I played D2 only for the PvP

[nikkisexx]

Hey guys, brief intro here. Im a 21yr old guy who started my D2 addiction somewhere during 2001. I know I have zero post counts to boot, but rest assured Im not trolling. I consider myself quite a competitive gamer and I just wan u guys to see things from my point of view.

So heres a summary of my story:

1. Started off with singleplayer. Fun for afew weeks then it got repetitive eventually. Managed to get to act 2 nightmare with no outside help

2. Started Bnet a year later when I got my internet. The fun part of the game was trying to find better items. Heart never fail to skip a beat when a golden item drops.

3. Within 6 months of hardcore gaming, and help from my friends I became pretty rich(windforce, vamp gaze etc.). The fun of killing monsters with other players started to detoriate. By this point of time, my lvl80+ amazon can solo ANY monsters in hell(baal and frens, cow lvl etc.). I dont see the challenge in PvM anymore so I started to dwell into PvP.

4. I did reasonably well in PvP, able to beat 70% of the pub people but theres still better players out there. Continued to trade, MFing more so that I can get better gears so I that I can beat the other players. Rinse and repeat until a year later when my account got hacked(long story).

Conclusion: Its not much of a challenge to be able to clear the game PvM. But its an endless experimentation with builds, skill points, items , tactics to kill the very best PvPers.

Its a publicly known fact that most competent PvP builds will have little trouble clearing PvM. However, a regular PvM char will have a hard time going against a char built solely for dueling.

I figure that PvM will be more appealing to the casual player, but the competitive players will get bored of PvM eventually and want to pit against real life opponents instead of AIs.

Solution: If blizz really wanna make PvM more fun/challenging they need to make the minions stronger. Stronger to the point where u need the combined efforts of all the players in the game to beat the monsters.

Its not that fun when my D2 PvP chars at their peak(take for eg. barb with enigma, botd berserker, dual leech rings) can solo hell with 7 players in the game(the more players in the game, the tougher the minions).

But STILL, taking PvP away from D3 can only be a big turnoff for players who wans a competitive edge in their game. We didnt do MF 24/7 to find top end gears so that we can slay minions which can be beaten with mediocre gears.

[chenghao]

:thumbup:

Long story short : played PvM , both cooperatively and soloed , eventually i tried to go for level 99 in season 3 us west , after reaching 99 for barb (1st on us west in season 3 = absolut_pudge ), the only thing that kept me in the game is builds for PVP , both those with/without level restrictions , with/no twink duels.
i still remember the barb duels being called king of kings etc.

i have to agree with thread starter (OP).

Taking away PvP might add to the theme of cooperative play , but it denies a population that flourished on the excitement and availability of agreed duels

[snurrfint]

Who said they will take away PvP? I think PvP will be even bigger in Diablo 3.

[nikkisexx]

Who said they will take away PvP? I think PvP will be even bigger in Diablo 3.

According to an interview by one of the blizz staff, D3 will be more focused on PvM than on PvP. I doubt they would take away PvP(dueling), but theres a chance they might take away PKing and be less focused on making PvP more balanced.

I just hope that one of the blizz staff will read this and be aware that there IS a large PvP community, and by taking the focus off PvP in D3 will result in the loss of interest for D3 for those in the community.

Granted dueling and PKing are 2 different things, I still hope that PKing will stay. It adds a 'human factor' into the game and an element of surprise imo.

On a side note, I hope they dont restrict the game to anything less than 8 players. Im sure there are people who'd agree with me.

[NioTumsSpik]

I for one couldent care less for pvp in D3.
If i wanted to pvp i play a fps, rts or an mmo.

Diablo has always been about slashing monsters

[nikkisexx]

I for one couldent care less for pvp in D3.
If i wanted to pvp i play a fps, rts or an mmo.

Diablo has always been about slashing monsters

I don't deny that Diablo has always been about slashing monsters, but you can only slash AI-controlled pixels for so long before it gets boring. And what better ways to pit your hard-earned items and carefully thought out char builds against other players? duel

While its true that Diablo is an action/rpg game and theres fps and rts for the competitive players. But there is this certain sense of accomplishment and satisfaction when you use your own custom built character to duel and win against other players. And that is something rts, fps or versus can never offer.

