Andariel and Duriel [Archive] - Diablo 3 & Diablo 2 Forums

Millionflame

06-07-2008, 07:20

I've been thinking about the possible plot for D3, and I have to wonder whether Andy and/or Duriel might show up again. While they were defeated in D2, I remember Cain explicitly saying that Andariel had been "banished back to the burning hells" after defeating her. As in, she's not dead, just back home. I can only assume the same happened to Duriel seeing as he's also a Lesser Evil.

So, unlike the "big three" whose soulstones were smashed, presumably getting rid of them for good, A and D are still up and about. And with the Worldstone smashed, it seems logical that they could return back from Hell. Not to mention Azmodan and Belial...perhaps there's a possibility of the Lesser Evils conspiring?

raveharu

06-07-2008, 11:56

I think smashing the soulstone doesn't kill the Prime evils, I believed they are banished back to Hell?

And the fate of Baal's soulstone is still unknown.

What we know is, since the Worldstone has been destroyed, there will be no more soulstones.

Tsumaru

06-07-2008, 12:18

Thirty-Thirty

06-07-2008, 12:31

I agree that Andy and Duriel aren't necessarily dead. I don't mind fighting them again if it's new gameplay, really. (The same goes for Meph and Baal.) And having the four Lesser Evils in cahoots would add another faction to what might be a many-sided war. I do think Duriel and Andy would be subserviant to Azmodan and Belial then, since the latter two'd be a bit peeved that the others went off to help the Prime Evils in D2.

Millionflame

07-07-2008, 04:02

In regards to Baal: I think it's a pretty safe assumption that his soulstone got the Hellforge treatment as well, given what happened to Mephisto's and Diablo's. It's just too important of a detail to just forget. I mean, can you seriously imagine Tyrael saying," Ah, well we already destroyed the other two and I tossed a sword at the Worldstone, so I think we'll be fine. Besides, I'm hungry."

As for the four Lesser Evils, there's nothing to say that we'll be fighting any of them. It certainly seems a good possibility given that neither Azmodan nor Belial have appeared in any of the games, but nothing is certain. Hell, there's nothing stopping Blizz from throwing a whole new character into the mythos.

Swiffer

07-07-2008, 06:53

What we know is, since the Worldstone has been destroyed, there will be no more soulstones.

The soulstones have nothing to do with the Worldstone. The Worldstone was a barrier that prevented the heavens and the hells from noticing the existence of Sanctuary (and thus, unable to freely travel there).

The soulstones were designed to be prisons for the spirits of the Prime Evils when they were 'banished' to the mortal realm in Diablo 1.

IdiotDK

07-07-2008, 11:04

The soulstones have nothing to do with the Worldstone. The Worldstone was a barrier that prevented the heavens and the hells from noticing the existence of Sanctuary (and thus, unable to freely travel there).

The soulstones were designed to be prisons for the spirits of the Prime Evils when they were 'banished' to the mortal realm in Diablo 1.

And im pretty sure that Tyrael tell us at some point that the soulstone are made from the worldstone.

Thirty-Thirty

07-07-2008, 11:38

And im pretty sure that Tyrael tell us at some point that the soulstone are made from the worldstone.Rings a bell, but I can't find any reference in the dialogues listed at the D2 Wiki (http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Main_Page). (You'll find all a character's dialogues under that character, e.g. Cain (http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Cain).)

Tsumaru

07-07-2008, 14:33

I think it was in one of the Sin War trilogy novels, actually. I haven't read them myself, but I think I heard someone say the same thing (about soulstones being from worldstone) and referenced the books for it.

lionheart

07-07-2008, 15:58

I kinda remember the same thing, even if i cant point to the specific source

sicilian

10-07-2008, 17:55

Wasn't Diablo already in Hell when you killed him in the first place? What did smashing any of their soulstones really achieve? I never really understood this stuff.

Also, I think Andariel and Duriel back in the game would probably suck and be a bit too repetitive.

