Barbarian Name Change

[wilbert]

I'd like if Barbarian's changed to Warrior. I believe Barbarian's should continue to be an important part of Diablo's lore,but the warrior really defines a fighting/weapon class of character. One thing they could do is change a few skills and take off whirlwind or something...I don't know....maybe the warrior learned from the barbarians.

Ok....maybe the post is dumb but I'm just getting off my chest about what I think and what my input is on Diablo 3. WitchDoctor=creative Wizard=creative

I want a more civilized fighter/weapon master.A fighter should not have to be barbaric.

"Hey did you see that barb kill that monster?"

I don't want to leave it the same and get another fighter class/holy person.I

want the barbarian renamed Warrior and also to have another fighter class/holy

person. Like Knight or something...Warrior should replace Barbarian,it's not to

generic The Warrior came from Khanduras, and has "only a minimal magic knowledge

"http://www.diii.net/gallery/data/559/medium/Warrior.jpg[WIKI][WIKI]

:scratchchin::nod::coffee:

[Apocalypse]

i gotta tell ya, all these "lets rename....." threads are getting old. bliz obviously had envisioned the barb for a reason so why cant people just enjoy what they are puting out there for us? would a warrior be cool? sure if he had the right skills and back ground story and so forth. will the barb be cool? i dont see why not assuming again he has fun skills and a good background story.

i will somewhat agree that the barb should not have been in the game but thats only cause i expected 5 new classes, if i do not get 5 new(i wont) i am fine with that so long as the barb has a reason to return. it has been said that this barb is the barb from D2, well what about the female barb? why is she there? i really hope they give us 10 different back ground stories

[GoldenBird]

Sure, you could rename the barb, except a bunch of people would be going "the warrior is exactly the same as the barb in D2 but with a different model/name!!!!!!". I mean, they already did this to wizard and somewhat to witch doctor, atleast with barb they just admitted outright that it's the same thing.

And plus, they already used a warrior in D1, so another reason for people to complain about using a "warrior" again. And really, a warrior is just going to seem as goody-good as a paladin/knight.

[Raging_Zealot]

I have never read the books, so I could be missing important pieces lore wise, but in the actual game I never really got the impression that Barbarians were really "barbaric" in the typical sense of the word as we view it today. They are described as living in tribes on the fringes of civilization, but not necessarily as crude or stupid. It seems to me that people have kind of given the Barbarian that themselves, rather than Blizzard really inventing him that way. The Barbarian's in game speech (Diablo II) even sounds well educated "I shall meet death head on" being the example that comes to my mind first. I just figured I'd throw that out there since you say a warrior doesn't have to be barbaric, I really don't think the original Barbarian character is all that barbaric* if you go off of just what Blizzard gives us, but we have the connotation of the word from the Germanic barbarian tribes invading Rome etc., and a lot of fan fiction etc. has Barbarians using broken grammar and simple sentences, but that doesn't mean the Barbarian Blizzard has created in Sanctuary is necessarily like that.

Either way, it seems that the Dev team were trying to go with some continuity between Diablo II and III, hence the Barbarian is older as if it is the same character people could play in Diablo II. Changing the name to the Warrior doesn't really accomplish that in the same way, which means key elements of the game most likely make the change unlikely. Plus, I think it is just semantics anyway with the name Warrior verses Barbarian. The Barbarian is a specific type of Warrior hailing from a certain place, I can see if you want a different type of one (With closer to Paladin skillset) but that is a personal opinion that isn't necessarily shared by everyone, plus there could very well be a character revealed that has a skill set more appealing to you (holy fighter class).

One last thing, I never saw the Warriors in the original Diablo as being Holy per se (and I don't believe the lore said much besides that they were soldiers from an army that had recently finished campaigning, which doesn't have any holy-warrior type linkage either), so even going by previous title's Diablo history, the Warrior could just as easily evolve into a Barbarian type fighter as a holy knight type fighter.

*barbaric in the sense of crude or uneducated, which is the way I believe you are using it in your original post. Obviously a Barbarian's name does somewhat imply him as Barbaric, but again, this is Sanctuary, not Earth.

EDIT: One more thing is that I guess with the way Diablo is setup, I just consider Barbarian (In the Diablo II world) to basically be a race of people, and any individual will have it's own personality, where as it seems some people are classifying any warrior or person who is crude, brutish, warlike, as a Barbarian.

[happysmacks]

EDIT: One more thing is that I guess with the way Diablo is setup, I just consider Barbarian (In the Diablo II world) to basically be a race of people, and any individual will have it's own personality, where as it seems some people are classifying any warrior or person who is crude, brutish, warlike, as a Barbarian.

yeah exactly... Barbarian is just the name of the race... for example a Wizard is just the name but he can be a Summoner, Plague caster, illusionist and other kinds of things i guess.

A barb is really a warrior as soon as he picks up a weapon i guess? i think Qual-Kehk in act5 always calls you a warrior anyway?

and Barbarian sounds meaty man! you instantly think of a stupidy overly powerful angry hulk... warrior is kinda softer sounding! :scratchchin:

[zero]

are you crazy??? the barb is perfect!!!