[snurrfint]

According to an interview by one of the blizz staff, D3 will be more focused on PvM than on PvP. I doubt they would take away PvP(dueling), but theres a chance they might take away PKing and be less focused on making PvP more balanced.

I just hope that one of the blizz staff will read this and be aware that there IS a large PvP community, and by taking the focus off PvP in D3 will result in the loss of interest for D3 for those in the community.

Granted dueling and PKing are 2 different things, I still hope that PKing will stay. It adds a 'human factor' into the game and an element of surprise imo.

PKing was the worst thing in D2. Whats fun about ruin others gaming-exprerience? PvP is when 2 people duel each other and both players are okey with it. The other thing is called ganking.

And the only PvP D2 provided was a messed up way to duel each other, so i'll guess you'll be fine.

[Uncle_Mike]

I consider D2 a predominantly PvM game, i suppose D3 will be the same. That doesn't mean that they aren't going to include opportunities to duel though.

PvP in D2, despite many flaws, is quite amazing and there is some truth to the fact that it keeps the game alive. For some people it's an element of natural evolution, they PvM, gather gear and trade, and start to duel.

[Wurmer]

PvP in D2, despite many flaws, is quite amazing and there is some truth to the fact that it keeps the game alive. For some people it's an element of natural evolution, they PvM, gather gear and trade, and start to duel.

I could not agree more. I have pretty much followed the path the OP has taken himself till I stopped playing the game. I think it would be a big mistake to take out the PvP aspect of the game even if the main focus of the game should remain PvM. If you don't like PvP you're not forced to take that route but for many people this represents a challenge and of path they are willing to take and it adds a dimension to the game.

[Grug]

You're in luck, Nikkisexx. The monsters in D3 are a lot tougher now, and the fights are longer and more involved. Obviously, Blizz is not going to get rid of PvP, although yes, the focus is on PvE. PK is gone forever, though. Blizzard is limiting party sizes so that everyone in the game is playing With you instead of just near you. Also, they've said that when they played with 8-man parties, it wasn't any fun because the screen was flooded with spell effects and you couldn't tell what was going on. Plus, like I said, the group wouldn't stay together.

I hypothesize that for Bnet, a person can make their game PvP enabled or PvP disabled. The ones marked for PvP will be meant for dueling, etc.

I don't care who you are, PKs are not fun. In games like WoW, PKs make the game feel like a living world. But in an instance based game like Diablo it's just someone coming in to ruin your fun.

[Everett]

Can someone list some of the flaws that they are talking about with D2 PvP? I'm not sure what you mean.

[nikkisexx]

Damn, that means theres no 7(low lvls) VS 1(high lvl) or 4v4 dueling outside of act1 town in D3. Im not sure about you guys, I rather the gamemakers tone down on the flashy effects and add 4 more player inside. Its much more epic that way.

On a 2nd thought, why not they just take away PK in hardcore? I can imagine the grief when your lvl50 HC char gets killed by your lvl80 'team mate'. But I hav been mainly playin SC, and the PK were aways fun. You get killed, then u get reinforcements from your friend through whisper.

[korialstraz]

Can someone list some of the flaws that they are talking about with D2 PvP? I'm not sure what you mean.

Hammerdin getting dmg from conc, bugged skills, absorb system just to mention a couple. Also there is the hacks element. Some may say desynch is a flaw, but AFAIK it is not so much a game flaw than it is delay in sending packets to and from the Blizz servers.

Damn, that means theres no 7(low lvls)

Ohh yea! Lowhosting is SO much fun :coffee:

[Kiroptus]

PK is already out of D3. Good riddance.

[Munchie]

Diablo 2 PvP is like an fps. You click fast and precisely to win. Would be amazing if it wasn't for all the hacks people use these days. And everyone being a sorceress via enigma. Before 1.10 the PvP was perfect and kept me playing for years.

