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I dont get the whole hardcore thing. Why would anyone want a mode where you risk great disappointment and emotional devastation.
Can anyone prove me wrong pls?
Please go be a failed troll somewhere else. gb24chan
I have no idea what you mean by troll. All Im asking is for someone to explain why hardcore is good. Tried it once on D2 but I died pretty fast and found it a pretty useless game mode, but since everyone here seem to like it so much I just wondered what all the fuss was about. If you dont have anything intelligent to add please dont post in this thread fitthuve.
People play hardcore because surviving theer requires skill because, as you clearly pointed out, if you don't have it you'll die. Just because you found it useless because you couldn't keep your character alive does not mean it's useless.
A blind monkey can finish the game on softcore.
Just because you found it useless because you couldn't keep your character alive does not mean it's useless.
Have I said that it is useless?? Note that I said I FOUND IT USELESS, that means its my personal opinion which I also requested hardcore supportersto change. Stop being an idiot and start posting constructive arguments.
Have I said that it is useless?? Note that I said I FOUND IT USELESS, that means its my personal opinion which I also requested hardcore supportersto change. Stop being an idiot and start posting constructive arguments.
Just as soon as you stop trolling so will I. Why should anyone have to explain themselves to you on why they play hardcore? You find it useless? That's your problem, this thread has no topic.
I am simply asking for a voluntary explanation. If someone wants to enlighten me as to why they like hardcore and maybe win me over then let them! whereas you can stay away since you, as Ive already pointed out, have nothing intelligent to add.
Win you over? For what? You'll just quit the next time your character dies, and it will.
Youre impervious to reason and therefore pointless to speak with end of story :p
Youre impervious to reason and therefore pointless to speak with end of story :p
Considering you had not reasoning to begin with, it's quite a streach to say I'm impervious to it. Try arguing a point logically and I'll debate it. Your first post in this thread smells of troll so me going into an indepth post on why I played HC would be pointless.
Sein Schatten
23-07-2008, 15:17
If it is a troll, report him. Otherwise don't engage in flamewars or start trolling yourself.
Some people like the thrill to loose everything they achieved up to now by just one small mistake. Imagine you are lvl 70 and got some great items but you make a few small errors and loose everything. That is what people like. It is also, of course, for some people a method to show off. Having a lvl 80 HC char is more elite as a lvl 80 SC char.
I do HC for a different reason.
1. Its a buzz
2. It requires skill
3. SC is just tooooo easy ;)
Wheres the challenge ;)?
Kev
entranced
23-07-2008, 15:34
-Adrenaline rush and/or fast heartrate at dangerous moments.
-Risk of permadeath makes everything you achieve/acquire in the game sweeter.
Whoa dejavu...
Wow, sane people have replied!
OK I guess I can sympathize with those reasons, I just thought there was other ones I had no idea of. Personally I would calculate every step I took and thats not the way I want to play so I guess its not for me, but thanks for the help.
Morannon
23-07-2008, 16:37
...It is also, of course, for some people a method to show off. Having a lvl 80 HC char is more elite as a lvl 80 SC char.
Which is why I never understood why some HC players use hacks. This respect or awe that comes with being a HC player is totally nullified if one uses a hack to lessen the hardships of the game. Atleast in my eyes.
Which is why I never understood why some HC players use hacks. This respect or awe that comes with being a HC player is totally nullified if one uses a hack to lessen the hardships of the game. Atleast in my eyes.
Because not everybody played for those goals. Many played because they could PK and it would be permadeath or PvP and the other guy would really die. There are many points of view, taking such a simplistic view of hardcore players is naive.
Besides having a level 80 character on hardcore is no big deal, having one without tweaking or rushing is, but most people how other endgoals than just killing Hell Baal, so they skip it since they did it already.
TopHatCat64
23-07-2008, 16:47
Wow, sane people have replied!
OK I guess I can sympathize with those reasons, I just thought there was other ones I had no idea of. Personally I would calculate every step I took and thats not the way I want to play so I guess its not for me, but thanks for the help.
Yep, hardcore definitely requires 100% concentration. I don't play HC myself, but I imagine it does make things more exciting/tense knowing that your characters life might be over at any second.
In the end though, I think HC definitely teaches you the "right" way to play in the sense that you have to use everything to your advantage (terrain/bottlenecks, positioning your char/merc, using every skill at your disposal, retreating) to give yourself the best chance at survival. In SC, however, you can get sloppy and let your character get surrounded or risk advancing after your merc gets squished in one hit.
