So how do we bring Big D back?

[Claymenza]

Alright, I remember back in D1 they already explained that his soulstone was contained and that D found a strong host so he cannot escape. Great game, great ending.

D2 explains that he does escape (diablo 2 isn't diablo 2 if the big dude doesn't return) and you could already tell that the wanderer would transform anyway. A bit predictable. Then they established that in order to kill the prime evils, you need to smash the soulstone. Mephisto got crushed at the hellforge, but they don't really mention what happens to diablo's soulstone.

Did we hand it back to tyrael? Now it seems like they're giving him too much time in this story. Not saying it's bad, I think the series could use strong characters. But if tyrael was given Diablo's soulstone and he didn't smash it...then it's spelling it out for us that he messed up.

As for baal's soulstone, I'm not sure if he merged it with the worldstone. (which is why he launched his sword at the thing) Whatever the case, we do know that the barbarian is supposed to be the same one from d2. (even though he looks nowhere near the same) Meaning he has a role.

That's not the point though. My beef here is the concept that diablo cannot really be killed. If he is, he's sent back to hell. But that doesn't really mean anything since you can go in and out at your own will anyway. So baal destroyed the worldstone for what reason? Open the gates?

[sh25]

Diablos stone got destroyed at the hellforge 2. Tyreal says it to you. I don't remember if its after you kill d or if its in a5 but he does say it.

[nicro tower]

I think Diablo is just prevented from entering Sanctuary, and presumably, he is greatly weakened/in great pain, sort of comparable to how when you kill a demon/devil in Forgotten Realms (it is banished to it's home plane to recuperate). Most obvious solution is to stage a battle in Hell.

[Frostraven]

Demons always find a way back.

/thread

Seriously, though.

Demons always find a way back.

/thread again

[That_Other_Guy]

IIRC, the cinematic for destroying Mephisto's soulstone shows two stones being destroyed; I'd assume the second is Diablo's, and not an Annihilus.

He only ever really 'walks the earth' as an uberized version of himself; both D1 and D2 Diablos were fought in hell. Though I'm sure he'll come back again, I hope they also explore more primal sources of darkness and evil in the game, as opposed to little-known expansions (boss in Hellfire) or joke pages on their site (Reizarfg).

[happysmacks]

wasnt diablo's soulstone lodged into the head of the hero at the end of diablo1? and isnt the dark wonderer in act3 D2 meant to be the hero from diablo1 still walking east .... always to the east ;) becuase he is possessed by the stone? :ponder:

[happysmacks]

wasnt diablo's soulstone lodged into the head of the hero at the end of diablo1? and isnt the dark wonderer in act3 D2 meant to be the hero from diablo1 still walking east .... always to the east ;) becuase he is possessed by the stone? :ponder:

dumbass! :whistling:

just read that the dark wanderer is diablo :wave:

[Apocalypse]

dumbass! :whistling:

just read that the dark wanderer is diablo :wave:

just getting that now are ya? lol

[happysmacks]

just getting that now are ya? lol

haha yeah :jig: think ive got a bit of lagg :dopey:

[Generic]

I thought:
The Prime Evils cannot ever be "Destroyed" fully. The soulstones were created to imprison the demons, contain them and take them out of the picture. It is the next best thing if you can't permanently "kill" them.
If the Prime Evils cannot enter Sanctuary (Earth) with their own power, than that means they need someone on Earth (a mage) to open the gate from our side. This would explain why banishing them back to hell would be effective. Only a complete idiot would summon them to Earth, and we all know that NO human would be that stupid. ^_^

[jamesisbest]

Since the worldstone chamber is destroyed we can now assume that Hell and Heaven both can freely enter Sanctuary now. Diablo was probably just weakened and banished to some corner of hell when you killed him in Diablo 2. He may come back to Sanctuary but I would guess since this one is supposed to be the end of the first Diablo trilogy I would assume you will go to hell at some point and just slay him there. I don't think it will be hard for them to find some way to put him in though it was interesting that Blizzard said that Diablo didn't necessarily have to be in the game despite the series being the Diablo series.

[FreezBee]

... Diablo didn't necessarily have to be in the game despite the series being the Diablo series.

When hell freezes over :smug:

Of course, Diablo will be in any Diablo game -- that's why it's a Diablo game.

We'll have to walk the walk, talk the talk, balk the balk, malk the malk -- but in the end (or before!) we'll have to face the music, er, Diablo.

