than anything. i think blizzard, as usual are hinting at things, its just that us lore fans don't know enough yet to make sense of them. So yeh hurry up blizzard and give us some more lore to pore over!

knightmawko
18-04-2009, 02:54
Although alot of people have been speculating about Tyrael's roll in the conflict in D3, I would say this looks to me like Diablo in the background(Or some greater evil) and then Tyrael and a lesser evil (possibly Belial or Azmodan) Or if it is a greater evil in the background then its Tyrael and Diabo

My opinion on this could be a few things, either
-Diablo watching the conflict of the angel and the demon
-Diablo serving as a marionette to the angel and demon
-The greater evil watching Diablo and Tyrael battle
-The greater evil manipulating Diablo and Tyrael.

Barefoot Soldier
19-04-2009, 14:26
We know or believe that the destruction of the Worldstone will have an impact on the power of the Nephalem. But what if Bael corrupted the stone so Tyrael would destroy it. Perhaps the worldstone also held their own considerable powers in check. There is no shortage of mythology where Demons seek power to become gods. Perhaps the worldstone was created to set the heavily powers above those of hell and with it's removal the world of sanctuary could have turned into a dualist universe. Bael might have been trying to reverse the purpose of the stone to place the powers of Hell above that of Heaven thus forcing Tyrael to destroy the stone in order to pick the lesser of two evils, equality of power with hell or submission to it.

There also lies the possibility that Belial or Azmodan could have orchestrated the overthrow of the Prime Evils to set this plan in motion prior to their arrival in sanctuary.

ancalagon
29-04-2009, 23:29
The nephalem are like normal humans, the worldstone just made their powers go away, did not change their looks.

In the Sin War Trilogy, you will find the Nephalem described as being 'either handsome, beautiful or grotesque'. Some were very tall and had horns too. Definitely changed their appearance

Chrissjg
28-10-2009, 00:12
Well after diablo 2 we havn't seen or heard anything from what happened to tyrael after he destroyed the worldstone and yeah it said there has been problems in heaven. I think that god or whatever is incharge in heaven is mad at tyrael for destroying the worldstone and tyrael is banished from heaven. inorder to get revenge he has to team up with the evils in the 3 statues tyrael doesnt look angelic or anything to do with it

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07-11-2009, 01:56
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