BoD Trader
23-07-2008, 19:03
disappointment and emotional devastation.
dude it's a game..... U pick urself up you move on. Death is half the fun of HC. It makes there a point to play for i.e not dieing. Gives people a realistic goal not the totally unreasonable and almost unatainable lvl 99 target.
Hardcore forces you to think about the game and your character as you play through. Whenever I played softcore I would usually say, fight diablo with barely 25 positive resistance and basically not care if I died 23 times trying to kill him. I find loot has better value in hardcore too, besides the fact you lose it and start from fresh if you die (so long as you dont dual account loot share or something silly), survival being paramount makes you value different stats alot more.
I just find the ability to actually die engages me with the game much more. To each his own though.
Gigashadow
23-07-2008, 19:47
I like Hardcore because it is more realistic, and it punishes me for not paying attention to the game. It also makes me more careful, and I receive a thrill if I survive when I think I am done for.
People play hardcore because surviving theer requires skill because, as you clearly pointed out, if you don't have it you'll die. Just because you found it useless because you couldn't keep your character alive does not mean it's useless.
A blind monkey can finish the game on softcore.
It's a perfectly legitimate question he's asking. If you want to join in the discussion then please keep it civil.
Have you ever seen a blind monkey play Diablo 2? Well, I'm telling you they can't finish it in softcore. Absolutely useless, skill points all over the shop.
BoD Trader
23-07-2008, 21:27
Have you ever seen a blind monkey play Diablo 2? Well, I'm telling you they can't finish it in softcore. Absolutely useless, skill points all over the shop.
Not to mention the bananas that get lodged in the keyboard :nod:
entranced
23-07-2008, 21:54
Which is why I never understood why some HC players use hacks. This respect or awe that comes with being a HC player is totally nullified if one uses a hack to lessen the hardships of the game. Atleast in my eyes.
I've always wondered about this myself, in other games as well. Some ppl that strive for recognition/status have no qualms about reaching the top levels in any way possible, cheating is just a means to an end.
Another thing is that when games get overrun by hacks/dupes/botting, the only way one can compete on the same level with the top players is to also cheat. I hate that but it seems to be an unavoidable side-effect of technology+humanity.
The top ramen
23-07-2008, 22:20
Sometimes you just have to hack to keep up with the others. S+E hacks, while normally shameful, start to sound pretty appealing when you've lost 17 characters to tppkers... not like this has happened to me just hypothical of course :whistling:
Sein Schatten
23-07-2008, 23:01
Not to mention the bananas that get lodged in the keyboard :nod:
lol.
I would imagine it would look more like "ze german UT kid". lol-
dude it's a game..... U pick urself up you move on. Death is half the fun of HC. It makes there a point to play for i.e not dieing. Gives people a realistic goal not the totally unreasonable and almost unatainable lvl 99 target.
Dude, it was a hyperbole.
It's a perfectly legitimate question he's asking. If you want to join in the discussion then please keep it civil.
Have you ever seen a blind monkey play Diablo 2? Well, I'm telling you they can't finish it in softcore. Absolutely useless, skill points all over the shop.
Thanks for sticking up for me. Other moderators only seem to want to stick it to me :P just kidding:whistling:
I dont get the whole hardcore thing. Why would anyone want a mode where you risk great disappointment and emotional devastation.
Can anyone prove me wrong pls?
The best part about HC is that there's no people like you. No offense, but I can't stand playing with people like you.
There's other perks, more challenge, more feeling of accomplishment. There's really no accomplishment in SC as you cant fail. And with the whining for respecs, there will REALLY be no way to fail in SC because any mistakes you make will just be instantly fixable.
And with the whining for respecs, there will REALLY be no way to fail in SC because any mistakes you make will just be instantly fixable.
Whats that?
Ive changed my mind. HC seem great and I will definetly try it in D3. Purpose of the thread achieved:alright:
Gigashadow
25-07-2008, 17:36
The best part about HC is that there's no people like you. No offense, but I can't stand playing with people like you.The worst part of HC is people like you thinking they are better than SC players.
The worst part of HC is people like you thinking they are better than SC players.
Overall players on HC are better than SC sinply because if you make a mistake on HC you're dead. You might not like it, but it's logic nothing more.
