So...skill tree and gameplay report?

[Naja]

We just saw the Barbarian's. When is the Witch Doctor's due?

[Apocalypse]

i want to see the witch doctor skills also but from what i hear they were in limited quantity at blizzcon

[Naja]

Low amount of skills or not, I still want to read an extended piece about the Witch Doctor's skills, and how the character played.

We've already gotten the Barbarian and Wizard. Let's not forget the coolest, darkest character.

[a brick]

I think i remember him saying "later this weekend" but i'm not quite sure when exactly that is seeing as its about 9:30pm Sunday where i am...

i second naja. I can't wait to see what his skill tree is like!

disappointing to hear from the attendees at blzzcon that there isn't another summon really, though the mongrel does sound pretty amazing to me.

-brick

[Naja]

No other summon?

I remember the first gameplay video's narrater saying that the Mongrel was "the first of these summons".

[konfeta]

The Witch Doctor is currently the least developed character. It has like 10 skills total.

[Mad Mantis]

It strikes me as odd that Blizz chose to release such an underdeveloped char. When the Barb and the WD were introduced both had few skills. Now the Barb has a lot and the WD still has precious few.

I also wonder why they didn't show the Barb, WD and Wiz with about 15-20 skills at BlizzCon. That way they could have released skills about once a month and easily gain some hype for the next year. Instead the Wiz is almost complete and the Barb isn't far behind.

[psuedoenviro]

I think Blizz knew they had to have a Barb and Sorc char. They were probably the first two they worked on which is why they are further along in the development process.

I think the WD was released with the Barb so Blizz could say "look something new". He is probably still very much a work in progress.

[Apocalypse]

I think Blizz knew they had to have a Barb and Sorc char. They were probably the first two they worked on which is why they are further along in the development process.

I think the WD was released with the Barb so Blizz could say "look something new". He is probably still very much a work in progress.


pretty much what i thought. the WD was supposed to be thier big shock for the announcement and it caused alot of anger lol. the wizard being new but like a old char would come 3rd i expect the 5th to be the biggest change of all with the archer next

[a brick]

I remember reading that the WD they had at blizzcon was a month behind where they actually were, so it could be equally developed

[Telzen]

The build was said to be a month behind. So all three classes probably have more done on them than what was in the demo.

[Naja]

I really liked the gameplay report that Flux just posted.

Any idea when Blizzard will make those new Witch Doctor skills known? 11 to 50 is an awful skill tree disparity.

[Mad Mantis]

My guess is the next Blizz event, or near the holidays. Whichever comes first.

[redjellosux]

Well it isn't sure they want to show to much either considering there will probably be alot more changes and so on before they are even done with the skills and so on that there is really no rush for them to show them yet since so much can still change.

[Flux]

I assume everyone saw it by now, but here's the link.
http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/witch-doctor-gameplay-report/

As for skills, I doubt we'll get a big dump of WD skills any time soon. Maybe if they have playable machines at an event in the spring or summer next year; WWI in Korea or wherever, and some fans can see the screen and write down the info. (I expect major changes to Barb and Wiz skills by then, if they do.) I don't think bliz is likely to put a bunch of skills into screenshots or interviews, especially since we've got 11 active skills now, so most of the unknown ones in the lower tiers will be passives. Those aren't real exciting to describe in an interview, or demonstrate in a screenshot or gameplay movie.

[Mad Mantis]

I'm more concerned by his description of the WD as a concept that they haven't locked down yet. To me, the ever negative, it seems as though they had a cool visual in their heads and just ran with it. Now they are struggling to fill out the character. The chance to end up with a char that doesn't do anything well is pretty high.

[TheDarkSide]

Im really trying to like the WD but so far of the 3 classes we've seen Im betting he's the last one I'll try . As far as Blizzard expanding the character I dont see why they dont run with the Flayer Jungle concept a bit more . I mean he appears a lot like the flayers in act 3 so they could easly make him go that way . If they wanted they could let him summon those little pigmies to do his bidding like the boss guys in act 3 flayer jungle do .

Then he would be almost like the necro with his summons tree , and expand the voodoo curse tree some more , give him a blowdart tree with range damage skills and viola ...

:scratchchin:

[Aerts]

what are u guys talking about?

[KillaMike]

any one even gonna play with wd as first = final char?

[Doctor Salvador]

any one even gonna play with wd as first = final char?