The soul stones are shards of the World Stone, so with the World Stone destroyed, the soul stones, destroyed or not, make no difference.

Um, well, just my $0.02


- FreezBee

[Claymenza]

When hell freezes over :smug:

Of course, Diablo will be in any Diablo game -- that's why it's a Diablo game.

We'll have to walk the walk, talk the talk, balk the balk, malk the malk -- but in the end (or before!) we'll have to face the music, er, Diablo.

The soul stones are shards of the World Stone, so with the World Stone destroyed, the soul stones, destroyed or not, make no difference.

Um, well, just my $0.02


- FreezBee
Well said...when diablo 2 came out, everybody expected that the next chapter will involve baal. It was no secret and they didn't pretend anything. When I ask about D3 to other fans, they kept saying there's no potential for a sequel or another installment unless it was a reboot.

So in the end, I agree that the soulstones are just gimmicks that gets the players to believe that the evils are dead. I mean, why didn't they talk about smashing the soulstone in Diablo 1?

Ok let's assume tyrael smashed Diablo's soulstone...where's baal's soulstone?
Maybe it has something to do with the barbarian coming back in the third diablo. Anyone else find it a coincidence that blizzard initially didn't want the characters to be considered as roles. However that didn't stop them from saying that it was the warrior who defeated diablo (and turned into the wanderer). Why wasn't it the rogue or the sorcerer?

In the same way, why is it the barbarian who returns in diablo 3? Because the other four heroes died in the fight? Hey that would be a good explanation, not to mention baal was assaulting Mount Arreat which the barbarian was destined to protect.

I'm just disappointed that none of the journalists who claim to be fans never asked the tough questions us forum fans do. Make no mistake though, it's gonna be much more gratifying playing the game to watch them go around that.

[nEgativezEro]

The soulstones were primarily meant imprisonment. After what happened in both Diablo I and II, it became clear that the soulstones, although capable of containing the prime evils, were not infallible. King Leoric was driven mad by Diablo while he was still imprisoned. Diablo built his strength from within the soulstone once again via medium of the Dark Wanderer. I believe at the time, the soulstones were still a link to the mortal realm for Diablo and Mephisto. Baal, according to the information I can find, was never imprisoned in a soulstone.

However, as Tyreal says after defeating Baal:

Given enough time, the Worldstone's energies will drain away and the barriers between the worlds will shatter -- the powers of Hell will flood into this...Sanctuary...and eradicate your people and everything you've labored to build.

Therefore I must destroy the corrupted Worldstone before the powers of Hell take root. This act will change your world forever -- with consequences even I cannot foresee. However it is the only way to ensure mankind's survival.

Baal corrupted the Worldstone badly enough that it would've brought all of hell's army to the surface. With the Worldstone destroyed, it's presumable that the powers against hell's rising are weakened. When Diablo and his brothers were killed, you figure they probably went right back into hell. If not, it's likely that somebody or something else would have the knowledge and ability to revive him. 20 years have passed and he's probably been rebuilding his power once again, ready to unleash himself on the world now that there is no Worldstone to protect it.

[Zeek]

OK so here's the info as far as I know it. Diablo, Mephisto and Baal wanted to be imprisoned in the soul stones. We learn that from Izual. The soul stones actually give them power. It's unclear what that is exactly. I think it's either the power to enter sanctuary or the power to take over human bodies. Humans are powerful in their own right and it's possible Diablo, Mephisto and Baal wanted to acquire human's power by taking over their bodies.

Either way it wasn't actually a punishment to them it was their plan all along. Destroying the soul stones sends them to "the abyss" whatever that means. So, for them to return they need to be retrieved from "the abyss". I'm sure there is some power capable of that little trick.

Then there's the world stone. From what I've read it's not a barrier keeping heaven or hell out of sanctuary. It was a masking device that was meant to hide sanctuary. Clearly both sides have found sanctuary in spite of the world stone. So, it's destruction is not a major issue. Except that now both sides can clearly see sanctuary and obviously D3 has to do with heaven and hell's goals for sanctuary and humans.

[Claymenza]

OK so here's the info as far as I know it. Diablo, Mephisto and Baal wanted to be imprisoned in the soul stones. We learn that from Izual. The soul stones actually give them power. It's unclear what that is exactly. I think it's either the power to enter sanctuary or the power to take over human bodies. Humans are powerful in their own right and it's possible Diablo, Mephisto and Baal wanted to acquire human's power by taking over their bodies.