Elyxthaxzus
26-07-2008, 01:27
Overall players on HC are better than SC sinply because if you make a mistake on HC you're dead. You might not like it, but it's logic nothing more.
global statements like that wont work, and its nto 'just logic'. If they didn't bot or hack...yeah. If they didn't have their buds rush them to 80 and feed them gear...perhaps. But no guarantees dude. I've seen slackers and newbs gushing about the uber hammerdin gear their bud was giving them after they rushed them to 85 in hardcore, and on the flip side I've seen quite a few very skilled duelers in softcore. primarily because their practice drills aren't 1 shot - sure if you make a mistake in hardcore ur dead, but that doesn't mean you learn from your mistake. especially if your hand fed ur gear and levels. you still have to make the choice your going to not whine about it and learn. that happens in softcore and hardcore.
Softcore allows you unlimited practice time. Of course, no matter where you go your going to have skilled players and unskilled players. But i do agree that it takes a different skillset, and alot more focus. I see softcore as an easy practice ground for hardcore, i prefer to get used to a toon in softcore first.
I recently came back after long hiatus, and started my windy back up in softcore first...breezed thru the lvls until about act2 hell, and my first death against the serpents in valley of snakes. after my initial heart jump, i remembered, 'whew, im in softcore', and then thought about all the awareness skills i had forgotten.
I think that's what allot of its about, there's a permanency about your mistakes that is immediate and impacting. it makes even a slow walk from nightmare act 1 to hell act 5 enjoyable. You start to see aspects of teh game that are minro annoyances to softcore players, such as lag, as challenging hurdles to overcome with timing and reactions.
i agree that around mid nightmare in softcore i start to get bored...it picks up again in hell but hardcore is totally different world. However, this does not immediately imply that you have more skill, but i think it makes alot of peeps feel that way. its not a guarantee of skill, but predictions are higher.
NOTE: for those who work the hard path soloing most of hardcore i congratulate you, that does take skill. im not saying it doesn't, Ive done it many times..im just saying its not a guarantee of skill when you see a hammerdin spamming blessed hammers in baal runs in hell. It just means he hasn't died yet :D
The value of HC for me was learning the little things about the game: cheap but effective runewords, useful mods on rares and magic items, positioning the merc to act as a meat shield, the art of divide and conquer, cube recipes, game mechanics, etc. These things aren't so important in SC (well not to me anyway as death meant a trip back to town) And the thrill of permadeath makes the game so much more enjoyable. I play mainly HC now (Single Player, not Cattle.net) with the odd SC session now and again when I lose a HC char and need to vent. :D
HC has a far better community. Or would, if tppk was dealth with. hccl is where it's at as I recall.
No-one like losing chars, but that's the price you have to pay for playing with the advantages inextricably bound with that risk of losing chars, which a lot of people do like. If you know what you're doing It's a worthwhile risk.
Elyxthaxzus
26-07-2008, 02:21
HC has a far better community. Or would, if tppk was dealth with. hccl is where it's at as I recall.
No-one like losing chars, but that's the price you have to pay for playing with the advantages inextricably bound with that risk of losing chars, which a lot of people do like. If you know what you're doing It's a worthwhile risk.
Ya i agree. dealt with more frustration, but met more friends inn hardcore. You meet peeps that stick with ya and help ya out and it sticks. there pretty much an us(normal players)vs them (pkp'ers)mentality, with the extreme tppk'ers being the bottom of the cesspool for both sides :) this fosters alot of comradeship you don't see on softcore side.
speaking of which, starting my first toon for this ladder in hardcore tonight, look forward to seein y'all online :D
hostileeffect
26-07-2008, 04:50
When people die, sometimes their totally amazing gear is no more, that means there is less totally amazing gear in the game and the stuff on your mules continuously has value.
Its also a challenge, I don't want to settle for half *** crap, so I play on classic ladder east, just reinstalled a few days ago and I'm now XeroYager, sorc, lvl 81, on hardcore classic ladder US east.
Hardcore is also just fun... you have great risks and great rewards, your friends are friends and you might be able to kill your enemies! Its a small world and you meet people, you are either nice and have a reputation as being nice or you are a douche kid and you aren't very liked.
Whats that?
Ive changed my mind. HC seem great and I will definetly try it in D3. Purpose of the thread achieved:alright:
Enjoy your stay. But I hope you chose reason number 2 I proposed as opposed to reason number 1. Because if you're not doing it for the feeling of accomplishment, you will take it pretty hard the first time you lose a high level character.