[Creuzebek]

i gotta tell ya, all these "lets rename....." threads are getting old. bliz obviously had envisioned the barb for a reason so why cant people just enjoy what they are puting out there for us? would a warrior be cool? sure if he had the right skills and back ground story and so forth. will the barb be cool? i dont see why not assuming again he has fun skills and a good background story.

i will somewhat agree that the barb should not have been in the game but thats only cause i expected 5 new classes, if i do not get 5 new(i wont) i am fine with that so long as the barb has a reason to return. it has been said that this barb is the barb from D2, well what about the female barb? why is she there? i really hope they give us 10 different back ground stories


Man I agree 100% with you. I'm also getting tired of those rename threads.

Stop crying people. In the end you all will be playing D3 all the night and doing the same runs you do in D2. Let's be realists.

[superjayson]

sounds like a bad idea or something... i dont know...maybe the name barbarian should stay. they played an important role in the d2 story line dude.

[Apocalypse]

Man I agree 100% with you. I'm also getting tired of those rename threads.

Stop crying people. In the end you all will be playing D3 all the night and doing the same runs you do in D2. Let's be realists.

exactly. they could go and call him sissy pants mcgee and i would still use the char

[FreezBee]

and Barbarian sounds meaty man! you instantly think of a stupidy overly powerful angry hulk... warrior is kinda softer sounding! :scratchchin:

Yes, just compare "Conan the Barbarian" to "Conan the Warrior".

- FreezBee

[Friedrich Halbarenz]

but the warrior really defines a fighting/weapon class of character.

Please explain how 'warrior' defines a melee-type class better than barbarian. For me the word barbarian immediately conjures up a very specific mental image I can identify with; a gigantic, hulking fighter, almost a primal force of nature that can enter a near-berserker rage in battle. Warrior is probably the most generic term you could have for a melee fighter.

Typing this, I realize that Wizard is also a pretty generic term, but I think blizzard did the best they could and I think their reasoning for the name wizard as a wild, undisciplined mage, and sorceror/ess as a wiser, controlled mage is plausible enough.

I want a more civilized fighter/weapon master.A fighter should not have to be barbaric.

But they aren't barbaric, the D2 manual makes that very clear. They're only called barbarians because the "civilized" people they interact with don't really understand them, also people often tried to invade Mt. Arreat and so many of the interactions between the civilized people and the barbarians are hostile in nature. Just because they live in the wild and reject the trappings of civilization does not make them savages.

also to have another fighter class/holy

person. Like Knight or something

We really don't need the generic name thing extending any farther than wizard.

Again, it's that very specific mental image thing, someone talks about how that barbarian massacred all those demons, I can form an instant mental picture.

Blizzard wants to create those instantly recognizable archetypes. I'm sorry but none of the characters will really belong to us; no character customization, for example. They're all "actual" people with their own backstory and their own agendas and motivations.

The barbarian is the exact same guy from D2 who defeated Diablo, and is coming back to put him down for good. The witch doctor is a specific person who has emerged from the jungles for some unfathomable reason to combat the Prime Evils. The Wizard is again a specific person, young and arrogant, who desires more powerful magic so he/she can be the greatest mage in the world, and what better way to test your power than to fight the minions of Hell?

[Starving_Poet]

I think it's time to get into the discourse of Symbology :-p

[Apocalypse]

Yes, just compare "Conan the Barbarian" to "Conan the Warrior".

- FreezBee

Conan the Destroyer owns them both

[Starving_Poet]

Conan the Devourer of Souls and Defiler of Buxom Women is much better.

[FreezBee]

Quite true, but a bit long of a character class name to be, methinks

[Apocalypse]

maybe a bit long but clearly the best name so it gets my vote, where is this petition to sign?

[Flux]

Sure, you could rename the barb, except a bunch of people would be going "the warrior is exactly the same as the barb in D2 but with a different model/name!!!!!!". I mean, they already did this to wizard and somewhat to witch doctor, atleast with barb they just admitted outright that it's the same thing.

Jay Wilson has actually said much the same thing. They initially weren't calling the character a "barbarian" but as they developed him the skills and theme were overlapping somewhat, so they decided they might as well just call him the barb and craft a lore to match, or else fans would all just complain that he was the same thing with a different name.

Jay has declined to share what the original name was, since he said they might use it for something else, eventually.

[Rash]

I think people should now really stop moaning about the names. Will Blizzard now have to change every name of the classes they release?
I think all three classes are well put so far. Yes wizard might be the most generic of them, but reading the suggestions of other posters here in the forum, iam glad they called him wizard.

[chenghao]

they should change barb to tank , wizard to mage , witch doctor to necro , whatever later class to missle and the last class to healer :scratchchin:

[Apocalypse]

they should change barb to tank , wizard to mage , witch doctor to necro , whatever later class to missle and the last class to healer :scratchchin:

go with summoner over necro and you got it

[Jcakes]

I agree with everyone that says the name change threads are getting a bit stupid.
I think this barb name change thread makes the least sense, as he is supposed to be the same barb we played in D2 (unless you want bliz to change the storyline for D3 as well).

[happysmacks]

Conan the Destroyer owns them both

thought of an even better one...

Conan the Face Beaker! :jig:

sounds pretty horrible though :hang:

[Throndhart]

Barbarian rules. End of story.