Either way it wasn't actually a punishment to them it was their plan all along. Destroying the soul stones sends them to "the abyss" whatever that means. So, for them to return they need to be retrieved from "the abyss". I'm sure there is some power capable of that little trick.

Then there's the world stone. From what I've read it's not a barrier keeping heaven or hell out of sanctuary. It was a masking device that was meant to hide sanctuary. Clearly both sides have found sanctuary in spite of the world stone. So, it's destruction is not a major issue. Except that now both sides can clearly see sanctuary and obviously D3 has to do with heaven and hell's goals for sanctuary and humans.

Good post, except i'm curious why they never mentioned "the abyss" before. They usually say back to the burning hells...but that makes no sense. Even the worldstone wasn't elaborated upon. I'm assuming you got this info from the books?

So what's this story about meteors falling down? Are they coming from outer space now?

[Claymenza]

I believe at the time, the soulstones were still a link to the mortal realm for Diablo and Mephisto. Baal, according to the information I can find, was never imprisoned in a soulstone.

Actually he was. Tal Rasha was holding onto the soulstone in that tomb. Remember that cinematic where Tyrael yells "FOOL!" at marius for taking that soulstone from his the dude's forehead.

Later on in act 5, the opening cinematic has marius giving tyrael the soulstone then he find out it's actually baal himself. He eventually gets owned. :jig:

Poor marius.

[Erikje]

Somewhere in the game is mentioned that defeating the Prime Evils mean they get banished back to hell. With the soulstones defeated that means they can't come back.

However, the worldstone destroyed creates a gap that Blizzard can use to get 'em back in the normal world. Same goes for the Angels.

The subtitle is "And the Heavens shall tremble" so i do expect some kind of epic battle in Heaven, involving Tyrael (one way or another, he is involved)

[Zeek]

Good post, except i'm curious why they never mentioned "the abyss" before. They usually say back to the burning hells...but that makes no sense. Even the worldstone wasn't elaborated upon. I'm assuming you got this info from the books?

So what's this story about meteors falling down? Are they coming from outer space now?
Tyreal: "Praise be to the Light! You have accomplished the impossible!

Diablo and Mephisto have been banished back into the Black Abyss that spawned them, and the corrupted Soulstones are no more."
That's what he says happened when the soulstones were destroyed. Now what the black abyss is can be up for interpretation. Does that mean hell? Does it mean outer space? What spawned the prime evils?

I just posted things I've gathered from reading posts here, playing the games and reading manuals. Some of it might be from Diablo books, but I've never read them myself. I think that's where the world stone lore comes from though. I think it was something about humans being the spawn of a demon and an angel. They felt that heaven and hell would never approve of their offspring and so they created the world stone to hide their children. Something like that.

[stillman]

Zeek and others are right about "the abyss". The necro says, "Give my regards to the abyss" after he kills Mephisto IIRC.

So my thinking is that the abyss is actually outter space and not hell. If it were hell, Baal, Mephisto and Diablo would all be saying cheers when they respawn in hell after you kill them and then the'd say "there's no place like home" then their deaths would not accomplish anything. In d2, their deaths must be accomplishing SOMETHING or Tyreal (who knows more about such things) would not be so pleased that you defeated the three.

So maybe the abyss is outter space and Diablo has found some way of coming back in the meteor. Maybe he was stuck in space for 20 years drifting around, then saw a fluke meteor heading towards Santuary and seized the opportunity to pour his soul into the meteor.

I haven't read the speculation about Tyreal being the meteor. That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. Why would Tyreal hit the cathedral in tristram and why would the after-effect be evil monsters stirring and killing off the town? The meteor is what starts up the vicious evil in Tristram. It's most likely Diablo in the meteor chosing to steer the meteor towards Tristram because there is a nice source of bodies and crypts down there to hide in, not to mention a passageway to hell itself (from d1).

Note the resemblance to the d2 intro story: the wonderer in the pub begins losing his griphold over his self, and as diablo starts to partly emerge trying to take over, a bunch of evil stirs up--monsters jump out of the fire, skellies are conjured up from nowhere, evil spirits start flying around (one pops throught the chest of the little sever). It is Diablo's partial presence causing this. This same sort of occurance is happening in d3 at Tristram and surrounding areas; evil is congregating to what I presume must be Diablo himself.