The worst part of HC is people like you thinking they are better than SC players.
But I am better than SC players, at least at Diablo. In general and in specific. In fact I would say I'm 'better' than most HC players, in general and in specific.
If you think my arrogance is worse than any of the other problems with HC, TPPK, Drophacks et al, then I question whether you REALLY have played HC long term. I don't go around harassing SC players telling them how much better than them I am, I only do it when people either a) ask why I think HC is better, or b) try to argue that HC is no "harder" than SC.
But feel free to have a problem with my arrogance and I'll feel free to be a better diablo 2 player than the body of sc players.
Elyxthaxzus
26-07-2008, 21:15
good points zigen, however i would like to clarify one idea...
SC isnt easier the HC, it CAN be easier then HC, and it doesn't require you to build the survival skills you need in HC. and many peeps in SC get lazy because of this. i make it a personal point in pride to not die in SC, and i definitely dont like dying in HC.
the biggest difference other then that is the PK, which has far more of a following in HC. But i do want to stress that we remember that HC isn't a guarantee of ability, but far less cushion for mistakes then SC. We go after the thrill, and that is part of the attraction to HC. in HC, if you are to play the game normally you HAVE to get better skill wise, in SC you dont HAVE to, but you can...its a personal choice, not a requirement.
thus i think people go to HC less because it gives them more skill (which it cant, its a game) and more because it FORCES them to learn skill. Not a guarantee in my book
The worst part of HC is people like you thinking they are better than SC players.
Hey that's me right there. Awesome. I love the self satisfied feeling I get when I see my cousin playing SC and everyone in the game dies in Normal Baals. I love watching Normal Diablo quest games, when you'll see a Necromancer die seven or eight times before completing the quest, because it's a pain to get to level 24 for Summon Resist/Decrepify.
Tried it once on D2 but I died pretty fast and found it a pretty useless game mode Maybe you found yourself pretty useless for the game mode since you died pretty fast?
I started hardcore after having about 4 softcore characters around 80 level before LOD time. I made first character to 60 which I then dueled and died.. nothing big there I wanted to make a new barb anyways. The new one went up to 78 and first time I died in hardcore was when 1.07 came with the buggy patch that made enemies ****loads stronger in classic too. Next death was in LOD when nihlathak in NM wasted me and my friend with the CE that we didn't yet know about :) Next one was timeout death but no biggie since I didn't have any good gear yet.
Anyways I think I've killed more of my characters on purpouse(after ladder resets etc) than actually dying on the monsters. The game is easy, but yeah in hardcore sometimes your heart starts pumping when you get a close call, thats when your reflexes and wisdom to retreat comes in.
Recently made a character to softcore in order to test a wicked build that wouldn't be wise in HC.. was just stunned how much people die there.. just about every game there are multiple deaths all over. Just fun to watch and laugh :) funny enough they still call people noobs there all the time even when they themselves die to fallens and such.)
edit. Oh yea another good thing about HC is the smaller community with more mature players and the fact that items disappear when people die.
NOTE: for those who work the hard path soloing most of hardcore i congratulate you, that does take skill. im not saying it doesn't, Ive done it many times..im just saying its not a guarantee of skill when you see a hammerdin spamming blessed hammers in baal runs in hell. It just means he hasn't died yet Thank you, I'm mostly doing that.. sometimes with a friend or 2 if they happen to be around the same area. I think act2 is the most dangerous place there is when questing in hell. 1st thing are those scarabs, with fire cold ench they can beat melee class with 2k+ damage even with high resists.. other one are those vipers. One barb found himself almost dead when Fangskin was extrafast and manaburn.. that knockback and 0 mana made it almost impossible to get out of there.
edit2 or was it 3.
Anyways to add Hardcore characters look better in chat :) Also the ladder is more interesting, with less people participating and the chance to die will drop your character from the race.
Starving_Poet
05-08-2008, 22:33
Want to know why?
See this avatar <------
Level 89 venomancer, died to Hell Ancients in one hit. I will NEVER forget playing him. Name a SC character that affects you that deeply.
/edit: hrm, let me load an avatar. And hi folks, been a while :-p
emotional devastation? hahahh.. Seriously, the moment you die, it's a relief, you're free from Diablo's clutch..
it's more fun risking it all, plus its easier to kick the habit.. you die you're gone.. the end.. til next time!
