View Full Version : Is PK-ing a deal breaker?
With this: http://www.diabloii.net/n/669431/pking-played-down
in mind.
Do you consider the lack of PK options a reason for NOT buying the Diablo 3 game.
Some people were pretty adamant about this in the first thread this forum ever had so I thought a poll was in order to see how big a deal this was/is. Is this "decision" going to "hurt" blizzard?
jamesisbest
04-07-2008, 15:21
To some I'm sure having no pking is a minor drawback but not worth quitting a game over especially since pvp is still an intended feature of the game. Also, the fact that people won't be able to grief you as easily will satisfy the majority of gamers. Personally I think it's one of the less controversial innovations of d3.
It would be a lie if I said I wouldn't buy it, but I would most certainly get bored much quicker and quit without it.
and that would reduce server strain. until they release an xpac.
and another ;)
and another :propeller:
AxlStrife
06-07-2008, 01:39
If PK's nerfed to the point that it looks like Runescape post-Wildy, then I don't think I'd buy it. If there was a timer, I'm talking something only like 5-10 seconds assuming TP will be nerfed, then I think it would be perfectly acceptable.
maxusmag
06-07-2008, 06:08
I am waiting to see how they handle the other issues however i hope they do something about pk. it is a stupid system. being able to just go around and kill whomever you want while they are playing their game is rude and immature.
as the dev from turbine said ok good joke but stupid after a while.
as i posted in the other thread. you should have a tag that says you are in ffa mode. if someone else is in that mode then they can attack you if they wish to. if the tag is turned off you are not able to be attacked.
this will let the people that wish to grief each other grief each other and those of us who wish to play the game without dealing with the griefers.
it is annoying to lose time money and xp to someone when you had no choice in the matter.
Arkansaw
06-07-2008, 06:16
Allow pple to decide whether they can be pked or not. So that those who love PK can play among themselves
I don't PK myself, but without PK as an added risk I can't imagine D3 really holding my interest for long. They'll probably get my money for the new adventure of playing through with my friends but PvM gets so pathetically easy in D2 if it's anything similar in D3 the game will collect dust on the shelf way sooner than D2 with at least the possibility of being Pked
Allow pple to decide whether they can be pked or not. So that those who love PK can play among themselves
Than it's not really PK is it? It's PvP. If you're going to post on a subject you might just want to know the definitions of the concepts you're posting about.
lionheart
06-07-2008, 11:13
Yea but whats the point of being attacked for no reason when u want to just play the game and not kill somebody just out of spite. Its gonna take concentration enough not to get swarmed by the monsters around, let alone having some bastard come after u trying to kill u just for the heck of it
Arkansaw
06-07-2008, 12:28
Than it's not really PK is it? It's PvP. If you're going to post on a subject you might just want to know the definitions of the concepts you're posting about.
You might just want to know that happens to be PvP to you but PK to me. If your definition of PK is to have the possibility to jump into some public game and mess up other players against their wishes, without giving them any option apart from leaving it, I'm rejecting it.
Uncle_Mike
06-07-2008, 12:51
posts deleted so far: 1
I'd appreciate it if posts were on topic - personal attacks aren't really much of a contribution.
I meant this thread to be about the consequences of not having PK in the new game, not another thread about the PK-debate itself.
We already had 3 or 4 threads merged in to one about that subject.
maxusmag
07-07-2008, 02:20
there really are no consquences. only advantages.
the people that want to grief others will get tired of not being able to and leave. which will only make the community better.
people that like to enjoy the game and want to pvp each other have the choice without some hat showing up and ruining their gaming experience.
i thought it was stupid in d2 that 1 person could hostile you and that was it. you had no choice in the matter.
Arkansaw
07-07-2008, 02:39
PK as a game mechanic may have a place somewhere, but its implementation in D2 along with other features/hacks gave it a bad reputation for being particularly appealing to griefers. So now we have pple who argue for PK on their position that griefing is a wholly-justifiable playing style, these pple are not arguing for PK, they are really just arguing for griefing :S
mephiztophelez
07-07-2008, 02:57
i really don't want peeps to be able to hostile whenever/wherever they want.
sure, it might be "fun" to just hostile peeps who are all under your blizzard/hammerfield when on a group run, but its going to get really ordinary, REALLY fast.
i've no problems with peeps coming into a game, going hostile on me and trying to hunt me down. but i say NO to sneak attacks.