I'm pumped to play the Doctor for my first char, and he'll most likely be the first char I beat the game with. Plus every time I think about Plague of Toads I just laugh and think about the first time I'mma use that skill.

[Es Mors]

I'm pumped to play the Doctor for my first char, and he'll most likely be the first char I beat the game with. Plus every time I think about Plague of Toads I just laugh and think about the first time I'mma use that skill.

Same here, if Blizzard doesn't come up with something I find absolutely breathtaking and amazing for the 4th and 5th characters, I'm definately playing Witch Doctor first. The Plague of Toads looks to be extremely fun, my other favourites are Spider Statue and Zombie Wall.

[Grug]

Well, who doesn't like zombie wall.

That's one of the things I like about D3. I could play any of the three classes and be happy. I might have to roll for it on release day. I'm serious. I normally play a caster, but I want to break the tradition.

[KillaMike]

Well, who doesn't like zombie wall.



oh well, they are fun but having a char cause of it? any way i always hated barbs in d2c / x and i stil dont really like it... so wizzy for me ^^

or maybe some kind of arse killer char 4/5 :O who knows

beside, he doesnt really look so good.... looks too much of warcraft 3 witch doctor...

[Psyco]

i probly wont play him "first" but probly my 3rd char...my 1st and 2nd char will probly be the wiz and then the barb since he went through a HUGE revamp that i absolutly love...funny cause he is the char i play the least in D2...well maybe him and the druid are even on that one but you know what i mean

the WD in my eye doesnt look original at all or fun,how he use is summon is the only new stuff ive seen so far on him,the rest is seriously just old graphicly revamped D2 skill so im no to excited about him and would love to see an actual "NEW" class,locust storm was the skill that really looked awesome(because of the skeleton killing animation) but its still a chain dmg spell which isnt that original and the wiz also still as that,the plague of toads look REALLY crappy imo it work almost exactly like charged bolt for now which is highly unoriginal,the spider statue is basicly a poison trap....sooo meh,firebat look awesome but behind that its still a damn inferno,mass confusion is just like old confusion of the old D2 class that was mostly small radius compared to this one,skull of flame=fireblast,some people said that zombie wall is like bone wall but imo its a merge of wall of fire and bone wall a bit more,look cool but still is just something other old class as done,this continue on and on for almost all skill so far

then again what we know is that is tree wasnt finish when we saw him in action...so maybe,but i really doubt il play him other then a 3rd char if he keep using these damn revamped skill

also is first summon(the mongrel) look really bad imo they could have made ghast/ghoul instead you know the fast kind of zombie in D&D

some people hate the necro(mostly for stupid reason that doesnt make sense,like sit down and do nothing...yeah right in normal maybe but in hell it was one of the most tactical class you could have unless you had over the top item) from D2 but he was seriously madly original and new to the genre and also introduced tons of new spell style in Diablo...the WD is unoriginal imo and offer only other graphic improvement of old spell thats basicly why i probly wont play him that much other then to try something different(like i play my elemental druid for example) or if he is madly OP like the hammerdin was...is

im expecting alots from the 2 last char btw and we still didint see all of is spell and also he could be revamped a bit(i hope)...but so far only the graphic stuff of zombie wall and locust swarm would make me play him,compared to the barb and wiz number of skill that i love that really bad

[Valmy]

Same here, if Blizzard doesn't come up with something I find absolutely breathtaking and amazing for the 4th and 5th characters, I'm definately playing Witch Doctor first. The Plague of Toads looks to be extremely fun, my other favourites are Spider Statue and Zombie Wall.

I didn't see Spider Statue in action, but it reminds me of my favorite druid skill: Fissure. I hope it will work in similar way. If not, I will like it anyway.


I totally agree with your first sentence. If Blizzard doesn't come up with something absolutely amazing for the 4th or 5th class, I will play Witch Doctor, without any doubt. I like the new soso-wizz (I will ignore lightning-frozen skills which are the same as D2, but the other trees are just amazing) and the new baba-baba (fury looks cool for him), but I prefer at the moment the new necro-dudu :thumbup:

My favorite character in Diablo2 was the Hunter Druid (bow and summons). If they don't come with a character like that, I will probably play Witch Doctor first.