Didn't read all the pages inbetween, but I play HC because everything i achieve is worth more than in SC mode (at least I think so :P). There are less item-farming bots.
The huge problem are the pkers in HC that in my opinion destroyed a big part in the online game experience... last time i played a HC char, it was nearly impossible to find a game to join for some simple cooperative questing. :/
There are a lot of reasons, like deaths help to purge out some of the top items, and I noticed a lot fewer hacks/cheats in HC. Also, PKs (people who hunt other players) are a great challenge to survive. It's a lot more challenging than the AI inside the game.
However the main reason is: No risk = no reward.
To me SC is not fun.
ThulRasha
10-08-2008, 19:06
It's the risk involved what makes it special.
For me it's the only fun way to play. No pain, no gain.
Funkopotamus
10-08-2008, 20:41
That risk is awesome. It makes getting out of jams more exciting.
As a side benefit, it made me hyper aware of pks. I went on to play Everquest for a while after a long stint on HC and even with a graphic glitch that didn't let me see spell effects I could tell when someone was going to pk me. I was like frickin' Spider-man. And it made those few times I got away most excellent.
Luckymofo
11-08-2008, 02:26
no matter how skilled and/or twinked a character is, lag will always win. That's why I don't play hc anymore
I have lost 1 char to lag out of 30+ characters. Quite a small loss. Timed out with a 2h barb in Tower with curse blood clans around. That was in 1.08 tho, nowadays if you timeout you get kicked out of the game very fast.
Eventually when you play a lot you get to know the lag. You save&exit quick when you feel any kind of lagging. Running forward in area and no monsters around, what can it be? Lag of course, better to leave game and join again.
CaptainDingo
14-08-2008, 03:50
The only problem I have is people who believe their experience is worth more just because death is permanent. I'd much rather Hardcore and non-Hardcore players would respect each other rather than bicker about who's better, it accomplishes nothing. I mean, you can argue your attachment to the character is more extreme because you risk his/her permanent death, but I could just as easily say I'm more attached because I refuse to let them die permanently. It's all just opinion, none of it is a fact that we can debate.
I've already said it before, but if I get to level 50 on non-Hardcore and someone else gets to level 50 on Hardcore, and neither of us have died yet (not unheard of, despite what Hardcore players think, I am very calculating to ensure I don't ever die, I never throw myself at hordes of enemies just because I can come back, it's the principle of the thing), neither of us is, at that point, better than the other. If two people are running fast as hell, except one of them is running because he's dodging bullets, the guy dodging bullets isn't "better" at running just because he's at risk of getting shot. :P
However, soon as the guy who isn't getting shot at goes and trips and falls like an idiot, then fine, say whatever you want.
As the Hardcore players have said they do it for the rush they get. Those of us who play non-Hardcore get no rush, it's why we don't bother. We're not excited by the permanence of death, we're annoyed by it and it'd elicit no emotion from us but a long string of four-letter words.
So, whatever, play Hardcore if you want, just remain civil to those who don't, and vice-versa, etc.
The only problem I have is people who believe their experience is worth more just because death is permanent. I'd much rather Hardcore and non-Hardcore players would respect each other rather than bicker about who's better, it accomplishes nothing. I mean, you can argue your attachment to the character is more extreme because you risk his/her permanent death, but I could just as easily say I'm more attached because I refuse to let them die permanently. It's all just opinion, none of it is a fact that we can debate.
Yeah I agree. I very rarely hang out in my starting channel FIN-1 since some damn retards spam 24/7 "YOU SOFTCORE NOOBS". When I started HC in 2001 january/february there was somewhat same kind of thing happening, not so much or so extreme though but some. Some time went on and the bullies grew up a bit and ended it. Seems like now there is a new generation of these "hc elite" players that like to spam the channels to bully the SC players.
Starving_Poet
15-08-2008, 22:11
Yeah I agree. I very rarely hang out in my starting channel FIN-1 since some damn retards spam 24/7 "YOU SOFTCORE NOOBS". When I started HC in 2001 january/february there was somewhat same kind of thing happening, not so much or so extreme though but some. Some time went on and the bullies grew up a bit and ended it. Seems like now there is a new generation of these "hc elite" players that like to spam the channels to bully the SC players.