It seems to me that D3 is headed down the World of Warcraft route. A very linear, casual friendly, group play ("raiding") sort of game. It makes me sad. :(

[rCt Arbitur]

I play D2 for the PvP only, the only reason i MF or even play the game is to (hopefully) afford a good dueler, the thrill of owning someone is awesome. If theres not much PvP in D3 im not buying it and ill stick to D2, end of story :P
Oh, and one more thing..if theres a enigma or teleport item for other classes than sorceress in D3 im gonna go berserk on blizzard.

[Knight_Wolf]

Diablo 2 PvP is like an fps.

But Diablo isn't an FPS .. that's why this type of open PVP doesn't fit with Diablo.

It seems to me that D3 is headed down the World of Warcraft route. A very linear, casual friendly, group play ("raiding") sort of game. It makes me sad. :(

The devs already stated that they will focus on Co-op more for a better overall experience (regardless of that having to do anything with WoW) .... that doesn't mean there won't be good PvP options ... we don't know anything about PvP in D3 yet .. and i think you can't read the future either XD

Can someone list some of the flaws that they are talking about with D2 PvP? I'm not sure what you mean.

They are too many to list .. i'm sure the people around here can point some of them to you XD

why not they just take away PK in hardcore?

Why solve the problem partially .. why leave an exploitable system in the game knowing very well the idiots and hackers will abuse it ... PK is gone for good ... no hard feeling but it is where it deserves to be .. dead and buried 6 feet under the ground. :crazyeyes:

[Dimmu]

The only thing that turns people off to D2 pvp is the learning/wealth/knowledge curve assosiated with even making a character, also the hacking and duping, but that's a given.

I played D2 for nothing but pvp for many years and ended up among the top ranking players, but it took a LONG time to get to that point. But honestly, that's the nature of pvp in any game, it's an end-game dynamic. The problem is that the game is so old that people who havn't been pvping for years obviously don't stand a chance against people who micromanage every stat point of every character and have single small charms that are worth ten times the casual player's account. Not to mention the fact that the pvp pros know exactly what to do when playing against any given character build.

Now, granted the pvp won't be the same as D2 and not every character will teleport so it'll be more slow-paced and a totally different experience. But after that fresh "new game" smell clears, you're still going to have particuliar builds and people that will dominate the pvp scene once we figure out what we're doing.

Like it or not, pvp is a "long way to the top" type of situation. It's just a matter of whether or not the way pvp will work holds your interest long enough to get to that point.

[Akse]

Pvp was only fun before lod..

[Dimmu]

Pvp was only fun before lod..

Yeah....back when you had two character options. Sorceress, or barbarian.
No thanks.

[Akse]

Yeah....back when you had two character options. Sorceress, or barbarian.
No thanks.

What u mean 2? .. necs were tough with the huge radius of decrepify.. amas were good. Even hammerdins could beat up some barbs..

Anyways in general, it was more about the player than what items he had.

[mephiztophelez]

Diablo has always been about slashing monsters

and slashing monsters gets rather boring the thousandth time you slaughter Meph or run Baal.

at which point, slashing other players starts to look interesting.

[Killafornia]

I miss 1.09. I remember going into pub duels wit my ITH 915, b valor, b ss, and b shako had 2 sets of each one with kings jewels and one with havok jewels plus an inventory full of those beryl charms. I had like 90 k life with level 60 bo.

And the only thing people could do was call me an ebaynub as I slayed them all until the whole room rage quit.

[teh_Thrasher]

seriously theres only so much pvm u can take before ur like uh lets go kill some people... will i actually have to go log onto a different game just to PvP? that would be quite disappointing.

there was nothing wrong with the PKers in d2... only tppk. which is a hack. everyone that complains about it is just a big cuddly nub. "lets all group up and hold hands as we slay some demons that dont even have a chance". YAWN.