Anathema
07-07-2008, 04:05
I was never into the whole PK scene. Sure, I'd get bored every now and then and decide to go chase people around with my dueling necro. Course, that was pre-LoD when you could actually duel with necros.
So no, its not a deal break. lack of PvP is though.
Kind of a loaded question to be honest. If you are a legit player who enjoys the threat of PK deaths but does not "grief" as people keep saying, why would you boycott the game?
This forum is targeted toward people who are playing an 8(?) year old game in a 10(?) year old franchise. We are devoted to Diablo as a franchise. Thus, the only ones of us who would say that PK not being in the game would be a deal breaker are the actual PKs. Even a lot of legit PKers I know have said that if the game is PvM only they will play it at the start, but will more than likely grow bored and move on early.
I personally am viewing this as a way to show "see, people want a PK-less game" and I genuinely hope I am wrong about that.
To the people stirring up the PK debates again, please take it elsewhere or better yet leave the horse alone. You know who you are.
To the people stirring up the PK debates again, please take it elsewhere or better yet leave the horse alone. You know who you are.
Thats funny...I thought this was a D3 PK forum. Why WOULDNT people be debating it here. I participated in the debates for awhile, but stopped when I realized it was just going in circles, over and over and over. But if people want to, thinking they might change someone's mind, who are we to say they cant, as long as its a civil debate (which apparently some people have problems with).
maxusmag
07-07-2008, 06:37
Kind of a loaded question to be honest. If you are a legit player who enjoys the threat of PK deaths but does not "grief" as people keep saying, why would you boycott the game?
This forum is targeted toward people who are playing an 8(?) year old game in a 10(?) year old franchise. We are devoted to Diablo as a franchise. Thus, the only ones of us who would say that PK not being in the game would be a deal breaker are the actual PKs. Even a lot of legit PKers I know have said that if the game is PvM only they will play it at the start, but will more than likely grow bored and move on early.
I personally am viewing this as a way to show "see, people want a PK-less game" and I genuinely hope I am wrong about that.
To the people stirring up the PK debates again, please take it elsewhere or better yet leave the horse alone. You know who you are.
First off there is nothing legitimate about hostiling a person that doesn't want to be hostiled on. Forcing your style of play on someone else because you can is not legitimate at all.
really the solution would be to have a flag that you turn on or off that allows people to hostile you at will. if it is turned on then people can hostile you at any point in time. if it is turned off then they can't.
that would allow you to do your thing and leave the rest of us alone.
For me, lack of PK support would only be added incentive to buy the game. Maybe it would encourage me to play on the Realms for more than a month like I did with Diablo 2. Having to constantly leave games because some PKer joined and hostiled everyone in it got pretty old very quickly. Yah, maybe I was unlucky as far as the frequency with which it happened to me, but that's the way it went.
As for the role PK plays in whether or not people buy the game, several people have mentioned that the game would get old really fast without it or similar comments. That can be remedied without the addition of PK support, but instead with the addition of difficult, lategame PvM encounters. Areas and bosses that are outside the normal acts that challenge playerseven after they hit the level cap and get awesome gear. I would much rather see stuff like that than additional support for a PK system.
etslayer
07-07-2008, 07:22
First off there is nothing legitimate about hostiling a person that doesn't want to be hostiled on. Forcing your style of play on someone else because you can is not legitimate at all.
Actually its 100% legitimate as long as there are no hacks involved. It was an intended feature of the game, that's why it was never taken out of the game in 8 years of patchwork. And to say that PK "forces" your style of play on someone else is a completely false thing to say, because all PvP requires the initial hostile, which (as far as the game is concerned) is non-consentual. To hunt people down while they are trying to quest might be considered "forcing" a particular game style. But you have to draw a line between random noob-killing-for-fun and simply challenging someone to a duel.
really the solution would be to have a flag that you turn on or off that allows people to hostile you at will. if it is turned on then people can hostile you at any point in time. if it is turned off then they can't.