The meteor is physical, and the cathedral is the physical passageway to hell where Diablo can regain his griphold.

Note: in Superman 3, the 3 supervillians are trapped in a mirror sort of 2-dimensional square which is tumbling around endlessley in space much to their turmoil. It is their punishment for their crimes on Kripton. But the plane smashes and they are released. I think Diablo was bannished to a similar fate after being sent to the abyss, except there is no plane mirror trapping him in. He is just a spirit form trapped in the endless void of space for eternity. Well, not anymore.

[mortetvie]

Is it possible that the abyss mentioned is simply that 'spirit" realm where the wich doctors get their power and the necromancers got their power?

[satheron]

The only thing is that in Diablo 2, diablo WAS defeated in Hell.

So where does his spirit go from there?

[shadowdemonz]

Anyone really interested on getting most of the answers for the questions asked in this forum should read the Diablo Sin Wars Trilogy of books.
Not only is a good read which provides a lot of historic content of the Diablo universe, but will also provide much of the story content in D3 (I think I remember Blizzard mentioning something like this)

For those of you that don’t like reading books, I will write a quick summary with some very interesting tid bits.
SPOILER ALERT !!! Should you still want to read the books then please don’t continue reading.

Sanctuary was created when a bunch of Rogue Angels and Demons lead by the angel Inarius (Considered Tyreal’s Brother) got sick of the eternal war between the High heavens and the burning hells fled the eternal conflict.
The angel Inarius then created Sanctuary and the world stone. The world stones primary function was to hide Sanctuary from the High heavens and the burning hells.

After the rogue Angles and Demons “mated” (If we can call it that) the first humans were born. A product of Angel’s and Demons.
It was discovered that these offspring could develop incredible power, stronger than those of Angels or Demons. Inarius not liking this, then decided to modify the world stone to block the offspring’s (Humans) inherent power.

Skip a couple of pages later and you have Lilith (Daughter of Mephisto) awakening the power of the humans and starting an uprising against Inarius.
The High Heavens and Burning hells then discover Sanctuary. The High Heavens wanting to eradicate the humans because they are seen as abominations (The product of Angels and Demons) and the Burning hell wants to use the humans as part of their army to tip the scales of the eternal conflict in their favour.

A huge battle then occurs between the Angels, Demons and Humans. Skipping forward a bit more, a truce is then called between the High heavens and the Burning hells. The high council of Angels and Mephisto decide that the Humans should be left alone to develop for themselves and to choose their own path between light(good) and dark(Evil).
It was decided that both the High Heavens and burning heals were not allowed to invade or interfere with the humans of Sanctuary. (The world stone does not prevent them from entering)

To ensure that Mephisto and the burning hells keep their side of the deal, the rogue Angel Inarius was handed over to Mephisto as a prisoner.

So based on the above mentioned I raise the following points;

1. With the world stone destroyed in D2, humans should now able to once again develop the great power within which is their birth right. Maybe this spurred the burning hells on to invade Sanctuary and claim the humans as theirs before they develop these powers?
2. The Abyss is mentioned in the books as an eternal void of darkness (a different plane of existence) were only those with immense power can leave or enter. Lilith (Daughter of Mephisto) was banished here by Inarius never to return. When Diablo and Mephosto’s soul stones were destroyed, it is highly likely that they would be banished to the Abyss. Maybe they found a way out or was rescued by another great power/evil?
3. Seeing as the burning hells are invading Sanctuary and the truce broken in D3, maybe the High Heavens send Tyreal or other Angels to help humanity?

Well, that’s all I have to say for now.

[KLS]

1. With the world stone destroyed in D2, humans should now able to once again develop the great power within which is their birth right. Maybe this spurred the burning hells on to invade Sanctuary and claim the humans as theirs before they develop these powers?
2. The Abyss is mentioned in the books as an eternal void of darkness (a different plane of existence) were only those with immense power can leave or enter. Lilith (Daughter of Mephisto) was banished here by Inarius never to return. When Diablo and Mephosto’s soul stones were destroyed, it is highly likely that they would be banished to the Abyss. Maybe they found a way out or was rescued by another great power/evil?
3. Seeing as the burning hells are invading Sanctuary and the truce broken in D3, maybe the High Heavens send Tyreal or other Angels to help humanity?