[Knight_Wolf]

seriously theres only so much pvm u can take before ur like uh lets go kill some people... will i actually have to go log onto a different game just to PvP? that would be quite disappointing.

there was nothing wrong with the PKers in d2... only tppk. which is a hack. everyone that complains about it is just a big cuddly nub. "lets all group up and hold hands as we slay some demons that dont even have a chance". YAWN.

That's hilarious really, as long as there will be PKing there will be TPPK ... it's sad you can't realize that :wave:

I'd rather say "let's have a duel on COMPETITIVE TERMS like REAL MEN"

[Dusk]

The glory of pk(and pvp)was lost a long time ago with diablo1... ah good days of friendly fire..... i dont understand all thous ppl who still cry about d2 softcore pk'rs..u dont loose ure gear... and u get ureself respawned in seconds..

Granted dueling and PKing are 2 different things, I still hope that PKing will stay. It adds a 'human factor' into the game and an element of surprise imo.

seriously theres only so much pvm u can take before ur like uh lets go kill some people... will i actually have to go log onto a different game just to PvP? that would be quite disappointing.

there was nothing wrong with the PKers in d2... only tppk. which is a hack. everyone that complains about it is just a big cuddly nub. "lets all group up and hold hands as we slay some demons that dont even have a chance". YAWN.
+A +100%:thumbup:
The words of the Righteous....

[Killafornia]

I was upset about them removing PK too a tfirst, but then I realized I never went into a game with the intent of slaying people who are trying to have fun. It really was for grievers, personally the only time I PK'd was when when someone started talking *** during a baal run.

[Dusk]

Niether do i awake in the morning an think to myself "hmm, lets pk some noobs today..",
but the option to do so makes the game more interesting.

[Knight_Wolf]

I was upset about them removing PK too a tfirst, but then I realized I never went into a game with the intent of slaying people who are trying to have fun. It really was for grievers, personally the only time I PK'd was when when someone started talking *** during a baal run.


Good thinking, i guess a "mute player" option is what you need in D3 .. i think everyone could use that to mute annoying brats XD

[ginNtonic]

A lot could be improved upon to make Diablo a better pvp game.

To be honest I tihnk d2 is an awful pvp choice. Boom boom dead. I'd rather play counter-strike. Hopefully it gets slowed down just a tad.

[Galabab]

To be honest I tihnk d2 is an awful pvp choice. Boom boom dead. I'd rather play counter-strike.

Diablo is a superb PvP game. Who said PvP has to be like an fps?
PvP in diablo focuses on strategy in character building. Looking through all those tables and lists to find that spell/skill you need. Level up to get it and MF many hours to some day hold an allmighty "Grief".

And finally the day of great delight.
You ask people in throne for tp. "tp plz"
But they dont respond cuz they are just two assholes who wanted to get people in but stay in 2-men-party to get more exp.
So you get your enigma grief barb. Tele to them like superman. Look at this! They are popping up a tp! Too late, suckers! Leap, teleport, ww.
Two mofos down with a single ww.
screenshot.

All thanks to superior effort in strategic planning of the build and effort in gathering the pieces.

If d3 doesnt have PvP or have it limited to pussy like agreed-upon-duels. Im not gonna buy it. Im just gonna download it in torrent and play for free in single player for a weak. And than switch to better single player games like DEVIL MAY CRY!.

[Knight_Wolf]

Diablo is a superb PvP game. Who said PvP has to be like an fps?

You did down there :crazyeyes:


PvP in diablo focuses on strategy in character building. Looking through all those tables and lists to find that spell/skill you need. Level up to get it and MF many hours to some day hold an allmighty "Grief".

Which anyone could do by using online guides and even bots in D2 .. not an ounce of skill is involved.

And finally the day of great delight.
You ask people in throne for tp. "tp plz"
But they dont respond cuz they are just two assholes who wanted to get people in but stay in 2-men-party to get more exp.

Then leave the freaking game or kick them out if it is yours ... seriously .. they are assholes cause they want to play the way THEY WANT without grieving and annoying anyone .. shame oin them .... but wait a sec ... i wonder what that makes you then .. i don't want to think of it.