I agree, I doubt we'll see Andariel and Duriel, as we didn't see any repeat bosses from Diablo 1 in Diablo 2 (save for, of course, Diablo himself).

If we do see them, I imagine them being sort of mini bosses for halfway through an act, or maybe as a tag team if we ever have to journey to Hell.

I want to see Azmodan and Belial, but their titles open them up to being more unique characters than just Act bosses for you to fight. Lord of Sin and Lord of Lies imply that they will be influencing things, but aren't really warriors.

mince pies

10-07-2008, 22:59

Wasn't Diablo already in Hell when you killed him in the first place? What did smashing any of their soulstones really achieve? I never really understood this stuff.

I personally don't think Diablo was in Hell when you kill him; I think that when you break the seals you summon him from Hell and kill him in the CS. Also, smashing the soulstones prevents the Prime evils from returning to the mortal realm.

lionheart

10-07-2008, 23:32

I personally don't think Diablo was in Hell when you kill him; I think that when you break the seals you summon him from Hell and kill him in the CS. Also, smashing the soulstones prevents the Prime evils from returning to the mortal realm.

No actually you are supposed to be in hell there, where the outpost of heaven stands that is where the gates of hell start

Apocalypse

11-07-2008, 00:59

Wasn't Diablo already in Hell when you killed him in the first place? What did smashing any of their soulstones really achieve? I never really understood this stuff.

Also, I think Andariel and Duriel back in the game would probably suck and be a bit too repetitive.

i thought it was said that the soulstones were actually created as a way for the evils to manipulate humans. like it was thier plan all along to have the soulstones created? if thats true, and i cant really remember anymore to be honest, but if that is true then wouldnt destroying the stones prevent the evils from useing humans as hosts? so breaking them actually would do something?

also i thought they left it unclear as to what exactly would happen if the worldstone was broken. hell would be free to enter our world was the general idea but it was not 100% certain?

again my memory is really fuzzy on the story, its been along time since i actually paid any attention to it

Denton the Nietzschen

11-07-2008, 04:39

That's weird. I thought for sure that all the Prime Evils were banished from the world after Diablo II. But then, it wouldn't be Diablo without Diablo, so to speak. If Blizzard wanted one or more of the Prime Evils to come back, they would find a way to do it.

Reddimus

11-07-2008, 07:09

Wasn't Diablo already in Hell when you killed him in the first place? What did smashing any of their soulstones really achieve? I never really understood this stuff.

Also, I think Andariel and Duriel back in the game would probably suck and be a bit too repetitive.

I think the Soulstones are capable of trapping the demons' souls within itself, but it doesn't protect the world from their influence leaking out. If you watch the cinematic epilogue, it shows Diablo's soul leaving his host's now-dead body and going back into the soulstone.

I read about the lore from D1 recently and Diablo was already trapped in his soulstone back then, but he was still capable of bending people to his will and eventually freeing himself. The player and Tyrael learn in D2 from Izual that the soulstones were a corrupt means of trapping the demon lords in the first place, thus why you smash them thereafter.

mince pies

19-07-2008, 00:26

Imagine how embarrassing it must be to be a Lesser evil being banished back to the Burning Hells by a mortal lmao :P

minicow

19-07-2008, 22:21

Since Duriel is a Scorpion-Wormful(eww)-Type demon, I guess that if he will play a role in Diablo III, he will be Undead, same like Andariel.

Grawner

20-07-2008, 02:01

i agree in andy and duriel being kind of "mini"-bosses.
i really dont mind, it wouldn't hurt if they weren't even mentioned in the game.

I WANNA SEE THE BUTCHER FROM DIABLO 1!!!!
(+belial and azmodan)

AlexanderM

22-07-2008, 02:24

There was a preview (game spot I think, have to hunt it down again) where it was noted, "Boyarsky dropped the tantalizing hint that there are seven lords of Hell in the Diablo universe... Assuming the player has killed three already in the previous game, could we meet the final four in Diablo III? Time will tell...". This indicates pretty heavily that we'll probably see names we're familiar with (even if they are obscure) instead of wholly new characters.