1. Nice thought, and i hope it will be so ... or at least very close to something like this)
2. Abyss ... Return from there? ... dunno about this ... seems like another way for Blizz to be able to ressurect anyone they want ... if so i dont like this at all...
3. Angels supose to hate humans according to lore

My questions:
1. Why heavens didnt used the situation while prime evils and their armys were fighting each other for their advantage? it seems this kind of internal problems inside of one of the sides could give the other great advantage and a big chance to win this war at last...
2. Why Diablo when getting him self a body always running back to hells? is he want to go home and kick *** to the traitirs Belial and Azmodan, but heros always chasing, killing and trapping him back to the soulstone just before he could do so or what?
2.1 If so then Why would Diablo close himself beyond 5 seals in D2? %)
2.2 In D2 we kill Diablo in Hell, i dont understand why would soulstones still work outside Sanctuary ... but any way, we killed him, traped his soul in the soulstone and then destroyed that soulstone = banished Diablo in the Abyss this time right? no coming back from Abyss i hope :D
3. Will nefalems(humans) will have to kick asses to both sides in the end? :)

Conclusion:
I think that even if try to bring Diablo back ... then better creation of the new Diablo then revive the old one.

Diablo is the name of the setting, its not about killing Diablo in each of the game series ... We owned Big Old D twice already ... aint it enough? :) And basicly we can call any Big Bad Final Demon Boss a Diablo right? :)

[stillman]

^idk

I think Blizzard just threw a lot of terms out there and failed to tie up the loose ends. They did a poor job explaining things. Here's what I mean:

-After Tyreal smashes the worldstone, we're told Sancuary would become a very different place. But how so? They never even touched on this. Was d2 some kind of sick cliffhanger like d1?

-Ok. When you kill Mehisto, the necro says "Give my regards to the abyss." But when you kill another demon boss Andariel, necro says, "Back to the Hell that spawned you Andariel." So which one is it? Do they go to the abyss or Hell or what? If it's Hell then you're doing them a favor; they go home without having to pay any cab fare.

At least there is Cain's Journal. This may be a sign that Blizzard is going to explain this stuff. Maybe there is hope for us.

[Claymenza]

Demons always find a way back.

/thread

Seriously, though.

Demons always find a way back.

/thread again

I understand the ridiculous nature of this concept, but that's what I'm a bit baffled about. If they find a way back, why is blizzard acting like it's some sort of "this time it's for real" scenario with every installment.

Why pretend like he was gone to begin with?

[Claymenza]

Heh, if they can bring back the skeleton king without any journalists asking why....then they can bring back diablo with a half assed explanation.

[cogline]

1. Nice thought, and i hope it will be so ... or at least very close to something like this)
2. Abyss ... Return from there? ... dunno about this ... seems like another way for Blizz to be able to ressurect anyone they want ... if so i dont like this at all...
3. Angels supose to hate humans according to lore

My questions:
1. Why heavens didnt used the situation while prime evils and their armys were fighting each other for their advantage? it seems this kind of internal problems inside of one of the sides could give the other great advantage and a big chance to win this war at last...
2. Why Diablo when getting him self a body always running back to hells? is he want to go home and kick *** to the traitirs Belial and Azmodan, but heros always chasing, killing and trapping him back to the soulstone just before he could do so or what?
2.1 If so then Why would Diablo close himself beyond 5 seals in D2? %)
2.2 In D2 we kill Diablo in Hell, i dont understand why would soulstones still work outside Sanctuary ... but any way, we killed him, traped his soul in the soulstone and then destroyed that soulstone = banished Diablo in the Abyss this time right? no coming back from Abyss i hope :D
3. Will nefalems(humans) will have to kick asses to both sides in the end? :)

Conclusion:
I think that even if try to bring Diablo back ... then better creation of the new Diablo then revive the old one.

Diablo is the name of the setting, its not about killing Diablo in each of the game series ... We owned Big Old D twice already ... aint it enough? :) And basicly we can call any Big Bad Final Demon Boss a Diablo right? :)

OK, after reading the spoiler, I find some points intriguing.
I always believed that it was Tyrael's plan to destroy the worldstone all along.
The spoiler above only enhances this viewpoint.

So:
Tyrael wanted to destroy it. Why? Did he want humans to become all powerful?
Why?

Is Tyrael a rogue angel? I believe so. I believe he acts outside the whims of Heaven, and this means that he either a) doesn't hate humans such that Angels are meant to, or b) he wants to use humans for their abundant power.