So you get your enigma grief barb. Tele to them like superman. Look at this! They are popping up a tp! Too late, suckers! Leap, teleport, ww.
Two mofos down with a single ww.
screenshot.

Typical E-peen syndrome :coffee:

All thanks to superior effort in strategic planning of the build and effort in gathering the pieces.

Correction .. All thanks to online guides, exploitable gameplay features (like Pking, manual stats, .. etc etc) and bots.

If d3 doesnt have PvP or have it limited to pussy like agreed-upon-duels. Im not gonna buy it. Im just gonna download it in torrent and play for free in single player for a weak. And than switch to better single player games like DEVIL MAY CRY!.

Agreed upon battles are not pussy .. your behavior is .. it is competitive and honorable cause both sides fight on equal terms and by their own choice.

And nobody cares if you don't buy D3 ... lots of other people will do .. and actually more people will buy D3 if you don't since there will be less people with e-peen syndrome and L337 behavior around D3 online.

Ahm .. and what does Devil May Cray has to do with anything in this discussion .... not only did you claim that it's single player is better than D3's (wow you got magical future seeing powers ... so L337 ... ahm .. even worse ... you also said you will pirate D3 (and probably DMC too) ... sounds like a true fan indeed .. D3 online will be a better place without you around XD

[Killafornia]

Ahm .. and what does Devil May Cray has to do with anything in this discussion .... not only did you claim that it's single player is better than D3's (wow you got magical future seeing powers ... so L337 ... ahm .. even worse ... you also said you will pirate D3 (and probably DMC too) ... sounds like a true fan indeed .. D3 online will be a better place without you around XD

Well that's one thing we can agree on for d3. :highfive:

[Knight_Wolf]

Well that's one thing we can agree on for d3. :highfive:

Sure thing :yes:

[Galabab]

well, if everyone in d3 is as boring as you 2 i'll gladly pass.
Except for they give me a chance to PK you :D
Cuz I agree if there IS pk system then d3 will defintly be a better place for you two WITHOUT ME.

Will it make you upset when you get PKed? Will your feelings be hurt?
Haha :D

ps:
have no idea what e-peen is.
and since when can i kick people out of a game?

[Grug]

Dude, if your enjoyment of Diablo depeneds solely on making other people feel like crap, then you don't belong in Diablo.

E-peen syndrome is when you ruin people's day on the internet because it makes you feel important. E-peen stands for Electronic Penis Enlargement. Your penis is small, so you think if you can pwn noobs, you're more of a man.

[Dusk]

From what i understand a lot of ppl here have a PK trauma... :p

[Knight_Wolf]

From what i understand a lot of ppl here have a PK trauma... :p

Not at all, more like a lot of L337's around here have E-peen problems.

Do you think i will avoid duels, no way, i will seek them .. but when i want to (and surely will bump into others seeking duels easily) ... not when some idiot wants to force me to fight him when HE wants to cause it makes him feel important.

As long as Pking stays Diablo online will be infested with Player Killers and hackers exploiting that system (FACT .. whenever you give people full control of something they screw it up) ... only reasonable solution is to cut that supply of exploits to clean thing up a bit.

[Galabab]

Oh please WOlf..
Are you acusing people who like to PK of being some kind of geeks who want to compensate for their misirable lives?
Its a very narrow way to see things dude.
While its true that i like the idea of some geek kid on the internet getting his day ruined cuz i PKed him, at the same time i myself hardly care about losses in game-world.
Your the one using all that gamers jargon, e-peen, l337...
Your the one who so critisezes PKing. If you are that kind of player who just loves to socialize with other players instead of PKing them than it is you who fits most in the no-life stereotype of a geek who doesnt have real friends and has to compensate with internet games.

But wait before you send me fotos of your friends :D
I just brought that up to stop you from connecting PKing to that weird and childish idea of e-peen and l337ness. The opposing stereotype is just as valnurable so lets not drift off in the senseless field of profanity.

[Uncle_Mike]

This thread really serves no purpose anymore and has gone way off topic :)

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