As for the soul stones, at the end of Act IV, in the post-diablo-slaying dialog with Tyreal that begins with "Praise be to the light" he mentions "the Worldstone, the ancient source of all the Soulstones and their power". So the soulstones were shards of the worldstone.

I'm looking forward to seeing Azmodan and Belial :D

Note: http://www.gamespot.com/news/blogs/preview-blog/909185203/26460025/blizzard-invitational-08-diablo-iii-lore-and-art-panel.html

Note: http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Tyrael#After_Completion:_Diablo_II_Expansion

GreatInRemembrance

23-07-2008, 05:11

Some of the new story will probably revolve around Azmodan and Belial's fight over dominance of Hell in the absence of the three Prime Evils.

Thirty-Thirty

24-07-2008, 15:36

And im pretty sure that Tyrael tell us at some point that the soulstone are made from the worldstone.I dug around a bit more, and yes, Tyrael does tell us this after defeating Diablo in LoD:
Now, Baal's army is searching for the Worldstone, the ancient source of all the Soulstones and their power, while leaving behind a wake of destruction. They have forged deeply into the Barbarian homelands, heading directly for the summit of Mount Arreat!

[/OT]

hostileeffect

30-07-2008, 22:52

Sometimes I think that Act 4 is only "territory of hell" not hell is self. If you look at how the outer steps and the city of the damned are built, it looks like it was, at some point, another world, and hell took it over and now its collapsing into the abyss / void.

The Pfortress is probably just an embassy of some sort... :/ I duno.

Jcakes

31-07-2008, 02:04

I always thought that baal merged his soulstone with the worldstone in order to corrupt it, so when Tyreal destroyed the worldstone Baals soulstone was destroyed.

Wirt

29-08-2008, 22:22

As for the soul stones, at the end of Act IV, in the post-diablo-slaying dialog with Tyreal that begins with "Praise be to the light" he mentions "the Worldstone, the ancient source of all the Soulstones and their power". So the soulstones were shards of the worldstone.

Notice what he says about Diablo and Mephisto too:

Praise be to the Light! You have accomplished the impossible! Diablo and Mephisto have been banished back into the Black Abyss that spawned them, and the corrupted Soulstones are no more.

So, Diablo and Mephisto have only been banished somewhere. I think it states they are not dead.

Wirt

Full_Circle

29-08-2008, 23:40

I want to see Azmodan and Belial, but their titles open them up to being more unique characters than just Act bosses for you to fight. Lord of Sin and Lord of Lies imply that they will be influencing things, but aren't really warriors.

But... we've already met Belial...

You actually think Tyrael is an angel?

:wink:

Grawner

30-08-2008, 11:21

But... we've already met Belial...

You actually think Tyrael is an angel?

:wink:

that was new :b
i sure hope, that isn't the case.. or.. do i? that would actually be kinda cool, and leave you with the feeling, that you've been totally backstabbed.

Full_Circle

30-08-2008, 17:57

that was new :b
i sure hope, that isn't the case.. or.. do i? that would actually be kinda cool, and leave you with the feeling, that you've been totally backstabbed.

BEHOLD! The Lord of Deceit in his full glory!

http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/media/artwork.xml#55

:coffee:

Grawner

30-08-2008, 21:02

maybe a noob question, but who is he?

Waffen

30-08-2008, 21:42

maybe a noob question, but who is he?

Belial is the Lord of Lies. He's mentioned along with Azmodan the Lord of Sin in Diablo 1.

Grawner

31-08-2008, 13:11

yeah, i knew that.. but the guy in the picture, is that Belial?