There is also a possibility that c) Heaven has decided to try and use humans in the same way that Hell is trying to recruit them, but due to the natural hatred pronounced, it was required to be a covert operation.

regarding the answer to 1. above, can you really believe anything told to you by a demon?
The Sin Wars are merely an interpretation of such. Further to that, perhaps the only thing that could unite all demons back together would be a full scale attack from Heaven. With a united purpose, enemies can ally, and so demons would work together to defeat the attack from Heaven. Therefore, the best thing Heaven could do was NOT attack, and allow time for natural attrition.

To answer number 2, I believe that Diablo was travelling back to Hell to generate the army and prepare for the onslaught.
Why was he in his seals?
Other than giving us a few more bosses to kill and a half-hearted puzzle, I'm not sure.
And regarding the soulstones in Hell, again, do you really trust the words of Tyrael who has shown to have some ulterior motive, some personal agenda.
All he seems to *really* care about is destroying soulstones.

And I guess we just stopped Diablo from preparing his army to attack the Angels as they swarm Sanctuary to kill us all. Good one, us.

[cogline]

Ahhhh.... but if we're all singing, all dancing superhumans, then we'll have the power to save ourselves.
What are you up to, Tyrael?

[Zeek]

Tyrael might be a rogue angel but I don't think he's against us. Maybe he knew that the heavens were preparing to invade sanctuary and he actually came to destroy the worldstone so we'd be powerful enough to defend ourselves.

So many possibilities.

I still like it better if that wasn't really Tyrael in Act V. I've always felt something was fishy with how he said the powers binding him to "this world" were broken in Act II and then he just shows up no problem back in Sanctuary in Act V. It's either something that needed explanation, a production error, or a fake Tyrael.

[Lynchgrinch]

i think blizz are being realy quite clever about this. they must know that we've been speculating here on the forums for ages, but the fact is they could take the story in so many different directions. what i mean is they've had years to come up with something thats gonna blow our minds, and they've not failed before as far as the diablo series goes. i recon they'll do something tottaly unexpected but still makes sence.

then again the ammount of speculation going on here is huge, someone might have got it right already.

[stillman]

About the fake Tyreal idea....

I was thinking about how the whole d2 story told by Marius is being told to a fake Tyreal. It's really Baal making himself look like Tyreal by sitting in front of a window and messing with Marius' head. So since all of the d2 story involved a fake Tyreal, would Blizzard really use that idea again? It would kind of be like killing Diablo and he crumbles away to reveal a child again.

[Speedz]

First off, I doubt Tyreal was an impostor in Acts IV and V, only because he was clearly an Angel and not a hooded figure that didn't show his face (well he was, but he was also floating?) Baal actually looked like Baal under that cloak. But then, it's Diablo, where nothing is what it seems... And blizz probably gets a good laugh about making us think this stuff haha..

Secondly, I completely agree with Zeek! Another thread elaborates on the evidence behind the angel seen taking off in Tristram Cathedral in the concept art, claiming it to be Imparius (wrong name? Forget), the Angel who called for the destruction of Sanctuary in the Lore. If in fact the destruction of the world stone means that humanity will once again become stronger than either angels or demons, it seems that Imparius could very well be coming to sanctuary (in meteor form) to destroy it before it's residents become to powerful. This of course leaves Heaven open to an assault from Hell, and the Lesser Evils who've had their eyes on it the entire time. Then you have to wonder how Diablo is going to crawl back into this? Too many theories, not enough proof. :| Oh Blizz how you torture us haha.

[Foolishpleazure]

Zeek and others are right about "the abyss". The necro says, "Give my regards to the abyss" after he kills Mephisto IIRC.

So my thinking is that the abyss is actually outter space and not hell. If it were hell, Baal, Mephisto and Diablo would all be saying cheers when they respawn in hell after you kill them and then the'd say "there's no place like home" then their deaths would not accomplish anything. In d2, their deaths must be accomplishing SOMETHING or Tyreal (who knows more about such things) would not be so pleased that you defeated the three.

So maybe the abyss is outter space and Diablo has found some way of coming back in the meteor. Maybe he was stuck in space for 20 years drifting around, then saw a fluke meteor heading towards Santuary and seized the opportunity to pour his soul into the meteor.