[KillaMike]

i probly wont play him "first" but probly my 3rd char...my 1st and 2nd char will probly be the wiz and then the barb since he went through a HUGE revamp that i absolutly love...funny cause he is the char i play the least in D2...well maybe him and the druid are even on that one but you know what i mean



well.... my 1st char gonna be wiz, cause i like soso's too much... my second char is gonna be wiz... cause 100% sure i will screw up my 1st char.... my 3rd char would be wiz... beacuse i would have some gear from my "mfer" wiz...

my 4th char could be wd.... but just for sake of playing all avaliable chars... oh same with barb.... hope some cool char 4/5 gonna come and lift my mood up ^_^

[AxlStrife]

If you see Doogie Howser running around, make sure to give me a shout out... assuming WD will make it to the final game.

I hope we get more info on WD soon.

[Mad Mantis]

They've let us hanging for info for far too long. Even a single new skill would be welcome.

[AxlStrife]

They've let us hanging for info for far too long. Even a single new skill would be welcome.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO agreed. (Man, that sentence makes the grammar Nazi in me cry.)

[Elmacro]

i probly wont play him "first" but probly my 3rd char...my 1st and 2nd char will probly be the wiz and then the barb since he went through a HUGE revamp that i absolutly love...funny cause he is the char i play the least in D2...well maybe him and the druid are even on that one but you know what i mean

the WD in my eye doesnt look original at all or fun,how he use is summon is the only new stuff ive seen so far on him,the rest is seriously just old graphicly revamped D2 skill so im no to excited about him and would love to see an actual "NEW" class,locust storm was the skill that really looked awesome(because of the skeleton killing animation) but its still a chain dmg spell which isnt that original and the wiz also still as that,the plague of toads look REALLY crappy imo it work almost exactly like charged bolt for now which is highly unoriginal,the spider statue is basicly a poison trap....sooo meh,firebat look awesome but behind that its still a damn inferno,mass confusion is just like old confusion of the old D2 class that was mostly small radius compared to this one,skull of flame=fireblast,some people said that zombie wall is like bone wall but imo its a merge of wall of fire and bone wall a bit more,look cool but still is just something other old class as done,this continue on and on for almost all skill so far

then again what we know is that is tree wasnt finish when we saw him in action...so maybe,but i really doubt il play him other then a 3rd char if he keep using these damn revamped skill

also is first summon(the mongrel) look really bad imo they could have made ghast/ghoul instead you know the fast kind of zombie in D&D

some people hate the necro(mostly for stupid reason that doesnt make sense,like sit down and do nothing...yeah right in normal maybe but in hell it was one of the most tactical class you could have unless you had over the top item) from D2 but he was seriously madly original and new to the genre and also introduced tons of new spell style in Diablo...the WD is unoriginal imo and offer only other graphic improvement of old spell thats basicly why i probly wont play him that much other then to try something different(like i play my elemental druid for example) or if he is madly OP like the hammerdin was...is

im expecting alots from the 2 last char btw and we still didint see all of is spell and also he could be revamped a bit(i hope)...but so far only the graphic stuff of zombie wall and locust swarm would make me play him,compared to the barb and wiz number of skill that i love that really bad

I have to quote the whole post, because you have thought EXACTLY what i have about the skills. The are all skills from d2, but not only that, they are those skills which near no-one used (at least in higher levels of difficulty) walls (if you were a nec everyone would shout at you if you created some), charged bolt, inferno, nec curses (except one or 2 who were real useful)...

Nevertheless i will play as first char with the wd, because at the beginning no-one will have good items etc so we will be able to realy play for fun, and he seems the most fun of all. However later on i think he may not be used too much and be classified as a weak char :(

[Doctor Salvador]

I have to quote the whole post, because you have thought EXACTLY what i have about the skills. The are all skills from d2, but not only that, they are those skills which near no-one used (at least in higher levels of difficulty) walls (if you were a nec everyone would shout at you if you created some), charged bolt, inferno, nec curses (except one or 2 who were real useful)...

Nevertheless i will play as first char with the wd, because at the beginning no-one will have good items etc so we will be able to realy play for fun, and he seems the most fun of all. However later on i think he may not be used too much and be classified as a weak char :(

You'd think that only one or two necromancer curses are any good, but when I play Fishymancer's, I tend to use plenty of 'em. Amp for general killing, terror for clearing doorways, confuse/attract/dim vision for gloams and archers, life tap if my skellies are actually dying (Psh, like that could happen), decrepify for bosses, etc. I think the same goes for many of the poo-poo skills in D2. You still see a charged boltress hither and thither, and I had a friend who made a blaze sorc who wasn't too bad 'til Hell difficulty.

Besides that, this is D3, if they mess around with certain skills enough, they can make anything useful.