Thirty-Thirty

02-09-2008, 11:45

Who knows. I wouldn't mind knowing who he is though, but I guess that's what the game will be for.

sh25

09-10-2008, 02:14

Im hearing all this stuff about belial and azmodan but idk who they are. All I no is there from d1..can some plz explain to me who they are..sorry I was only 8 when I played d1 lol

Gamekk

09-10-2008, 04:30

Im hearing all this stuff about belial and azmodan but idk who they are. All I no is there from d1..can some plz explain to me who they are..sorry I was only 8 when I played d1 lol

They're not from DI they are the two lesser evils who remained in hell while the three brothers (prime evils) went into the santuary (world of men) which fought for the leadership of hell during their absences.

As for the topic... we could really see anyone do anything in DIII. Nobody knows exactly what soulstones do... what killing a demon do... Blizzard can practically do anything so we might see Andy and Dury :P

oodjob

12-10-2008, 00:43

Let us make everything clear.

I read this thread and believe that these are all the questions that have been asked or implied:

1.) What exactly happened to Andariel and Duriel when you killed them?
2.) What exactly happened to Mephisto, Diablo, and Baal when you killed them?
3.) By destroying the Soulstones did the hero permanently kill the Prime Evils?
4.) Are the Soulstones part of the Worldstone?

Speculated answers (by me and/or people who already replied):

1.) They were banished back to Hell.
2.) They were banished back to Hell. It is important to note that the River of Flame and the Chaos Sanctuary are not part of Hell. It was also mentioned whether or not Diablo is in Hell when you summon him by the seals. Personally, I do not think so. I was under the impession that the Prime Evils had been banished from Hell and therefore could not return unless killed and their Soulstones destroyed. Therefore when Hadriel says "Diablo's innermost sanctum" I believe he is refering to somewhere still within the mortal plane.
3.) Tyreal describes that by killing the Prime Evils and destroying their Soulstones the hero has "banished them" implying that they are not entirely removed.
4.) Yes

Now, as for my personal quesiton:

If the Prime Evils were banished by the Lesser Evils from Hell, why and how did Andariel and Duriel go the mortal plane and still work under the command of the Prime Evils? Did Azmodan and Belial banish Andariel and Duriel as well?

Thanks for any clarification.

MysteryNotes

12-10-2008, 05:29

SoulSpectrum

12-10-2008, 08:54

I have the 3 novels in the Sin War trilogy.
1.Birthright
2.Scales of the Serpent
3.The Veiled Prophet
It doesn't mention that the stones were made from the Worldstone.
But it said the mage clans banded together to seal the 3 prime evils(Diablo,Mephisto and Baal) in the soulstones.

As for the 7 Lords of Hell,
I know 3 of them are as above - Diablo , Mephisto and Baal.
But who are the other 4 ?
The lesser evils or ?
Oodjob, i think the Prime Evils were banished from hell before Diablo 2.

Tyrael is an Archangel who rebelled against heaven in order to teach the Horadrim how to seal the Prime Evils's souls into soulstones, thereby trapping them for eternity. He is captured by Baal after he fails to stop Diablo from releasing Baal and eventually freed by the adventurer. He comes back when the adventurer reaches the Pandemonium Fortress, the last bastion before Hell, to offer his protection.
Pandemonium Fortress is the last bastion before hell.

True true to Tyrael. The Lesser Evils are, Andarial, Duriel, and then the two we have never seen... the two who "apparently" over threw the Primes. They are Belial and Azmodan. Belial is the lord of lies and Azmodan is the lord of sins. I think I got those two's "lord ofs" mixed up, so don't quote me to be right! I also remembering somewhere that the prime Evils actually planned on getting captured so that they would remain intact with Sanctuary, not sure where I heard that from. I think it was somewhere in the game..... or could be from, but that was just something I heard. Oh and the soulstones was actually long after the siun war triliogy. a very long time after.

oodjob

13-10-2008, 18:17

I have the 3 novels in the Sin War trilogy.
1.Birthright
2.Scales of the Serpent
3.The Veiled Prophet
It doesn't mention that the stones were made from the Worldstone.
But it said the mage clans banded together to seal the 3 prime evils(Diablo,Mephisto and Baal) in the soulstones.