I haven't read the speculation about Tyreal being the meteor. That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. Why would Tyreal hit the cathedral in tristram and why would the after-effect be evil monsters stirring and killing off the town? The meteor is what starts up the vicious evil in Tristram. It's most likely Diablo in the meteor chosing to steer the meteor towards Tristram because there is a nice source of bodies and crypts down there to hide in, not to mention a passageway to hell itself (from d1).

Note the resemblance to the d2 intro story: the wonderer in the pub begins losing his griphold over his self, and as diablo starts to partly emerge trying to take over, a bunch of evil stirs up--monsters jump out of the fire, skellies are conjured up from nowhere, evil spirits start flying around (one pops throught the chest of the little sever). It is Diablo's partial presence causing this. This same sort of occurance is happening in d3 at Tristram and surrounding areas; evil is congregating to what I presume must be Diablo himself.

The meteor is physical, and the cathedral is the physical passageway to hell where Diablo can regain his griphold.

Note: in Superman 3, the 3 supervillians are trapped in a mirror sort of 2-dimensional square which is tumbling around endlessley in space much to their turmoil. It is their punishment for their crimes on Kripton. But the plane smashes and they are released. I think Diablo was bannished to a similar fate after being sent to the abyss, except there is no plane mirror trapping him in. He is just a spirit form trapped in the endless void of space for eternity. Well, not anymore.




Uh,no........This has to do with the forces of good and evil,Heaven and Hell,not outer space.This is a game of Medevil times,not an outer space sci-fi.
As for Baal,I never got the reasoning behind that since Diablo (spanish) and Mephistopheles or Mephisto for short (Greek) are different cultural ideas of the same thing,the Devil himself whereas Baal was't.He was only a False God that people worshipped (And majorly pissed off Moses).

[Caligunero]

As for Baal,I never got the reasoning behind that since Diablo (Spanish) and Mephistopheles or Mephisto for short (Greek) are different cultural ideas of the same thing,the Devil himself whereas Baal wasn't.He was only a False God that people worshiped (And majorly pissed off Moses).

In the Old Testament, whenever the Hebrews turned away from God, they turned towards "Baal," which is really just any deity who was not the Hebrew God; and, when you have only one supreme God who represents the good and the right, then any and all other deities (ie. Baals) and necessarily bad and wrong. ho is the best representation of bad and wrong/opposite god than the Devil/Diablo/Mephistopheles...the Blizzard people definitely know what they're doing when it comes to the names of the leaders of the Heavens and the Burning Hells.

Since there is no Satan in the Hebrew belief system, the closest thing that the Hebrews had to the Devil/Diablo/Mephistopheles was the all-encompassing term "Baal".

[Grawner]

In the Old Testament, whenever the Hebrews turned away from God, they turned towards "Baal," which is really just any deity who was not the Hebrew God; and, when you have only one supreme God who represents the good and the right, then any and all other deities (ie. Baals) and necessarily bad and wrong. ho is the best representation of bad and wrong/opposite god than the Devil/Diablo/Mephistopheles...the Blizzard people definitely know what they're doing when it comes to the names of the leaders of the Heavens and the Burning Hells.

Since there is no Satan in the Hebrew belief system, the closest thing that the Hebrews had to the Devil/Diablo/Mephistopheles was the all-encompassing term "Baal".

nice information, thanks mate :)

[Zeek]

Uh,no........This has to do with the forces of good and evil,Heaven and Hell,not outer space.This is a game of Medevil times,not an outer space sci-fi.
As for Baal,I never got the reasoning behind that since Diablo (spanish) and Mephistopheles or Mephisto for short (Greek) are different cultural ideas of the same thing,the Devil himself whereas Baal was't.He was only a False God that people worshipped (And majorly pissed off Moses).
What do you think the medieval heavens were? The stars were in the heavens to them. It's outer space. There's already a meteor hitting sanctuary in D3. Where did that came from? Hint: starts with "outer"

[stillman]

^ Then there's 'of the stars' and 'of the heavens' and 'of the zodiac' items from d1.

On a different note, I think someone mentioned what's the point of killing diablo again? He keeps coming back! I hope in d3 the heros figgure this problem out and stop merely banishing Diablo.

[Foolishpleazure]

In the Old Testament, whenever the Hebrews turned away from God, they turned towards "Baal," which is really just any deity who was not the Hebrew God; and, when you have only one supreme God who represents the good and the right, then any and all other deities (ie. Baals) and necessarily bad and wrong. ho is the best representation of bad and wrong/opposite god than the Devil/Diablo/Mephistopheles...the Blizzard people definitely know what they're doing when it comes to the names of the leaders of the Heavens and the Burning Hells.