That's the exact reason I don't even play on B-Net :yes:
Archon_Wing
19-08-2008, 08:37
Because one day I'll stop playing this game, and everything will vanish anyways. It's just that it happens sooner in hc. =p. Also, it's just a game. Not that I would be happy with losing characters, but it's hardly the end of the world.
The elitism of hardcore fans is understandable, lets be honest, it requires a whole new learning process for 99% of people who come from softcore, and most softcore folks dont realise that. If they did, they wouldnt be so zealous to defend that their play mode is challenging aswell.
And yes, permanent death is a great motivator to keep ones senses up and focused on the game instead of the braindead kill fest that softcore sometimes is associated with.
Omikron8
23-08-2008, 03:18
People play hardcore because surviving theer requires skill because, as you clearly pointed out, if you don't have it you'll die. Just because you found it useless because you couldn't keep your character alive does not mean it's useless.
A blind monkey can finish the game on softcore.
tell me the "skill" in this:
- dual boxing with a BO barb
- dual boxing with an enchant sorc
- stacking vitality/resistances/block/damage reduction to the detriment of anything offensive (everyone wants to play casters because they are safer)
- using programs to automatically exit at low life
- exiting manually whenever you are in trouble
there i just listed all the ways that hardcore players cheat death, i'm still waiting to see how skill is involved in this
it reminds me of a post i saw on the hellgate forums many months ago, it was something along the lines of "hardcore players are so great, everyone else are noobs, hardcore players should be rewarded for taking more risk"
it may have been a troll but i responded with "if you're so hardcore next time you get surrounded by an overwhelming pack of monsters stand your ground and die instead of using save and exit"
it's humorous how hardcore players always boast how mighty they are with their fingers constantly hovering over the escape button, when i played hardcore frequently back in 1.09 i used the same tricks
do i have a problem with the hardcore mode itself ? no and i have no problem with others wanting it, i just have an issue when one of the players opens their mouth and tries to make themselves look better than everyone else
ThulRasha
25-08-2008, 09:25
there i just listed all the ways that hardcore players cheat death, i'm still waiting to see how skill is involved in this
Yes, all hardcore players play like this. They all dual box too.
Well okay, maybe not all. But all of them who try to say that it's more challenging sure play with there finger on the escape button.
Generalizing much?
Edit: of course lots of players really do what you said, and it sure is the reason why I stopped doing pvp on hardcore. Bloody chicken hacks. But most people do not, for most people it's game over and start a new char.
ZappaFan
25-08-2008, 12:57
I don't know of any HC player that play with "fingers constantly hovering over the escape button". First of all, that's probably a quicker way to die. Everybody I know is pretty busy with their left hand switch skills and what not.
I also know plenty of players that are pretty stubborn about staying and fighting their way out of situations rather than simply fluxing.
HC simply gives more of an adrenaline rush, knowing that if you die you lose your character. That's pretty much it IMO.
tell me the "skill" in this:
- dual boxing with a BO barb
- dual boxing with an enchant sorc
- stacking vitality/resistances/block/damage reduction to the detriment of anything offensive (everyone wants to play casters because they are safer)
- using programs to automatically exit at low life
- exiting manually whenever you are in trouble
there i just listed all the ways that hardcore players cheat death, i'm still waiting to see how skill is involved in this
it reminds me of a post i saw on the hellgate forums many months ago, it was something along the lines of "hardcore players are so great, everyone else are noobs, hardcore players should be rewarded for taking more risk"
it may have been a troll but i responded with "if you're so hardcore next time you get surrounded by an overwhelming pack of monsters stand your ground and die instead of using save and exit"
it's humorous how hardcore players always boast how mighty they are with their fingers constantly hovering over the escape button, when i played hardcore frequently back in 1.09 i used the same tricks
do i have a problem with the hardcore mode itself ? no and i have no problem with others wanting it, i just have an issue when one of the players opens their mouth and tries to make themselves look better than everyone else
Playing Diablo on SC is like playing online poker with "play" money.
It can still be fun but doesn't nearly give you the same feeling when winning or loosing as with real money (HC) :)
/Magnus
i prefer red writing...
and...
Getting geared up with cheap blues to clear the next area with the pitiful gold i earn
along the way and taking as little damage as possible while hopefully finding a good rare from a boss (classic) and not dying on my way to a respectable lvl 88/90 without help from others be it gear or rushing and no use of whatever boxing is
and exiting out halfway thru a fight???? yea right...
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