As for the 7 Lords of Hell,
I know 3 of them are as above - Diablo , Mephisto and Baal.
But who are the other 4 ?
The lesser evils or ?
Oodjob, i think the Prime Evils were banished from hell before Diablo 2.

Tyrael is an Archangel who rebelled against heaven in order to teach the Horadrim how to seal the Prime Evils's souls into soulstones, thereby trapping them for eternity. He is captured by Baal after he fails to stop Diablo from releasing Baal and eventually freed by the adventurer. He comes back when the adventurer reaches the Pandemonium Fortress, the last bastion before Hell, to offer his protection.
Pandemonium Fortress is the last bastion before hell.

Tyreal says the Soulstones are made from the Worldstone in the game. You can see it quoted earlier in this thread. Yes, the Prime Evils were banished from Hell by the Lesser Evils. Once on the mortal plane, they were sealed witihin Soulstones by the Mage Clans. Therefore, considering they were BANISHED from Hell, it does not make sense to me that the River of Flame and the Chaos Sanctuary are actually part of Hell. I believe when they say the Pandemonium Fortress is the last bastion before Hell, this simply means they are closer to Hell but do not necessarily go into it. This still does not answer my first question:

1.) If the Lesser Evils banished the Prime Evils from Hell, how and why did Andariel and Duriel get to the mortal plane? Also, doesnt this mean that now the Prime Evils are back in Hell that there will be conflict between them and Azmodan and Belial?

Speaking of Tyreal, I also wonder what role Hadriel plays and how he came to the mortal plane as well. Will he show up in D3?

SoulSpectrum

13-10-2008, 20:34

"Tyrael was a fool to have trusted me!

You see, it was I who told Diablo and his Brothers about the Soulstones and how to corrupt them. It was I who helped the Prime Evils mastermind their own exile to your world.

The plan we set in motion so long ago cannot be stopped by any mortal agency. Hell, itself, is poised to spill forth into your world like a tidal wave of blood and nightmares.

You and all your kind . . . are doomed."

We've all heard this a dozen times before... or atleast the first few words. The prime evils actually wanted to get banished into Sanctuary, that was the plan. Andarial and Duriel are both lesser evils that probably didn't take nearly as much to summon from Hell compared to the stronger guys like any of the Primes. They're the generals of Hell's army, and D2 was a plan to invade Sanctuary to destroy the WorldStone. I do believe that there will be conflict between the other 2 lesser evils, but the Primes already have that planned and are far more powerful. Maybe the other two helped plan the imprisonment of the Primes. Who knows? Not much light has been revealed on the subject....
Oh, and Hadriel is a gaurd of The Chaos Sanctuary. It's just his job to staind around be utterly useless. I don't think we'll see him around. Here's some little nifty info on him though. In the pre-LOD days there were plans to have angels as mercs. Hadriel was the basic outline of them, however with the release of the Barbarians in Act5, they decided not with the subject of Tyrael being more important. The Angel mercs abilities were going to be some ice and lightning attacks... now that would of been cool. zipping around with an angel at your back spamming chain lightning at higher levels or using a sword imbuned with a static charge or something.....

AcidReign

15-10-2008, 04:43

Duriel will most likely return. They have artwork for the "Mistress of Pain" - which I'm assuming is one of Duriel's minions, based on her insect-like body.

Jack Carael

29-10-2008, 10:40

To OP: I'm pretty sure it was Drognan who said that, but that's nitpicking.

Ah, well we already destroyed the other two and I tossed a sword at the Worldstone, so I think we'll be fine. Besides, I'm hungry."
Brilliant =)

I want to see Azmodan and Belial, but their titles open them up to being more unique characters than just Act bosses for you to fight. Lord of Sin and Lord of Lies imply that they will be influencing things, but aren't really warriors.

Very much agreed. Well said.
Blizzard actually had a background story for Uber Tristram, which involved Duriel. This means he's already made his comeback, in my opinion. I don't see Andariel returning either, she's just too insignificant.