This option could only work if you were only allowed to turn the flag on and off when you are in town. Even then, I think it makes PvP a bit dull, but I wouldn't be bothered by this in softcore. However in HC, this would be a horrible system. I'm not going to get into that though... I have like a hundred posts on the other thread explaining why.
Uncle_Mike
07-07-2008, 07:50
Why WOULDNT people be debating it here. I participated in the debates for awhile, but stopped when I realized it was just going in circles, over and over and over.
That's exactly my impression :thumbup:
It also seems to me that the quality of those threads has been better in the last few days.
If someone is not interested in PK issues they can just ignore these threads (and I'm quite sure plenty of people do just that).
mephiztophelez
07-07-2008, 08:42
First off there is nothing legitimate about hostiling a person that doesn't want to be hostiled on. Forcing your style of play on someone else because you can is not legitimate at all.
so long as your not using any kind of hack, i don't see why PK'ing isn't "legit". and i'm one of the most legit d2 players around.
really the solution would be to have a flag that you turn on or off that allows people to hostile you at will. if it is turned on then people can hostile you at any point in time. if it is turned off then they can't.
errr, so, if you don't want PK, you're fine. if you DO want PK, you're leaving yourself open to d1-style "sneak attacks"?
no thanx.
hostiling should be done in town with a 10sec timer before using the waypoint system, just like d2. i rekon they should improve it a bit so that going hostile (or even returning to town) dispells all active attacks you have in the air etc (eg: fix d2 tppk)
that would allow you to do your thing and leave the rest of us alone.
just because someone hostiles you, doesn't mean they WILL kill you does it? especially if they have to hunt you down n what looks like a HUGE game world without the benefit of the maphax etc that make is so easy in d2.
i think a lot of the antipathy towards PK is because D2 is so infested with hacks and various other flaws. people in HC especially get screwed over by hacking PK's. with some luck, D3 will be much harder to hack than D2 and the anti-cheat systems will hopefully be updated regularly to keep the realms free of hax. with a smidgeon more luck, blizz will actually live up to their anti-hack rhetoric and ban hack-users so fast that hack developers give up (wishful thinking perhaps, but hey, i can dream can't i?)
i certainly don't want any kind of "tppk" or "sneak-attack" kind of pk systems in D3. but being able to go into a game and just randomly hostile people should always remain an option.
mostly because PvM gets pretty stale after a while. i kinda like peeps hostiling me on baal-runs etc. it can liven up an otherwise boring run.
Diablo II offers non-consentual player killing. Using that button is perfectly acceptable within the context of Diablo II. There is nothing inherently wrong with the pressing of said button. Whether you like it or not is a matter of personal taste, but as long as no-one is using hacks, pressing that button and killing people is 100% legit (legit being defined as hack-free), and is also 100% allowed. The ethics of a choice like that, regardless of whether or not it is hardcore, are also irrelevant. Diablo II, as a finished game, offers that option. What people are doing when they are complaining about hack-free player killers is comparable to complaining that someone fired a rocket at their pistol armed Quake-toon in a Deathmatch... no, it might not be "fair", but PvP is inherent in the current Diablo setting, and whether you like it or not does not matter, as you accept Diablo II as a game to its fullest when you enter Online Sanctuary.
No, I would not miss that option very much. I would like to be able to duel at any given level, but I would not miss the option. No PK is still a pre-oder for me :)
etslayer
07-07-2008, 19:47
yeah it seems people conveniantly overlook the fact that there is a 10 second timer on using wp's and tp's when you hostile someone. That and you can only hostile in town. This prevents sneek attacks, so anyone who get's PK'd either allows it to happen out of free will, or gets TPPK'd which an easily be removed from the game without removing PK. And it is true that hacks have put PK in a horrible light.
Arkansaw
08-07-2008, 07:31
yeah it seems people conveniantly overlook the fact that there is a 10 second timer on using wp's and tp's when you hostile someone. That and you can only hostile in town. This prevents sneek attacks, so anyone who get's PK'd either allows it to happen out of free will, or gets TPPK'd which an easily be removed from the game without removing PK. And it is true that hacks have put PK in a horrible light.