Since there is no Satan in the Hebrew belief system, the closest thing that the Hebrews had to the Devil/Diablo/Mephistopheles was the all-encompassing term "Baal".



Good answer.....I wondered about that for a while.also,I've kinda expanded on an idea thats been kicked around for a while for D3.
We know Diablo,Mephisto,and Baal cant be brought back since their soulstones were smashed,why not bring in Lucifer,Belial,and Beelzebub maybe like the new Primevils.also,since Andarial and Duriel were defeated but not for good like their 3 bosses,they could be brought back as well.

[Grawner]

Good answer.....I wondered about that for a while.also,I've kinda expanded on an idea thats been kicked around for a while for D3.
We know Diablo,Mephisto,and Baal cant be brought back since their soulstones were smashed,why not bring in Lucifer,Belial,and Beelzebub maybe like the new Primevils.also,since Andarial and Duriel were defeated but not for good like their 3 bosses,they could be brought back as well.


Definetly not Beelzebub, i cant take that name seriously :b
but Perhaps Mammon?

[bottledwater]

Good answer.....I wondered about that for a while.also,I've kinda expanded on an idea thats been kicked around for a while for D3.
We know Diablo,Mephisto,and Baal cant be brought back since their soulstones were smashed,why not bring in Lucifer,Belial,and Beelzebub maybe like the new Primevils.also,since Andarial and Duriel were defeated but not for good like their 3 bosses,they could be brought back as well.

they couldn't be brought back because of the world stone, now that tyrael went ahead and smashed it all up, all bets are off.

[Dangerus Dan]

My take is that the Black Abyss is actually "outer space" and that's how Big D will return. It's would explain the "of the stars" and "of the heavens" and "of the zodiac" talk/items from D1.

From the trailer:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2weibfn.jpg

[Lynchgrinch]

by the black abyss do you mean the void, cos in the books the void is described as a completely empty nothingness. no stars.

[DivineSweety]

Zeek and others are right about "the abyss". The necro says, "Give my regards to the abyss" after he kills Mephisto IIRC.

So my thinking is that the abyss is actually outter space and not hell. If it were hell, Baal, Mephisto and Diablo would all be saying cheers when they respawn in hell after you kill them and then the'd say "there's no place like home" then their deaths would not accomplish anything. In d2, their deaths must be accomplishing SOMETHING or Tyreal (who knows more about such things) would not be so pleased that you defeated the three.

So maybe the abyss is outter space and Diablo has found some way of coming back in the meteor. Maybe he was stuck in space for 20 years drifting around, then saw a fluke meteor heading towards Santuary and seized the opportunity to pour his soul into the meteor.

I haven't read the speculation about Tyreal being the meteor. That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. Why would Tyreal hit the cathedral in tristram and why would the after-effect be evil monsters stirring and killing off the town? The meteor is what starts up the vicious evil in Tristram. It's most likely Diablo in the meteor chosing to steer the meteor towards Tristram because there is a nice source of bodies and crypts down there to hide in, not to mention a passageway to hell itself (from d1).

Note the resemblance to the d2 intro story: the wonderer in the pub begins losing his griphold over his self, and as diablo starts to partly emerge trying to take over, a bunch of evil stirs up--monsters jump out of the fire, skellies are conjured up from nowhere, evil spirits start flying around (one pops throught the chest of the little sever). It is Diablo's partial presence causing this. This same sort of occurance is happening in d3 at Tristram and surrounding areas; evil is congregating to what I presume must be Diablo himself.

The meteor is physical, and the cathedral is the physical passageway to hell where Diablo can regain his griphold.

Note: in Superman 3, the 3 supervillians are trapped in a mirror sort of 2-dimensional square which is tumbling around endlessley in space much to their turmoil. It is their punishment for their crimes on Kripton. But the plane smashes and they are released. I think Diablo was bannished to a similar fate after being sent to the abyss, except there is no plane mirror trapping him in. He is just a spirit form trapped in the endless void of space for eternity. Well, not anymore.


Nice , One of the best theories so far :thumbup:

And maby Diablo , Mephisto or baal or who ever ''is'' the meteor is trying or is actualy summoning more deamons in Tristram from the portal :\