Tyrael: "The Pandemonium Fortress is the last bastion of Heaven's power before the Gates of the Burning Hells."
This does not in any way mean that 'The Gates of the Burning Hells' are outside the Pandemonium Fortress - he says it's the last bastion of Heaven's power, nothing less, nothing more. This only means that Heaven has no bastions of power beyond the Pandemonium Fortress, this does not mean that Hell starts beyond that point!. Following this logic, the Chaos Sanctuary could be in either Hell or Sanctuary, in my opinion. Sanctuary seems most logical.

That's weird. I thought for sure that all the Prime Evils were banished from the world after Diablo II. But then, it wouldn't be Diablo without Diablo, so to speak. If Blizzard wanted one or more of the Prime Evils to come back, they would find a way to do it.

Diablo returns 3 (!) times after he corrupts the hero from Diablo I. Blizzard can make him return as many times as they want.

I always thought that baal merged his soulstone with the worldstone in order to corrupt it, so when Tyreal destroyed the worldstone Baals soulstone was destroyed.

One thing doesn't make sense for me.. If Baal's plan was to unleash Hell's armies upon the world of Sanctuary, why would he want to corrupt the Worldstone rather than to just destroy it? I might be missing something here, but doesn't Tyrael's destruction of the Worldstone mean Baal wins all the same?

3.) Tyreal describes that by killing the Prime Evils and destroying their Soulstones the hero has "banished them" implying that they are not entirely removed.

Agreed. Like I said before, the Prime Evils have already been re-summoned, backed up with a storyline. If Blizzard wanted us to think of Ubertrist as purely a gimmick, they wouldn't build so much lore into the quest, I think.

My guess is that Belial and Azmodan will make some sort of appearance, either in NPC dialogue, or like the Dark Wanderer in Act 3 of Diablo 2, or an act boss, or a combination of any of those.

That_Other_Guy

01-11-2008, 19:55

The bit about Izual being the one to trick Tyrael into using corrupted/corruptable soulstones makes me think that instead of actually fighting Belial, we might have to fight a revived Izual (reequipped with Azurewrath..?!) and when he's defeated, Belial escapes. I also wouldn't be surprised to find that he (or an agent of his) is actually some character we already know (like Pepin...why did he have a gateway to hell right behind his house? Coincidence? Yeah...) or merely disguising themselves as a character they've imprisoned, such as Deckard Cain, Leah, or maybe even Tyrael.

SoulSpectrum

01-11-2008, 23:18

Claymenza

06-11-2008, 18:06

If there are gonna be five acts in this one (i'm sure they don't want there to be four given how much everyone played lod)...or it would seem a step backwards.

Belial and azmodan were two lesser evils never shown/explained. They would replace andariel and duriel well who i thought were weak *** bosses. Diablo will be the boss of act 5. The remaining two bosses will be tricky....this is where the need to be creative.

I just think it's kinda lame for the barbarian to come back in number 3, and he'll be like "hey not you guys again...you don't even have a soulstone!"

Paalt

06-11-2008, 19:02

The way I see it, the soulstones was a tool for the primes so they could come to sanctuary and **** up the world stone. The soulstones was their ticket into sanctuary, now that the soulstones is destroyed they cannot enter anymore.
Oh, right, they corrupted the worldstone so that Tyrael had to destroy it. That means mission accomplished for the primes. Now, they can enter sanctuary without soulstones. They can come and go as they please.

The banishment of the primes by the lesser, the destruction of the stones, it was all a scheme by the primes: They get a ticket into sanctuary, destroy the worldstone, and the best part is, they get a free ticket home when we smash up their soulstones. The rebel lessers wil likely be settled with pretty fast.(Primes vs lessers = right) Then they prepare the hell army, and after 20 years they have assembled it, and are ready to invade. This is where D3 starts.

I'm also speculating that the invasion is a diversion of some sort to make heaven defenseless. And I wonder what part Tyrael play in all of this. My stomach tells me he is a demon.