And the present D2 PK community would be a whole lot smaller without the hacks, pple just want uber ownage or anything to get one-up over others
They still suck though though, as hacks are for idiots. Plus, they lack skill, and most of the time loose straight fights.
No pk in d3? Even more reason for me to buy it.
My point exactly... most HC players will not miss the PK's.
I find it questionable that lack of un-consented pvp would be a deal breaker for anyone.
And part of me says if it is a deal breaker for them then I don't really want them playing in the same realm as me anyway.
Uncle_Mike
08-07-2008, 11:45
I find it questionable that lack of un-consented pvp would be a deal breaker for anyone.
This thread is a direct result of all pro PK posts claiming that the hc crowd wouldn't touch d3 with a five foot pole if PK was not implemented :whistling:
Which (that 5 foot pole) is a load of ********, as its only a vocal minority of the HC crowd, and we have a lot of leftover PK's here on dii.net, and less co-op players. The balance used to be very different, as it will be again in the future.
I agree with 5zigen... if it is a deal-breaker for you that you cannot PK, I question your sanity. And I think I have every right to do so ;)
Which (that 5 foot pole) is a load of ********, as its only a vocal minority of the HC crowd, and we have a lot of leftover PK's here on dii.net, and less co-op players. The balance used to be very different, as it will be again in the future.
I agree with 5zigen... if it is a deal-breaker for you that you cannot PK, I question your sanity. And I think I have every right to do so ;)
Well, there were a lot of people that the most important part of the D2 game was the PK-ing, and the chance to get PK-ed in every game you make. To them this is a major issue, and might make them leave this game on the shelves. This does not make them insane, nor do you have the right to call people insane that don't agree with the way you look at the game.
Be aware that I am in the "anti-PK"-camp (to say it very black/white) but I don't think I am the one with the only valid opinion, and neither should you.
I agree with the statement made in another thread that Diablo 2, (and therefore 3 as well) is primarily a PVE game, with a few options for PVP added in.(Think it was Uncle_Mike who said that). The primary focus of the new game should and (probably) will be PVE again. I do hope the PVP part will be looked at a little better for the next game so there will be more to play for in the end. PVP, however, does not mean that it is necessary to have the possibility of unconsentual PK'ing. The hostile-button can go the way of the spell books and the attribute elixers IMO.
I made this thread/poll wondering how it would affect the future playerbase of the game. Would many D2 players really quit with no PK? I want to understand exactly why (to my eyes) such a small (and to be honest: to me annoying) thing is seen as so important to so many people.
Hello Erwwwwd,
The reason why I deem myself the right to call people insane if they want player killing in the game and will not play it without it, is the stack of 1732 HC ears I have collected over the years. I am the proverbial player killer. I know exactly how this functions, and what it does to the people on either side. I have been a victim, I have PKK-ed, and I have hunted. I think Diablo III would be a better place if no player-killing existed. A friendlier place, even. Player versus player, yes please. Player killing, not neccisary. Whilst this may sound odd, if Player Killing is in, I shall most certainly hunt and kill, if only to give it a go. If Player Killing is not in, I shall not shed a single tear, and still play Diablo III, and duel. If Player Killing is all people want, they should go and play Unreal Tournament.
Kindest regards,
Barry
Baranor let me be the first to tell you 1732 ears you have don't give you any other rights any the rest of us. Just because you actually spent the time to count all the ears.
The fact that you know your ear count doesn't mean your arguments have any added weight. Some of us actually care if PK is implemented, you might not, but we do.
You seem to think that just because you PK your anti-pk argument had more weight. Well go do a cold shower and wake up because it doesn't, to be perfectly honest you don't even have an argument. All you're doing in your posts is bragging about your ear count.
You say we should go play UT? How about you go play WoW, that's a nice game where PK won't happen and you can grind in peace.
Kindest regards,
Uncle_Mike
08-07-2008, 16:05
The fact that you know your ear count doesn't mean your arguments have any added weight.
You seem to think that just because you PK your anti-pk argument had more weight.
Ok, pro pk arguments have weight, those against don't.
Now that we have settled it this thread can die too.
@cbr - don't open another pointless debate on the subject please.
Kindest regards,
Sorry Erwwwd but this thread was going to end the same as other PK threads. I decided to take a preemptive strike :)
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